(11-05-2012 10:47 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:43 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 09:23 AM)mj4life Wrote:  .....but in return they get to sell playing 2 TRUE BLUEBLOOD programs of college basketball & not some wana be programs who most people have never heard of & the ACC tournament is a good as any & unlike the BET it sells out anywhere it goes period

Yeah...Big East Tournament at MSG never sells out.

of course it sells out at MSG, but if you took the time to read i said the ACC tournament sells out every where it goes whether that be in DC, ATL or Greensboro. so if stating a fact is trolling in your mind so be it

The old banana in the tailpipe trick...

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(11-05-2012 10:35 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:27 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:19 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:00 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 09:23 AM)mj4life Wrote:  i see holes in your theory period, remember syracuse games will be televised in NYC which is just as important & might be more important than playing games in the Big Apple. now the loss of playing in the Big East Tournament hurts but we don't know that the tournament will be what it was without the Orange.but in return they get to sell playing 2 TRUE BLUEBLOOD programs of college basketball & not some wana be programs who most people have never heard of & the ACC tournament is a good as any & unlike the BET it sells out anywhere it goes period

DUDE it's 2012 in the NYC metro we get to watch every team on tv/internet...but what we don't get is the ability for our families & friends to drive or catch the Path or Subway to watch these teams play live and develop rooting interests that span generations. Or to have polite discourse (yeah right) with fans from opposing teams at the games. That's what built the Big East foundation, tv just expanded that foundation, but i don't think it's not enough by itself.

Shouting R-Uuuuu at the tv is just not the same...trust me i've done it on a few occasions.

i understand the value of actually going to games but you are presenting it like Syracuse is moving it's entire campus south or something. i 'm not saying the move won't have some negative impact on their program . i'm sure they thought this over before deciding to move in the first place. my other point is the Big East is losing the Orange's audience, they no longer have a vested interest in watching Big East games unless it just a game they want to watch period. even with the best conference from top to bottom the Big East still ranked 5th in average tv viewership & well over 200,000 viewers less than the ACC

That is a true point that can not be belittled. The perspective I'm trying to add is that there are other programs waiting in the wings to fill that void. Cuse did this to SJU over the last 15 years or so. You may not know but the original rivalry that put the BE on the map was b/n The Hoyas & St. John's. The Towel vs. The Sweater. Cuse took the NYC mantle from SJU as their program rose and SJU declined. If this could happen to a team (SJU) that is still in the BE and plays it's home games at MSG why can't happen to Cuse? Pitt tried to do the same thing during this time and did a decent job of it via recruiting & marketing but not nearly as successful. The A-10 is just signifying they want to step up their push in this battle instead of remaining mostly a non-factor in the NYC metro.

i remember those days like it was yesterday, but i also remember that syracuse has been good since the early 70's, long before the big east was even a conference

Here we go again, this is inaccurate. Yes Cuse made the Final four in '74 and Jimmy B took over in '76. Thats 2 years before the Big East. In that time frame he is responsible for 880 of the Oranges 1800 wins. So Jimmy brought the Orange into the top ten all time wins, he made them the household name they are (in their own minds). Were they a good program? Sure. A Great one? No.

(11-05-2012 10:47 AM)mj4life Wrote:  of course it sells out at MSG, but if you took the time to read i said the ACC tournament sells out every where it goes whether that be in DC, ATL or Greensboro. so if stating a fact is trolling in your mind so be it

Are you sure about that? Once again just spouting BS.

http://ctsmithiii.wordpress.com/2011/01/...t-is-dead/

http://www.roanoke.com/sports/college/wb/304776

http://acc.blogs.starnewsonline.com/2846...available/

Like the previous poster said. Obvious troll is obvious.

Oh and you said "Unlike the BE tournament the ACC sells out wherever it goes." Then you said "Of course the Big East sells out MSG." Well which is it? Does the Big East sell out or not? If you knew anything you would know they ONLY play at MSG and have since like 1980.

