I think we're grossly over estimating the blip that playing Southern would cause in Atlanta. SC State has as many or more alumni in Atlanta as Southern as does Clark Atlanta. And we certainly did not get the attendance boost we thought. I think Georgia Southern beats both those schools but not by much. At most that game gets 32k and more likely something closer to 26k. It would take a Power 5 conference school really bust 40k plus. That would cause GSU alumni who have never been to a game to buy a ticket.

it's too early to say fail.

not hyperbole alert: this football hire is the most important hire in ga state history. bigger than bill curry. bigger than ron hunter.

if yall bring in a good hire and start winning games they will come. i know atlanta fans notoriously suck. but I'm talking relative here. they don't suck as bad as south flarda fans....by any stretch.

you get a young guy like willie in there that will beat the geogia and flarda bushes and you can start winning games. jimmies and joes....not x's and o's.

we just had our best attendance ever.....23k+. kinda a name team....but coming in a winning season.

if you guys settle for someone like nutt so you can have a 'name' you're gonna suck. get a hungry young brutha in there that kids wanna play for. the offer of immediate p.t. will get some kids you might not normally get.

i know a lot of folks aren't crazy about the ga state add but they're here and aren't going anywhere. most of the schools in this conference have spent our purgatory time in the 'bottom 10' on espn. they'll be no different.

get this hire right.

georgia is a football crazy state and there's absolutely no reason they can't put a winner on the field.

[/quote]Winning? Long term? Has to happen and I have said it repeatedly. Have been saying that new car smell runs out for 4 years. You have win especially in a big city, over time. You also have to get butts in seats anyway possible. You're selling an unknown product. But if you can get enough people in they will keep coming back. That's why you do the UTSA style ticket promotions. A football ticket is a perishable item. Get them in anyway you can and then when you normalize ticket prices in a couple years they will be hooked.[/quote]

Glad you pointed this out, because a few of you slammed UTSA for their gimmicky promotions.

http://www.panthertalk.com/community/thr...ener.3704/

I'll have to take your word for it...State being an unknown product. If State is, indeed, an unknown product smack dab in the middle of Atlanta with your 100k+ alumns, games against SEC programs, cover of ESPN, etc, you're in trouble.

30k+ found their way to your stadium year one and attendance has dropped like student applications for typewriter repair schools ever since. Winning was key from day one, not long term. Sure, we agree your media market granted you access to the SBC (no success needed) but fans want to see a competitive program and their not willing to wait.

Winning is the #1 thing for a new program. Not long term. Now.
* I know your stance is that winning isn't a prerequisite for an invitation to a FBS conference. Understood. But, poor performance is the reason fewer than 10k want to attend your home games and the SBC should be concerned about possible NCAA sanctions should you continue to fall below the 15k mandated attendance threshold. You're entering the SBC with two major black eyes with little hope of improving.

35-3
#winners

Winning? Long term? Has to happen and I have said it repeatedly. Have been saying that new car smell runs out for 4 years. You have win especially in a big city, over time. You also have to get butts in seats anyway possible. You're selling an unknown product. But if you can get enough people in they will keep coming back. That's why you do the UTSA style ticket promotions. A football ticket is a perishable item. Get them in anyway you can and then when you normalize ticket prices in a couple years they will be hooked.[/quote]

Glad you pointed this out, because a few of you slammed UTSA for their gimmicky promotions.

http://www.panthertalk.com/community/thr...ener.3704/

I'll have to take your word for it...State being an unknown product. If State is, indeed, an unknown product smack dab in the middle of Atlanta with your 100k+ alumns, games against SEC programs, cover of ESPN, etc, you're in trouble.

30k+ found their way to your stadium year one and attendance has dropped like student applications for typewriter repair schools ever since. Winning was key from day one, not long term. Sure, we agree your media market granted you access to the SBC (no success needed) but fans want to see a competitive program and their not willing to wait.

Winning is the #1 thing for a new program. Not long term. Now.

