this is a joke right? Id rather get that high school in texas that has a stadium that seats 60,000

with more realinement, in 5 yrs it might be a great idea

(09-27-2012 06:43 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  no Penn, no Ohio U....no no no no no no no

why are we discussing this for pete sake?

lol, this thread has went on much longer than it probably should have, hasn't it?

(09-27-2012 07:19 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(09-27-2012 06:43 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  no Penn, no Ohio U....no no no no no no no

why are we discussing this for pete sake?

lol, this thread has went on much longer than it probably should have, hasn't it?

it should have never been started to begin with.....

(09-27-2012 07:00 PM)Duffman Wrote:  this is a joke right? Id rather get that high school in texas that has a stadium that seats 60,000

It's only 19,000, but I don't want any part of Allen High School joining the nBe.

Another SMUfrat thread

(09-27-2012 10:05 AM)SMUfrat Wrote:  If Ohio goes undefeated in football this year, should we add them?

Honestly - it is a 'Big East' school i would compare with Uconn. The basketball team is good and the football team is better than most going into the BE next year. I think they would be a good fit for all sports.

Their stadium needs to be expanded but it looks like the opportunity for growth there is awesome. Ohio is a populous state and a nice 'brand' name to add to the Big East.

Comparable to UConn? Let's see ...

UConn was ranked #58 last year by US News, it's #63 this year (it hovers around #60). Ohio is about #105.

UConn has won three nc's in men's BB, seven in women's BB, three in men's soccer, etc. I don't know of any Ohio nc's.

UConn draws near 40,000 for FB since the Rent opened about 7 years ago. Ohio draws about 20,000(?).

UConn usually sells out in BB on campus (10K) and in Hartford (16K). I doubt Ohio draws half of that.

UConn is the de facto "pro" team in a state of 3.6 million without a pro franchise, where the entire state is within easy driving distance. Ohio is in a rural area, relatively far from Cleveland and Cincinnati.

Ohio is a fine school, but I don't think you can say they are equivalent to UConn.

One thing I do agree on ... they should call themselves "The University of Ohio". That would increase their value without lifting a finger.

Ohio U is a great fit for the MAC but not the Big East. A western school will be the next addition. If a school in the east is needed, it would be either ECU or Umass.

(09-27-2012 07:39 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(09-27-2012 07:00 PM)Duffman Wrote:  this is a joke right? Id rather get that high school in texas that has a stadium that seats 60,000

It's only 19,000, but I don't want any part of Allen High School joining the nBe.

is that the high school bobby hill goes to in the king of the hill?

(09-27-2012 10:12 PM)RUfan03 Wrote:  Ohio U is a great fit for the MAC but not the Big East. A western school will be the next addition. If a school in the east is needed, it would be either ECU or Umass.

UMass should be required to win at least 1 football game at the FBS level before they're considered.

(09-28-2012 08:35 AM)Duffman Wrote:  

(09-27-2012 07:39 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(09-27-2012 07:00 PM)Duffman Wrote:  this is a joke right? Id rather get that high school in texas that has a stadium that seats 60,000

It's only 19,000, but I don't want any part of Allen High School joining the nBe.

is that the high school bobby hill goes to in the king of the hill?

No. It's Allen High School. One of the largest high schools in the country with more than 6,000 students. Just built a $60 million HIGH SCHOOL stadium (with an upper deck!) that seats 19,000 people. . . and, I"m not exaggerating when I say that they would compete well at the Div. I level . . .

http://photographyblog.dallasnews.com/20...ight.html/

(09-27-2012 10:54 AM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(09-27-2012 10:29 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-27-2012 10:13 AM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  

(09-27-2012 10:05 AM)SMUfrat Wrote:  Their stadium needs to be expanded but it looks like the opportunity for growth there is awesome. Ohio is a populous state and a nice 'brand' name to add to the Big East.

The Ohio Bobcats are a brand name? Really?

I would like to share, from the input of a bit of an outsider, Ohio is a bigger brand name than SMU and Temple as of recent, particularly in the past few years. SMU and Temple have been bigger brand names in the past but for the past 5 years it is not the case and doesn't seem to be changing. Seems Houston's brand name is going down the pooper right now too. Ohio, hell Toledo have the potential to become "Boise's" soon if they continue on the path they've been.