(11-05-2012 11:50 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:35 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:27 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:19 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:00 AM)TheRock Wrote:   DUDE it's 2012 in the NYC metro we get to watch every team on tv/internet...but what we don't get is the ability for our families & friends to drive or catch the Path or Subway to watch these teams play live and develop rooting interests that span generations. Or to have polite discourse (yeah right) with fans from opposing teams at the games. That's what built the Big East foundation, tv just expanded that foundation, but i don't think it's not enough by itself.

Shouting R-Uuuuu at the tv is just not the same...trust me i've done it on a few occasions.

i understand the value of actually going to games but you are presenting it like Syracuse is moving it's entire campus south or something. i 'm not saying the move won't have some negative impact on their program . i'm sure they thought this over before deciding to move in the first place. my other point is the Big East is losing the Orange's audience, they no longer have a vested interest in watching Big East games unless it just a game they want to watch period. even with the best conference from top to bottom the Big East still ranked 5th in average tv viewership & well over 200,000 viewers less than the ACC

That is a true point that can not be belittled. The perspective I'm trying to add is that there are other programs waiting in the wings to fill that void. Cuse did this to SJU over the last 15 years or so. You may not know but the original rivalry that put the BE on the map was b/n The Hoyas & St. John's. The Towel vs. The Sweater. Cuse took the NYC mantle from SJU as their program rose and SJU declined. If this could happen to a team (SJU) that is still in the BE and plays it's home games at MSG why can't happen to Cuse? Pitt tried to do the same thing during this time and did a decent job of it via recruiting & marketing but not nearly as successful. The A-10 is just signifying they want to step up their push in this battle instead of remaining mostly a non-factor in the NYC metro.

i remember those days like it was yesterday, but i also remember that syracuse has been good since the early 70's, long before the big east was even a conference

Here we go again, this is inaccurate. Yes Cuse made the Final four in '74 and Jimmy B took over in '76. Thats 2 years before the Big East. In that time frame he is responsible for 880 of the Oranges 1800 wins. So Jimmy brought the Orange into the top ten all time wins, he made them the household name they are (in their own minds). Were they a good program? Sure. A Great one? No.

so a record of 201-57 from 1970-1980 with 2 nit apperances(when the nit was relevant) & 7 NCAA apperances(1 final four) doesn't qualify as having a GOOD Team in your book?

(11-05-2012 10:43 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 09:23 AM)mj4life Wrote:  .....but in return they get to sell playing 2 TRUE BLUEBLOOD programs of college basketball & not some wana be programs who most people have never heard of & the ACC tournament is a good as any & unlike the BET it sells out anywhere it goes period

Yeah...Big East Tournament at MSG never sells out.

no doubt...wtf??? Big East Tourney always sells out. It's THE college basketball conference tourney...the ACC can't touch it. period

(11-05-2012 12:09 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 11:50 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:35 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:27 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:19 AM)mj4life Wrote:  i understand the value of actually going to games but you are presenting it like Syracuse is moving it's entire campus south or something. i 'm not saying the move won't have some negative impact on their program . i'm sure they thought this over before deciding to move in the first place. my other point is the Big East is losing the Orange's audience, they no longer have a vested interest in watching Big East games unless it just a game they want to watch period. even with the best conference from top to bottom the Big East still ranked 5th in average tv viewership & well over 200,000 viewers less than the ACC

That is a true point that can not be belittled. The perspective I'm trying to add is that there are other programs waiting in the wings to fill that void. Cuse did this to SJU over the last 15 years or so. You may not know but the original rivalry that put the BE on the map was b/n The Hoyas & St. John's. The Towel vs. The Sweater. Cuse took the NYC mantle from SJU as their program rose and SJU declined. If this could happen to a team (SJU) that is still in the BE and plays it's home games at MSG why can't happen to Cuse? Pitt tried to do the same thing during this time and did a decent job of it via recruiting & marketing but not nearly as successful. The A-10 is just signifying they want to step up their push in this battle instead of remaining mostly a non-factor in the NYC metro.

i remember those days like it was yesterday, but i also remember that syracuse has been good since the early 70's, long before the big east was even a conference

Here we go again, this is inaccurate. Yes Cuse made the Final four in '74 and Jimmy B took over in '76. Thats 2 years before the Big East. In that time frame he is responsible for 880 of the Oranges 1800 wins. So Jimmy brought the Orange into the top ten all time wins, he made them the household name they are (in their own minds). Were they a good program? Sure. A Great one? No.