35-3
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Tribal, talk to me when you stop trolling the internet with your hate of GSU and your taboo love for Georgia Southern. I am not even sure what your point is anymore other than "GSU Sucks" which was your point 4 years ago before we even started football. You combined two statements I made into one and after I corrected you and separated them you troll through Panther Talk looking for prospective info to prove me wrong or a liar or who knows what your point is? Was UTSA's season one ticket promotion a gimmick? Yes. Did it work? Yes. It even worked when U of Miami did it first in the late 70's. Do you still have to convert those butts in seats eventually without gimmicks? Yes. As for your statement about attendance dropping after the Inaugural Game...there was a 60% drop in attendance from game 1 to game 2 in our history. We went on to winning season. Winning is certainly a major component to attendance. But in reality the biggest component for us was marketing and an AD who believed that her job was done 9/2/10. The Inaugural game was her destination and remember, she had zero intent on being employed by GSU come 2011. So we have been on autopilot ever since. Imagine than in 3 years there has never been a local TV commercial for GSU Athletics. Yet I have seen commercials from West Georgia, Georgia Southern and Clark-Atlanta. Only someone who doesnt get it at all markets the way we do in Atlanta and they do not get Atlanta at all.

How do you convince GSU alumni and local people in Atlanta to buy season tickets to GSU when it's clear tickets will always be available to whatever game they want to come to? Playing in such an over sized stadium makes GSU's attendance almost completely performance and opponent driven. So what incentives could you provide that would make it more important to be a season ticket holder? I'm not saying it can't be done, but what are suggestions and possibilities that could make that happen? Maybe discounted concessions to season ticket holders?

(10-09-2012 10:32 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  How do you convince GSU alumni and local people in Atlanta to buy season tickets to GSU when it's clear tickets will always be available to whatever game they want to come to? Playing in such an over sized stadium makes GSU's attendance almost completely performance and opponent driven. So what incentives could you provide that would make it more important to be a season ticket holder? I'm not saying it can't be done, but what are suggestions and possibilities that could make that happen? Maybe discounted concessions to season ticket holders?

You came up with an idea in 5 sentences. And that is all I am saying. You have 71, 288 seats. Why is your cheapest walk up ticket $20 not including Ticketmaster fees? We're spending $10k a pop on block parties that 300 to 500 people attend. How many commercials would that have purchased on local TV? This city is enormous. You would be surprised (or maybe not) how many people are unaware about certain elements of our football and basketball program. You have to market in this city whether your Arena Football League or Women's Soccer. You CAN get people to games because a lot of these teams do. But in a large city you cannot just assume people will find you and come down just because. If the Braves have to come up with an effective marketing campaign ("This is Why We Chop") what would make you think as the leader of a mid major college program that you can get away with less. Even Tech had a promotion for $8 tickets when they played Presbyterian. I would not charge more than $10 for an end zone seat. We dont have to sell put the Dome. Even 18k to 20k looks and sounds great in there. But to just do nothing is just amazing to me.

(10-09-2012 10:46 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-09-2012 10:32 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  How do you convince GSU alumni and local people in Atlanta to buy season tickets to GSU when it's clear tickets will always be available to whatever game they want to come to? Playing in such an over sized stadium makes GSU's attendance almost completely performance and opponent driven. So what incentives could you provide that would make it more important to be a season ticket holder? I'm not saying it can't be done, but what are suggestions and possibilities that could make that happen? Maybe discounted concessions to season ticket holders?

You came up with an idea in 5 sentences. And that is all I am saying. You have 71, 288 seats. Why is your cheapest walk up ticket $20 not including Ticketmaster fees? We're spending $10k a pop on block parties that 300 to 500 people attend. How many commercials would that have purchased on local TV? This city is enormous. You would be surprised (or maybe not) how many people are unaware about certain elements of our football and basketball program. You have to market in this city whether your Arena Football League or Women's Soccer. You CAN get people to games because a lot of these teams do. But in a large city you cannot just assume people will find you and come down just because. If the Braves have to come up with an effective marketing campaign ("This is Why We Chop") what would make you think as the leader of a mid major college program that you can get away with less. Even Tech had a promotion for $8 tickets when they played Presbyterian. I would not charge more than $10 for an end zone seat. We dont have to sell put the Dome. Even 18k to 20k looks and sounds great in there. But to just do nothing is just amazing to me.

we were selling season tickets for 35$ the first year. can still get 'em for 50$.

walkup is 12$. you do the math. this year we sold over 8k season tickets. around a couple hundred less than the first year but that year i believe a couple corporations bought 500 each.

price it low. get a coach in that can bring the players in.

this is a basketball state. our fan base is learning to love football. its baby steps.

