(09-28-2012 06:28 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Here's the dilemma - it's easy to say,
"Sign the GOR or get out of the Big East", but the very schools that wouldn't want to sign a GOR are the most valuable ones. If Louisville or UConn don't want to sign that document, you're not going to see the Big East kick them out. The other members have no leverage here. Note that each school has absolute veto power to reject a GOR proposal - it is NOT something that you can pass with even a 18-1 vote.

The GOR's value to TV networks isn't that great in terms of increasing the value of the TV rights, either. Even if the Big East were to get any "GOR bonus", it would be a negligible amount that certainly wouldn't be persuasive to a school like Louisville.

Now, maybe a school like UConn could be resigned to the fact that the ACC or Big Ten aren't calling, so they're better off pushing to lock in Louisville and Rutgers from going anywhere else. We'll see how this goes.

It was a joke. No way the BE gets a GoR.

I personally wouldn't want Memphis to sign it.

This is a reporter guys, there are plenty of reporters that have reported stuff on all things realignment and have been proven they were throwing darts to see if it hits.

Having said that, I don't know where we stand as school in signing a GOR......my thought is, we'd agree to sign it somewhere around 2016, which would be 2 seasons of playoff games, and letting some things sort themselves out. That means how the playoffs work out, bowl payouts, tv ratings on new contract, how UL and rest of Big East fair on the field. It is way to early to committ for extended amount of time to a conference that has been decimated and has to start over again to rebrand/proove itself......

I think Frank is right...it's prob going to be all in our all out. If it's all in and you don't want in that you are looking at independant. nobody in this conference is big enough or good enough or has enough following to make that work...

I actually think it's a good idea, for stability. I just don't think there is any way to make it unanimous. I think, if anything, a steep exit fee is more likely, b/c you don't need 100% to pass a vote.

(09-28-2012 06:35 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I think Frank is right...it's prob going to be all in our all out. If it's all in and you don't want in that you are looking at independant. nobody in this conference is big enough or good enough or has enough following to make that work...

Are you referring to Frank's comments in post #19? If so, you say he is "right", but I read your comments as disagreeing with his view of how this will turn out.

Aresco better out together one hell of a total package if he thinks Boise State will agree to a GOR.

I'm sure UL, Cincy, Rutgers, and definitely BYU would all feel the same...

(09-28-2012 06:28 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Here's the dilemma - it's easy to say,
"Sign the GOR or get out of the Big East", but the very schools that wouldn't want to sign a GOR are the most valuable ones. If Louisville or UConn don't want to sign that document, you're not going to see the Big East kick them out. The other members have no leverage here. Note that each school has absolute veto power to reject a GOR proposal - it is NOT something that you can pass with even a 18-1 vote.

The GOR's value to TV networks isn't that great in terms of increasing the value of the TV rights, either. Even if the Big East were to get any "GOR bonus", it would be a negligible amount that certainly wouldn't be persuasive to a school like Louisville.
Now, maybe a school like UConn could be resigned to the fact that the ACC or Big Ten aren't calling, so they're better off pushing to lock in Louisville and Rutgers from going anywhere else. We'll see how this goes.

Frank, I would say that line right there is the key. If a Big East GOR results in very little premium in the contract, what does that say about the irreplacebility of some programs that seem to think that they are irreplacable? The way I read it, your essentially saying that the networks see reasonably similar and attainable replacement schools that would generally maintain the Big East's media value--thus, the GOR is not valuable to them.

By the way, Im not saying this is a good idea, but if your willing to kick a school out if they dont sign the GOR, it doesnt really matter if they wont sign it. You dont need thier vote to kick them out to get the 100% vote needed. Though, that behavior would seem to be the exact definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

^ I agree. We've discussed all this before, with the same details.

(09-28-2012 06:34 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  I personally wouldn't want Memphis to sign it.

You're right. The SEC could call any minute.

Fact of the matter is NO Big East school should sign a GOR, especially a 10 year GOR. What if Memphis turns things around in football, keeps basketball stable and renovates the Liberty Bowl in 6 years? Do you really want to be locked in for another 4 if the Big 12 decides to go to 16? Because if they do and Memphis has met the criteria I just mentioned, I'm sure they'll get a long hard look.

(09-28-2012 06:15 PM)cardinal_fan123 Wrote:  

(09-28-2012 06:08 PM)First Family Forever Wrote:  All schools should sign the GOR , if they don't go independent . It really that simple. You are all in or out.

Like I said. Some schools need us a lot more than we need them. This GOR thing is being put into place BECAUSE of the threat of Louisville and Rutgers constantly being mentioned as the next teams to defect from CUSA 2.0

And if/when that day comes, this conference is as good as dead. You'd better hope and pray to whatever deity you worship that we don't get the call.

Its nice to be a fan and be delusional. If you were that attractive, you would already have a new destination. You're only 7 years removed from C-USA. I could careless about louisville or any other holier than thou program. Why don't jurich go independent if you're so much better than everyone else. Navy, BYU, Army does it. Supposedly you're better than those programs.

You know why, he knows you're no better than any other program in the league and if you go independent, you'd be quickly forgotten. You're in the same boat as the rest of the league whether you like it or not. So get over yourself.

(09-28-2012 06:52 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-28-2012 06:28 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Here's the dilemma - it's easy to say,
"Sign the GOR or get out of the Big East", but the very schools that wouldn't want to sign a GOR are the most valuable ones. If Louisville or UConn don't want to sign that document, you're not going to see the Big East kick them out. The other members have no leverage here. Note that each school has absolute veto power to reject a GOR proposal - it is NOT something that you can pass with even a 18-1 vote.