so a record of 201-57 from 1970-1980 with 2 nit apperances(when the nit was relevant) & 7 NCAA apperances(1 final four) doesn't qualify as having a GOOD Team in your book?

hahaha I said they were good Obvious Troll. Also I love how you say that they were good LONG before the Big East was a conference then you use 3 seasons of the Orange in the Big East as your argument! hahaha

(11-05-2012 09:55 AM)mj4life Wrote:  probably won't draw the same, but it also goes both ways, the big east is losing Syracuse's fan base, are games between any of the teams above going to draw interest when they play UCF

Those VT / Miami roundball games don't draw flies. Then again neither do their football games. Supposedly 37,219 showed up, many dressed as empty seats, to watch the Canes play for first place. In a stadium that seats 76,100 that is less than half full for two of The ACC's most popular football programs.

Crow all you want about The ACC. The only thing that seperated The ACC from ridicule in the past was The Big East. Now that The Big East will be playing for a new 7th BCS Bowl, The ACC will be the target of media attacks.

Look no further than this weeks BCS standings. Lowly Louisville from The Big East jumped God's Gift to college fooball from the greatest conference ESPN ever put together, Florida State. That should open even the biggest ACC homers eyes, that visit here, that times are changing.

(11-05-2012 11:56 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:47 AM)mj4life Wrote:  of course it sells out at MSG, but if you took the time to read i said the ACC tournament sells out every where it goes whether that be in DC, ATL or Greensboro. so if stating a fact is trolling in your mind so be it

Are you sure about that? Once again just spouting BS.

http://ctsmithiii.wordpress.com/2011/01/...t-is-dead/

http://www.roanoke.com/sports/college/wb/304776

http://acc.blogs.starnewsonline.com/2846...available/

Like the previous poster said. Obvious troll is obvious.

Oh and you said "Unlike the BE tournament the ACC sells out wherever it goes." Then you said "Of course the Big East sells out MSG." Well which is it? Does the Big East sell out or not? If you knew anything you would know they ONLY play at MSG and have since like 1980.

dude i am well aware of the history the Big East & MSG share, & i respect that history.the Big East needs MSG to be what it is where the ACC can move around as it choices & still sell out. as far a tickets go the only ones available are first round tickets(last i checked MSG looks a half full on wednesday)

(11-05-2012 12:12 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 12:09 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 11:50 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:35 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:27 AM)TheRock Wrote:  That is a true point that can not be belittled. The perspective I'm trying to add is that there are other programs waiting in the wings to fill that void. Cuse did this to SJU over the last 15 years or so. You may not know but the original rivalry that put the BE on the map was b/n The Hoyas & St. John's. The Towel vs. The Sweater. Cuse took the NYC mantle from SJU as their program rose and SJU declined. If this could happen to a team (SJU) that is still in the BE and plays it's home games at MSG why can't happen to Cuse? Pitt tried to do the same thing during this time and did a decent job of it via recruiting & marketing but not nearly as successful. The A-10 is just signifying they want to step up their push in this battle instead of remaining mostly a non-factor in the NYC metro.

i remember those days like it was yesterday, but i also remember that syracuse has been good since the early 70's, long before the big east was even a conference

Here we go again, this is inaccurate. Yes Cuse made the Final four in '74 and Jimmy B took over in '76. Thats 2 years before the Big East. In that time frame he is responsible for 880 of the Oranges 1800 wins. So Jimmy brought the Orange into the top ten all time wins, he made them the household name they are (in their own minds). Were they a good program? Sure. A Great one? No.

so a record of 201-57 from 1970-1980 with 2 nit apperances(when the nit was relevant) & 7 NCAA apperances(1 final four) doesn't qualify as having a GOOD Team in your book?

hahaha I said they were good Obvious Troll. Also I love how you say that they were good LONG before the Big East was a conference then you use 3 seasons of the Orange in the Big East as your argument! hahaha

in fact you can go into the late 60's are syracuse had good teams with dave bing & company. so 7 to 10 years before the big east was formed they were good. the big east just helped them get to the next level

(11-05-2012 12:16 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 09:55 AM)mj4life Wrote:  probably won't draw the same, but it also goes both ways, the big east is losing Syracuse's fan base, are games between any of the teams above going to draw interest when they play UCF

Those VT / Miami roundball games don't draw flies. Then again neither do their football games. Supposedly 37,219 showed up, many dressed as empty seats, to watch the Canes play for first place. In a stadium that seats 76,100 that is less than half full for two of The ACC's most popular football programs.