I don't live in Atlanta, but I have spent a good bit of time there. It seems to me, you could spend a ton of money on marketing and it isn't going to matter. If I am the consumer and I know it's not a good product, you can shove all the marketing down my throat you want and I am still not buying. Even if I am not aware of the product and I see a commercial, sure it may convince me to try it once but if the product isn't any good, I don't buy again.

I actually think the big city is a hindrance. There are too many other things for people to do. Where as in small towns, where the choices are limited people are more apt to support the program. Hence, all the SEC schools being located in small towns for the most part. There was nothing else to do back in the day, so people came out to watch the games.

The only chance you guys have at success is winning and hoping you can get some of the alumni to start showing up.

(10-09-2012 10:58 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(10-09-2012 10:46 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-09-2012 10:32 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  How do you convince GSU alumni and local people in Atlanta to buy season tickets to GSU when it's clear tickets will always be available to whatever game they want to come to? Playing in such an over sized stadium makes GSU's attendance almost completely performance and opponent driven. So what incentives could you provide that would make it more important to be a season ticket holder? I'm not saying it can't be done, but what are suggestions and possibilities that could make that happen? Maybe discounted concessions to season ticket holders?

You came up with an idea in 5 sentences. And that is all I am saying. You have 71, 288 seats. Why is your cheapest walk up ticket $20 not including Ticketmaster fees? We're spending $10k a pop on block parties that 300 to 500 people attend. How many commercials would that have purchased on local TV? This city is enormous. You would be surprised (or maybe not) how many people are unaware about certain elements of our football and basketball program. You have to market in this city whether your Arena Football League or Women's Soccer. You CAN get people to games because a lot of these teams do. But in a large city you cannot just assume people will find you and come down just because. If the Braves have to come up with an effective marketing campaign ("This is Why We Chop") what would make you think as the leader of a mid major college program that you can get away with less. Even Tech had a promotion for $8 tickets when they played Presbyterian. I would not charge more than $10 for an end zone seat. We dont have to sell put the Dome. Even 18k to 20k looks and sounds great in there. But to just do nothing is just amazing to me.

we were selling season tickets for 35$ the first year. can still get 'em for 50$.

walkup is 12$. you do the math. this year we sold over 8k season tickets. around a couple hundred less than the first year but that year i believe a couple corporations bought 500 each.

price it low. get a coach in that can bring the players in.

this is a basketball state. our fan base is learning to love football. its baby steps.

Again, another guy who inst paid a quarter of a million dollars a year to figure this out figured it out. Its not that hard.

(10-09-2012 11:26 AM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  I don't live in Atlanta, but I have spent a good bit of time there. It seems to me, you could spend a ton of money on marketing and it isn't going to matter. If I am the consumer and I know it's not a good product, you can shove all the marketing down my throat you want and I am still not buying. Even if I am not aware of the product and I see a commercial, sure it may convince me to try it once but if the product isn't any good, I don't buy again.

I actually think the big city is a hindrance. There are too many other things for people to do. Where as in small towns, where the choices are limited people are more apt to support the program. Hence, all the SEC schools being located in small towns for the most part. There was nothing else to do back in the day, so people came out to watch the games.

The only chance you guys have at success is winning and hoping you can get some of the alumni to start showing up.

And your wrong. The city provides inexhaustible supply. he hing is that winning can be fixed, but if youre winning and nobody knows you exist and/or you have priced yourself out of the market then you're gonna reap what you sow. Like I keep saying, why are we pricing ourselves like a ACC school? People will come to games if you get the right marketing and pricing in place. Morehouse has been Top 5 in Div II attendance forever. Its should not be as hard as our administration is making it to get 20k people out of 6M to come to games at the dome 6 weeks a year,

(10-09-2012 12:17 PM)panama Wrote:  And your wrong. The city provides inexhaustible supply. he hing is that winning can be fixed, but if youre winning and nobody knows you exist and/or you have priced yourself out of the market then you're gonna reap what you sow. Like I keep saying, why are we pricing ourselves like a ACC school? People will come to games if you get the right marketing and pricing in place. Morehouse has been Top 5 in Div II attendance forever. Its should not be as hard as our administration is making it to get 20k people out of 6M to come to games at the dome 6 weeks a year,

If you are winning, people will know you exist.