The GOR's value to TV networks isn't that great in terms of increasing the value of the TV rights, either. Even if the Big East were to get any "GOR bonus", it would be a negligible amount that certainly wouldn't be persuasive to a school like Louisville.
Now, maybe a school like UConn could be resigned to the fact that the ACC or Big Ten aren't calling, so they're better off pushing to lock in Louisville and Rutgers from going anywhere else. We'll see how this goes.

Frank, I would say that line right there is the key. If a Big East GOR results in very little premium in the contract, what does that say about the irreplacebility of some programs that seem to think that they are irreplacable? The way I read it, your essentially saying that the networks see reasonably similar and attainable replacement schools that would generally maintain the Big East's media value--thus, the GOR is not valuable to them.

What he means is that a GOR adds little value to any TV contact, not just the Big East. The GOR is very valuable to the conference for stability. The networks use fee adjustment clauses.

I would be disappointed in any school that signs a GOR with a non top tier conference. You're admitting you don't aspire to do better.
The entire point of the GOR is that it is voluntary. Extortion is not the answer.

I think a buyout similar to the ACC is much more likely, 3 x the yearly media rights.

I am just curious about something.

AND I AM NOT INTERESTED IN THE MERITS OF WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY OR IF IT WOULD EVER HAPPEN, BUT......

If Aresco locked up the 7th Bowl as a BE contracted exclusive tie-in, exactly the same as ACC has with Orange Bowl

And

Landed a media rights deal that paid each All-Sports member $20 million/year


Do you think he would have a hard time getting a GOR from all the schools

AGAIN, I AM NOT ARGUING WHETHER IT IS POSSIBLE OR NOT.

However, I believe every University President would have a price.

What is funny is Louisville and Rutgers are two Big East teams that really have not accomplished a damn thing in football and yet the Louisville fans think a team like Cincy or Boise needs them. Yet the Big East was willing to take it in the @$$ to get Boise. So who needs who again?
I hope Louisville doesn't sign it and gets stuck in the Sunbelt. Because those ACC and Big 12 dreams are done. They just have to much pride to admit it. Well they call it pride. I call it ignorance.

(09-28-2012 06:28 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Here's the dilemma - it's easy to say,
"Sign the GOR or get out of the Big East", but the very schools that wouldn't want to sign a GOR are the most valuable ones. If Louisville or UConn don't want to sign that document, you're not going to see the Big East kick them out. The other members have no leverage here. Note that each school has absolute veto power to reject a GOR proposal - it is NOT something that you can pass with even a 18-1 vote.

The GOR's value to TV networks isn't that great in terms of increasing the value of the TV rights, either. Even if the Big East were to get any "GOR bonus", it would be a negligible amount that certainly wouldn't be persuasive to a school like Louisville.

Now, maybe a school like UConn could be resigned to the fact that the ACC or Big Ten aren't calling, so they're better off pushing to lock in Louisville and Rutgers from going anywhere else. We'll see how this goes.

good point, but what value will the BE have if these schools leave or are constantly threatening to leave? Might as well try to get firm commitments now and move on for long term, then stay the course and be in constant fear that team "a" or"b" is going to bolt
IMO going thru realignment every few years would be more harmful to the BE then telling those with wondering eyes to be all in or get out now.

(09-28-2012 07:36 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  What is funny is Louisville and Rutgers are two Big East teams that really have not accomplished a damn thing in football and yet the Louisville fans think a team like Cincy or Boise needs them. Yet the Big East was willing to take it in the @$$ to get Boise. So who needs who again?
I hope Louisville doesn't sign it and gets stuck in the Sunbelt. Because those ACC and Big 12 dreams are done. They just have to much pride to admit it. Well they call it pride. I call it ignorance.

Getting back to the mature part of this conversation.....No one can deny that we have been looked at for realignment invites right? We are in a conference that has been torn apart, we're starting over with a new commish, new schools, new tv contract, new playoffs, new bowls, new conference schedule, need I say anything else more that starts with new? No one should be forced to sign a GOR for any number of years. If anything you sign a short tv contract first then everyone reevaluate from there. As for UL's success Boise fan, we've done quiet well in football before Krags and showing a quick ramp up since Krags....then we have all the other sports succes, revenue generating, total committment from school/community, I'm really not sure you grasp where we are. No we haven't had a BCS streak yet but everything else is checked off.

Would you as a first time home owner buy a house in a decent neighborhood, but not the finest community in town, then sign up with the bank that you will contractually stay in that house for 10+ years, not knowing if the neighborhood will stay steady, rise up, drop down, etc.?

Don't worry about war torn, he's as much of a clown as a few newer fans from my own school.

(09-28-2012 07:46 PM)L1C4 Wrote:  

(09-28-2012 07:36 PM)War Torn Ruston Wrote:  What is funny is Louisville and Rutgers are two Big East teams that really have not accomplished a damn thing in football and yet the Louisville fans think a team like Cincy or Boise needs them. Yet the Big East was willing to take it in the @$$ to get Boise. So who needs who again?
I hope Louisville doesn't sign it and gets stuck in the Sunbelt. Because those ACC and Big 12 dreams are done. They just have to much pride to admit it. Well they call it pride. I call it ignorance.

How ironic you post a pic of a little man with his mouth wide open. Might wanna get used to that.