Crow all you want about The ACC. The only thing that seperated The ACC from ridicule in the past was The Big East. Now that The Big East will be playing for a new 7th BCS Bowl, The ACC will be the target of media attacks.

Look no further than this weeks BCS standings. Lowly Louisville from The Big East jumped God's Gift to college fooball from the greatest conference ESPN ever put together, Florida State. That should open even the biggest ACC homers eyes, that visit here, that times are changing.

& has all that greatness got you a guranteed seat at the table? Would Louisville or any school in the Big East turn down a offer of membership? who cares what the media thinks as long as you can cash the checks

(11-05-2012 12:26 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 12:16 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 09:55 AM)mj4life Wrote:  probably won't draw the same, but it also goes both ways, the big east is losing Syracuse's fan base, are games between any of the teams above going to draw interest when they play UCF

Those VT / Miami roundball games don't draw flies. Then again neither do their football games. Supposedly 37,219 showed up, many dressed as empty seats, to watch the Canes play for first place. In a stadium that seats 76,100 that is less than half full for two of The ACC's most popular football programs.

Crow all you want about The ACC. The only thing that seperated The ACC from ridicule in the past was The Big East. Now that The Big East will be playing for a new 7th BCS Bowl, The ACC will be the target of media attacks.

Look no further than this weeks BCS standings. Lowly Louisville from The Big East jumped God's Gift to college fooball from the greatest conference ESPN ever put together, Florida State. That should open even the biggest ACC homers eyes, that visit here, that times are changing.

& has all that greatness got you a guranteed seat at the table? Would Louisville or any school in the Big East turn down a offer of membership? who cares what the media thinks as long as you can cash the checks

Apparently you care since you are here crowing about it. The reality is Louisville makes more money than ANYONE in your sh*tty conference. And no I don't want an invite to a conference where no one cares about football except 2 or 3 programs. Your conference is a fraud. WVU proved it last year. Whomever plays the ACC this year will prove it again.
CJ

(11-05-2012 12:26 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 12:16 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 09:55 AM)mj4life Wrote:  probably won't draw the same, but it also goes both ways, the big east is losing Syracuse's fan base, are games between any of the teams above going to draw interest when they play UCF

Those VT / Miami roundball games don't draw flies. Then again neither do their football games. Supposedly 37,219 showed up, many dressed as empty seats, to watch the Canes play for first place. In a stadium that seats 76,100 that is less than half full for two of The ACC's most popular football programs.

Crow all you want about The ACC. The only thing that seperated The ACC from ridicule in the past was The Big East. Now that The Big East will be playing for a new 7th BCS Bowl, The ACC will be the target of media attacks.

Look no further than this weeks BCS standings. Lowly Louisville from The Big East jumped God's Gift to college fooball from the greatest conference ESPN ever put together, Florida State. That should open even the biggest ACC homers eyes, that visit here, that times are changing.

& has all that greatness got you a guranteed seat at the table? Would Louisville or any school in the Big East turn down a offer of membership? who cares what the media thinks as long as you can cash the checks

What the media thinks is what got you guys your check, not your actual performance!!!

(11-05-2012 12:31 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 12:26 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 12:16 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 09:55 AM)mj4life Wrote:  probably won't draw the same, but it also goes both ways, the big east is losing Syracuse's fan base, are games between any of the teams above going to draw interest when they play UCF

Those VT / Miami roundball games don't draw flies. Then again neither do their football games. Supposedly 37,219 showed up, many dressed as empty seats, to watch the Canes play for first place. In a stadium that seats 76,100 that is less than half full for two of The ACC's most popular football programs.

Crow all you want about The ACC. The only thing that seperated The ACC from ridicule in the past was The Big East. Now that The Big East will be playing for a new 7th BCS Bowl, The ACC will be the target of media attacks.