Pricing is not much of a factor. If the average ticket price is $20 (just throwing out that number) and you lower it to $10, do you get double the amount of people? I highly doubt that. You might get a couple thousand more. Not enough to make a difference and the shcool would be losing more money at that point. If you win, people will pay more for a good product. It isn't about the money. You need a superior product over the other avenues for entertainment in Atl.

(10-09-2012 01:08 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  

(10-09-2012 12:17 PM)panama Wrote:  And your wrong. The city provides inexhaustible supply. he hing is that winning can be fixed, but if youre winning and nobody knows you exist and/or you have priced yourself out of the market then you're gonna reap what you sow. Like I keep saying, why are we pricing ourselves like a ACC school? People will come to games if you get the right marketing and pricing in place. Morehouse has been Top 5 in Div II attendance forever. Its should not be as hard as our administration is making it to get 20k people out of 6M to come to games at the dome 6 weeks a year,

If you are winning, people will know you exist.

Pricing is not much of a factor. If the average ticket price is $20 (just throwing out that number) and you lower it to $10, do you get double the amount of people? I highly doubt that. You might get a couple thousand more. Not enough to make a difference and the shcool would be losing more money at that point. If you win, people will pay more for a good product. It isn't about the money. You need a superior product over the other avenues for entertainment in Atl.

You should apply to athletics.

Any chance GSU could NOT play in the Georgia Dome? As other have said it creates pretty much ZERO demand for tickets considering the stadium has such a great supply available. Why purchase season tickets at all?

(10-07-2012 12:04 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  

(10-07-2012 11:48 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  What was attendance?

9531

So their attendance is in line with CUSA darlings TooLame, and future soul mate FIU.

GSU can improve fan base only with huge improvements in product. Honestly while there are x millions in HotLanta, and Miami, and a million plus metro Nawlins nobody cares a hoot about these teams in those cities. Smaller cities in the Sun Belt love their teams, even MoanRow.

1. I didn't know GA State existed 4 years ago, certainly not before you established a football team.
2. I don't love GSU, we have mutual interest in the sorrow of some narcissistic & delusional GA State fans. That said (and I've tailgated with many of them), they are some of the most hospitable & selfless fans I have ever encountered and they have a level of security that would make the Kremlin blush.
3. You trumpeted the arrival of Curry as the Second Coming and he's had all he can handle. He's running for the hills for good reason.
4. You banged the drum of the deep south, your media market, playing in the dome, recruiting hotbed, FBS transfers, endowment, and 100k+ ATL alums. Welp, kids who play football in the deep south have--literally-dozens of options within 3 states and all of them view GA State as a fallback school as far as football is concerned. No kid worth his salt will pick GA State over Troy, USF, FIU, or FAU. W&M has 5 current starters mined from your backyard. Your FBS transfers are underwhelming athletes who couldn't cut it on their previous team. Your 100+ grads don't care...if they did, you wouldn't have to drop vouchers to bring in 55 more than the <10,000 you had the week before. Heck, you'd think that at least 5,000 more would show up given your SBC announcement. You and your boys love to mock our "HS stadium"...well, you're attendance over the past few weeks wouldn't fill our stadium. Our stadium is where our players rushed for over 300 yards, held you to under 100 rushing yards, and caused 7 turnovers before our coach mercifully ran out the clock, up 35-3.

Unfortunately for GA State, you're not up to the level of play in the CAA (pee wee football at its finest) and the SBC is having an amazing season. The best you can hope for in 2012 is a 1-10 season with an average loss of about 30 points. Next year, you can expect more of the same with probably 3,000-5,000 visiting fans infiltrating your stadium. You'll be left blaming Ms. Levick, ticket prices, Thurs night games, poor start times, traffic, lack of media coverage, this coach, that coach, students, the AJC, GT, UGA, conflicting activities in Atlanta, etc on PantherTalk.

35-3. That's what she said.

(10-09-2012 01:45 PM)CajunExpress Wrote:  

(10-07-2012 12:04 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  

(10-07-2012 11:48 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  What was attendance?

9531

So their attendance is in line with CUSA darlings TooLame, and future soul mate FIU.

GSU can improve fan base only with huge improvements in product. Honestly while there are x millions in HotLanta, and Miami, and a million plus metro Nawlins nobody cares a hoot about these teams in those cities. Smaller cities in the Sun Belt love their teams, even MoanRow.