1. Bigger brand than SMU and Temple . . . really? Are you serious? Of all the stupid things, I've said on this forum, I've never said anything even close to THAT stupid.

2. Houston's brand "going down the pooper" . . . this is the kind of short-side mentality that got the Big East in this mess in the first place. You need BIG media markets and university athletic programs that can: (1) create TV viewership; (2) sell game-day tickets; and (3) cause big money donors to build great big things on campus . . . Houston has these in abundance. If you don't know this, then you do not understand the direction of the nBe.

3. Ohio and Toledo have ZERO chance to be another Boise in this current market, or under any scenarios in the next 20 years, for so many reasons related to recruiting that are way beyond the point of this thread. So, I'll just say . . . not going to happen in your lifetime.

Funny but Toledo has put over $60 mil in athletic facility upgrades recently including a $10 mil IPF. Word is there will be more upgrades coming. Rockets have led the MAC in FB recruiting the past 3 seasons.
Rockets have several Rivals Top 250 players on the team along with Super Prep and Parade All-Americans. It's not your typical MAC team in an improving Conference. Ohio U hasn't beaten UToledo in FB since 1988. Frank Solich is 0-3 with 2 losses in Athens.

Going to be hard for a mid-major, regional school to move up without a media market or national following (ie., BYU, Air Force, Army, etc.)

http://www.sportstvjobs.com/resources/lo...s-dma.html

(09-27-2012 10:25 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  Ohio University is rural school in southeast Ohio, they are a great fit for the MAC. The MAC doesn't get a lot of respect but it was very good conference at one point and it looks like its getting better. The MAC is one conference that I believe has it right in terms of membership. When Marshall left the conference started to slide down plus the rise of Cincinnati football hurt traditional power Miami.

Ohio University sits 75 miles southeast of Columbus. Next to Ohio State, Ohio usually receives the second most play in the Columbus Media since it is home to Ohio's largest alumni base. Total system enrollment is 38,000 with over 23,000 on the main campus in Athens. The basketball arena seats 13,000, baseball stadium 4,000. The current Peden stadium capacity is 24,000 but can be easily upgraded, expanded and will do so during the $1 billion capital improvements projects getting under way. While capacity is small, fans fill it very week.

Unless the Big East can convince Ohio State to leave BIG, Ohio would be the only university that has the potential to build a statewide following. The reason is simple. It carries the states name OHIO. Cincinnati is great but with all the success they have had they are still pretty much a Cincinnati thing. UC will never gain a statewide following. Will people in Cleveland, Akron, Canton, Columbus, Dayton and Toledo ever get behind a team from Cincinnati. No. A school that carries only the states name will have more appeal to the casual fan in Ohio. If a family in Cleveland turns on a game and it's Ohio vs.Louisville they are more likely to be interested than if it's Cincinnati vs. Louisville.

Just my thoughts

(09-28-2012 10:37 PM)Gallia Cat Wrote:  If a family in Cleveland turns on a game and it's Ohio vs.Louisville they are more likely to be interested than if it's Cincinnati vs. Louisville.

That hasn't been my experience with living in Ohio but to each his own. I'm sure Ohio has solid support in the rural SE corner of the state, but I just haven't seen that support in the other 75% of the state.

(09-27-2012 10:05 AM)SMUfrat Wrote:  If Ohio goes undefeated in football this year, should we add them?

Honestly - it is a 'Big East' school i would compare with Uconn. The basketball team is good and the football team is better than most going into the BE next year. I think they would be a good fit for all sports.

Their stadium needs to be expanded but it looks like the opportunity for growth there is awesome. Ohio is a populous state and a nice 'brand' name to add to the Big East.

If you don't have any idea about how expansion works, why post about expansion? It's not about who has a good year. It's about increasing the size of the revenue pie.

BYU is the clear 1st choice for Team 14. Air Force is the clear 2nd choice.

If we go to 16, it will be because both BYU and Air Force want to come. In that case, we are looking at Army, Fresno or East Carolina for #16.