Look no further than this weeks BCS standings. Lowly Louisville from The Big East jumped God's Gift to college fooball from the greatest conference ESPN ever put together, Florida State. That should open even the biggest ACC homers eyes, that visit here, that times are changing.

& has all that greatness got you a guranteed seat at the table? Would Louisville or any school in the Big East turn down a offer of membership? who cares what the media thinks as long as you can cash the checks

What the media thinks is what got you guys your check, not your actual performance!!!

Exactly - if BCS Bowl performance had any bearing on what The ACC got paid, Swofford would be cutting a check to The BCS. The ACC is the worst collection of college football programs ever assembled...bar none. The ACC should be a shamed to accept that BCS check.
Forgive me if I don't buy the crap ESPN, Frank or any other ACC apologist tries to sell here.
CJ

(11-05-2012 12:31 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 12:26 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 12:16 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 09:55 AM)mj4life Wrote:  probably won't draw the same, but it also goes both ways, the big east is losing Syracuse's fan base, are games between any of the teams above going to draw interest when they play UCF

Those VT / Miami roundball games don't draw flies. Then again neither do their football games. Supposedly 37,219 showed up, many dressed as empty seats, to watch the Canes play for first place. In a stadium that seats 76,100 that is less than half full for two of The ACC's most popular football programs.

Crow all you want about The ACC. The only thing that seperated The ACC from ridicule in the past was The Big East. Now that The Big East will be playing for a new 7th BCS Bowl, The ACC will be the target of media attacks.

Look no further than this weeks BCS standings. Lowly Louisville from The Big East jumped God's Gift to college fooball from the greatest conference ESPN ever put together, Florida State. That should open even the biggest ACC homers eyes, that visit here, that times are changing.

& has all that greatness got you a guranteed seat at the table? Would Louisville or any school in the Big East turn down a offer of membership? who cares what the media thinks as long as you can cash the checks

Apparently you care since you are here crowing about it. The reality is Louisville makes more money than ANYONE in your sh*tty conference. And no I don't want an invite to a conference where no one cares about football except 2 or 3 programs. Your conference is a fraud. WVU proved it last year. Whomever plays the ACC this year will prove it again.
CJ

& the dollars will still keep rolling in(post 2014 & beyond) fraud or not the ACC was able to secure a place at the big boys table with a subpar on field product, something the big east has been unable to do so far& even if you do get a piece it's a very small one at that.

(11-05-2012 12:35 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 12:31 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 12:26 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 12:16 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 09:55 AM)mj4life Wrote:  probably won't draw the same, but it also goes both ways, the big east is losing Syracuse's fan base, are games between any of the teams above going to draw interest when they play UCF

Those VT / Miami roundball games don't draw flies. Then again neither do their football games. Supposedly 37,219 showed up, many dressed as empty seats, to watch the Canes play for first place. In a stadium that seats 76,100 that is less than half full for two of The ACC's most popular football programs.

Crow all you want about The ACC. The only thing that seperated The ACC from ridicule in the past was The Big East. Now that The Big East will be playing for a new 7th BCS Bowl, The ACC will be the target of media attacks.

Look no further than this weeks BCS standings. Lowly Louisville from The Big East jumped God's Gift to college fooball from the greatest conference ESPN ever put together, Florida State. That should open even the biggest ACC homers eyes, that visit here, that times are changing.

& has all that greatness got you a guranteed seat at the table? Would Louisville or any school in the Big East turn down a offer of membership? who cares what the media thinks as long as you can cash the checks

What the media thinks is what got you guys your check, not your actual performance!!!

Exactly - if BCS Bowl performance had any bearing on what The ACC got paid, Swofford would be cutting a check to The BCS. The ACC is the worst collection of college football programs ever assembled...bar none. The ACC should be a shamed to accept that BCS check.
Forgive me if I don't buy the crap ESPN, Frank or any other ACC apologist tries to sell here.
CJ

it's pretty simple, the ACC has clout & influence off the field . the powers that be would rather associate with sub par schools like UNC over Louisville any day of the week. so get mad all you want but that's a FACT YOU CAN'T DISPUTE PERIOD

(11-05-2012 12:44 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 12:31 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 12:26 PM)mj4life Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 12:16 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 09:55 AM)mj4life Wrote:  probably won't draw the same, but it also goes both ways, the big east is losing Syracuse's fan base, are games between any of the teams above going to draw interest when they play UCF

Those VT / Miami roundball games don't draw flies. Then again neither do their football games. Supposedly 37,219 showed up, many dressed as empty seats, to watch the Canes play for first place. In a stadium that seats 76,100 that is less than half full for two of The ACC's most popular football programs.