"Hotlanta" is a no no

(10-09-2012 01:45 PM)Tribal Wrote:  1. I didn't know GA State existed 4 years ago, certainly not before you established a football team.
2. I don't love GSU, we have mutual interest in the sorrow of some narcissistic & delusional GA State fans. That said (and I've tailgated with many of them), they are some of the most hospitable & selfless fans I have ever encountered and they have a level of security that would make the Kremlin blush.
3. You trumpeted the arrival of Curry as the Second Coming and he's had all he can handle. He's running for the hills for good reason.
4. You banged the drum of the deep south, your media market, playing in the dome, recruiting hotbed, FBS transfers, endowment, and 100k+ ATL alums. Welp, kids who play football in the deep south have--literally-dozens of options within 3 states and all of them view GA State as a fallback school as far as football is concerned. No kid worth his salt will pick GA State over Troy, USF, FIU, or FAU. W&M has 5 current starters mined from your backyard. Your FBS transfers are underwhelming athletes who couldn't cut it on their previous team. Your 100+ grads don't care...if they did, you wouldn't have to drop vouchers to bring in 55 more than the <10,000 you had the week before. Heck, you'd think that at least 5,000 more would show up given your SBC announcement. You and your boys love to mock our "HS stadium"...well, you're attendance over the past few weeks wouldn't fill our stadium. Our stadium is where our players rushed for over 300 yards, held you to under 100 rushing yards, and caused 7 turnovers before our coach mercifully ran out the clock, up 35-3.

Unfortunately for GA State, you're not up to the level of play in the CAA (pee wee football at its finest) and the SBC is having an amazing season. The best you can hope for in 2012 is a 1-10 season with an average loss of about 30 points. Next year, you can expect more of the same with probably 3,000-5,000 visiting fans infiltrating your stadium. You'll be left blaming Ms. Levick, ticket prices, Thurs night games, poor start times, traffic, lack of media coverage, this coach, that coach, students, the AJC, GT, UGA, conflicting activities in Atlanta, etc on PantherTalk.

35-3. That's what she said.

Really? We have been in the CAA since 2005. Football was announced in 2007. Curry was hired in 2008. And you didnt we existed in 2009? What was your college major? Wild Meanderings with a minor Cocoa for Cocoa Puffs?

(10-09-2012 01:45 PM)CajunExpress Wrote:  So their attendance is in line with CUSA darlings TooLame, and future soul mate FIU.

GSU can improve fan base only with huge improvements in product. Honestly while there are x millions in HotLanta, and Miami, and a million plus metro Nawlins nobody cares a hoot about these teams in those cities. Smaller cities in the Sun Belt love their teams, even MoanRow.

Exactly. Focus on the on field product and they will have more success in the stands. I mean honestly, they could have the greatest marketing department in the world but does anyone want to spend their time or money seeing such lopsided losses? Hell no.

(10-09-2012 02:25 PM)Tennessee_Eagle Wrote:  

(10-09-2012 01:45 PM)CajunExpress Wrote:  So their attendance is in line with CUSA darlings TooLame, and future soul mate FIU.

GSU can improve fan base only with huge improvements in product. Honestly while there are x millions in HotLanta, and Miami, and a million plus metro Nawlins nobody cares a hoot about these teams in those cities. Smaller cities in the Sun Belt love their teams, even MoanRow.

Exactly. Focus on the on field product and they will have more success in the stands. I mean honestly, they could have the greatest marketing department in the world but does anyone want to spend their time or money seeing such lopsided losses? Hell no.

At this point if we were 4-2 we would still be averaging less than 18k a game. It has to be BOTH.

(10-09-2012 01:58 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-09-2012 01:45 PM)CajunExpress Wrote:  

(10-07-2012 12:04 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  

(10-07-2012 11:48 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  What was attendance?

9531

So their attendance is in line with CUSA darlings TooLame, and future soul mate FIU.

GSU can improve fan base only with huge improvements in product. Honestly while there are x millions in HotLanta, and Miami, and a million plus metro Nawlins nobody cares a hoot about these teams in those cities. Smaller cities in the Sun Belt love their teams, even MoanRow.

"Hotlanta" is a no no

Atlanta hates the name Hotlanta. People here will correct you REAL quick!