Crow all you want about The ACC. The only thing that seperated The ACC from ridicule in the past was The Big East. Now that The Big East will be playing for a new 7th BCS Bowl, The ACC will be the target of media attacks.

Look no further than this weeks BCS standings. Lowly Louisville from The Big East jumped God's Gift to college fooball from the greatest conference ESPN ever put together, Florida State. That should open even the biggest ACC homers eyes, that visit here, that times are changing.

& has all that greatness got you a guranteed seat at the table? Would Louisville or any school in the Big East turn down a offer of membership? who cares what the media thinks as long as you can cash the checks

Apparently you care since you are here crowing about it. The reality is Louisville makes more money than ANYONE in your sh*tty conference. And no I don't want an invite to a conference where no one cares about football except 2 or 3 programs. Your conference is a fraud. WVU proved it last year. Whomever plays the ACC this year will prove it again.
CJ

& the dollars will still keep rolling in(post 2014 & beyond) fraud or not the ACC was able to secure a place at the big boys table with a subpar on field product, something the big east has been unable to do so far& even if you do get a piece it's a very small one at that.

We have Mods on these boards right? Isn't this the Webster's definition of a troll?

"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

(11-05-2012 10:12 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Weiss' article was about the A-10, not Syracuse.

The A-10 gets a few more ticket sales but doesn't change the fact that it's a weaker conference and is banking on Butler and VCU to be national powers. Neither are good long-term options.

Syracuse will probably draw slightly fewer TV viewers for the simple fact that NYC doesn't care about Clemson or Miami or VTech. As long as they're winning, people will show up inside the Dome for the Orangemen. The first season Hopkins goes 18-13, watch out.

This....

Cuse vs Duke/UNC, Notre Dame, Pitt and MD/NCSt will draw eyeballz n big Dome crowds..the rest meh

Can we stay in the BE for BB and the ACC for FB?

What others stated what makes the BE Tourney so cool is having alumni of all the schools working midtown. Syracuse might be the biggest name program with the largest NYC fan base but the tourney will still be quite good with the remaining schools. Hopefully Rutgers, UConn and Seton Hall can all have good years in 13-14.

The A-10 is a Philly market conference. NBE has basketball Schools around NYC. Thus It makes senses for the NBE to play in The City. The A-10 should be playing in Philly.

(11-05-2012 10:27 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:19 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 10:00 AM)TheRock Wrote:  

(11-05-2012 09:23 AM)mj4life Wrote:  i see holes in your theory period, remember syracuse games will be televised in NYC which is just as important & might be more important than playing games in the Big Apple. now the loss of playing in the Big East Tournament hurts but we don't know that the tournament will be what it was without the Orange.but in return they get to sell playing 2 TRUE BLUEBLOOD programs of college basketball & not some wana be programs who most people have never heard of & the ACC tournament is a good as any & unlike the BET it sells out anywhere it goes period

DUDE it's 2012 in the NYC metro we get to watch every team on tv/internet...but what we don't get is the ability for our families & friends to drive or catch the Path or Subway to watch these teams play live and develop rooting interests that span generations. Or to have polite discourse (yeah right) with fans from opposing teams at the games. That's what built the Big East foundation, tv just expanded that foundation, but i don't think it's not enough by itself.

Shouting R-Uuuuu at the tv is just not the same...trust me i've done it on a few occasions.

i understand the value of actually going to games but you are presenting it like Syracuse is moving it's entire campus south or something. i 'm not saying the move won't have some negative impact on their program . i'm sure they thought this over before deciding to move in the first place. my other point is the Big East is losing the Orange's audience, they no longer have a vested interest in watching Big East games unless it just a game they want to watch period. even with the best conference from top to bottom the Big East still ranked 5th in average tv viewership & well over 200,000 viewers less than the ACC

That is a true point that can not be belittled. The perspective I'm trying to add is that there are other programs waiting in the wings to fill that void. Cuse did this to SJU over the last 15 years or so. You may not know but the original rivalry that put the BE on the map was b/n The Hoyas & St. John's. The Towel vs. The Sweater. Cuse took the NYC mantle from SJU as their program rose and SJU declined. If this could happen to a team (SJU) that is still in the BE and plays it's home games at MSG why can't happen to Cuse? Pitt tried to do the same thing during this time and did a decent job of it via recruiting & marketing but not nearly as successful. The A-10 is just signifying they want to step up their push in this battle instead of remaining mostly a non-factor in the NYC metro.

When Cuse joined the Big East in 1979...they were an excellent regional program. SJU was generally a better program than Cuse in the 70s before the DOme opened. TV games were rare back then. The Carrier Dome, BE and ESPN made Syracuse what they are and it started in 1979 with the closing of Manely Field House.

With That at the start: SU, GTown and SJU were the three big bad teams...Sweater vs Vest was huge...but so was Pearl vs Ewing. But GTown was the biggest, baddest program in the early 80s. Cuse, SJU and the rest slightly behind.

(11-05-2012 01:08 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

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(11-05-2012 09:23 AM)mj4life Wrote:  i see holes in your theory period, remember syracuse games will be televised in NYC which is just as important & might be more important than playing games in the Big Apple. now the loss of playing in the Big East Tournament hurts but we don't know that the tournament will be what it was without the Orange.but in return they get to sell playing 2 TRUE BLUEBLOOD programs of college basketball & not some wana be programs who most people have never heard of & the ACC tournament is a good as any & unlike the BET it sells out anywhere it goes period

DUDE it's 2012 in the NYC metro we get to watch every team on tv/internet...but what we don't get is the ability for our families & friends to drive or catch the Path or Subway to watch these teams play live and develop rooting interests that span generations. Or to have polite discourse (yeah right) with fans from opposing teams at the games. That's what built the Big East foundation, tv just expanded that foundation, but i don't think it's not enough by itself.

Shouting R-Uuuuu at the tv is just not the same...trust me i've done it on a few occasions.

i understand the value of actually going to games but you are presenting it like Syracuse is moving it's entire campus south or something. i 'm not saying the move won't have some negative impact on their program . i'm sure they thought this over before deciding to move in the first place. my other point is the Big East is losing the Orange's audience, they no longer have a vested interest in watching Big East games unless it just a game they want to watch period. even with the best conference from top to bottom the Big East still ranked 5th in average tv viewership & well over 200,000 viewers less than the ACC

That is a true point that can not be belittled. The perspective I'm trying to add is that there are other programs waiting in the wings to fill that void. Cuse did this to SJU over the last 15 years or so. You may not know but the original rivalry that put the BE on the map was b/n The Hoyas & St. John's. The Towel vs. The Sweater. Cuse took the NYC mantle from SJU as their program rose and SJU declined. If this could happen to a team (SJU) that is still in the BE and plays it's home games at MSG why can't happen to Cuse? Pitt tried to do the same thing during this time and did a decent job of it via recruiting & marketing but not nearly as successful. The A-10 is just signifying they want to step up their push in this battle instead of remaining mostly a non-factor in the NYC metro.

When Cuse joined the Big East in 1979...they were an excellent regional program. SJU was generally a better program than Cuse in the 70s before the DOme opened. TV games were rare back then. The Carrier Dome, BE and ESPN made Syracuse what they are and it started in 1979 with the closing of Manely Field House.

With That at the start: SU, GTown and SJU were the three big bad teams...Sweater vs Vest was huge...but so was Pearl vs Ewing. But GTown was the biggest, baddest program in the early 80s. Cuse, SJU and the rest slightly behind.

Actually The Vest & yes Glory Days Indeed!! But TM the Redmen had the better players in the earlier years compared to Cuse (Mullin, Mark Jackson, Berry, Wennington) and were the first true challenger to Hoya Paranoia correct? I'm strecthing my memory as I really got into it around '87.