(09-28-2012 10:37 PM)Gallia Cat Wrote:  

(09-27-2012 10:25 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  Ohio University is rural school in southeast Ohio, they are a great fit for the MAC. The MAC doesn't get a lot of respect but it was very good conference at one point and it looks like its getting better. The MAC is one conference that I believe has it right in terms of membership. When Marshall left the conference started to slide down plus the rise of Cincinnati football hurt traditional power Miami.

Ohio University sits 75 miles southeast of Columbus. Next to Ohio State, Ohio usually receives the second most play in the Columbus Media since it is home to Ohio's largest alumni base. Total system enrollment is 38,000 with over 23,000 on the main campus in Athens. The basketball arena seats 13,000, baseball stadium 4,000. The current Peden stadium capacity is 24,000 but can be easily upgraded, expanded and will do so during the $1 billion capital improvements projects getting under way. While capacity is small, fans fill it very week.

Unless the Big East can convince Ohio State to leave BIG, Ohio would be the only university that has the potential to build a statewide following. The reason is simple. It carries the states name OHIO. Cincinnati is great but with all the success they have had they are still pretty much a Cincinnati thing. UC will never gain a statewide following. Will people in Cleveland, Akron, Canton, Columbus, Dayton and Toledo ever get behind a team from Cincinnati. No. A school that carries only the states name will have more appeal to the casual fan in Ohio. If a family in Cleveland turns on a game and it's Ohio vs.Louisville they are more likely to be interested than if it's Cincinnati vs. Louisville.

Just my thoughts

Sorry, but

I love Ohio U and most UC fans support Ohio U as well. Ohio U is the original State University of Ohio and deserves everyone's respect academically, historically, and athletically. That said, there isn't a chance in hell they get into the Big East.

It makes me laugh when I hear OU fans refer to being 75 miles away from Columbus. That is correct, but they conveniently leave out the fact that they are in ATHENS. Athens is beautiful, but more deer and bears live within an hour drive of Athens than people. Sure you're only an hour or so from Columbus, but Columbus has a team. You drive an hour in any other direction and you're stuck in buttf&ck West Virginia or Kentucky without TVs or people. I hate to say it, but there is absolutely no media market for your team. Ohioans with no tie to the University watch the games, but that's only because everyone likes an underdog, especially when they represent your State.

If Ohio ever gets a shot at a bigger conference, it will be for one reason that I'm shocked no Ohio U fan ever brings up; your famous and powerful journalism alumni. Ohio University is a Scripps Journalism School and has many powerful alumni throughout the media industry. If they ever get a shot, it will be from Alumni pressure within the television stations making the media contract decisions.

I hope no fans take this as arrogance or hatred, but the fact is, there are no TVs to sell your team to a bigger conference. If you don't believe me, look at ECU as a case study. They have proven they can compete on the field, they pack a huge stadium, and they are constantly left on the outside looking in simply because of their location. Unfortunately, you're in the same boat. It's the same reason you're the original State University of Ohio, yet are not considered the flagship school for the state. Location is everything.

(09-29-2012 07:39 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(09-28-2012 10:37 PM)Gallia Cat Wrote:  

(09-27-2012 10:25 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  Ohio University is rural school in southeast Ohio, they are a great fit for the MAC. The MAC doesn't get a lot of respect but it was very good conference at one point and it looks like its getting better. The MAC is one conference that I believe has it right in terms of membership. When Marshall left the conference started to slide down plus the rise of Cincinnati football hurt traditional power Miami.

Ohio University sits 75 miles southeast of Columbus. Next to Ohio State, Ohio usually receives the second most play in the Columbus Media since it is home to Ohio's largest alumni base. Total system enrollment is 38,000 with over 23,000 on the main campus in Athens. The basketball arena seats 13,000, baseball stadium 4,000. The current Peden stadium capacity is 24,000 but can be easily upgraded, expanded and will do so during the $1 billion capital improvements projects getting under way. While capacity is small, fans fill it very week.

Unless the Big East can convince Ohio State to leave BIG, Ohio would be the only university that has the potential to build a statewide following. The reason is simple. It carries the states name OHIO. Cincinnati is great but with all the success they have had they are still pretty much a Cincinnati thing. UC will never gain a statewide following. Will people in Cleveland, Akron, Canton, Columbus, Dayton and Toledo ever get behind a team from Cincinnati. No. A school that carries only the states name will have more appeal to the casual fan in Ohio. If a family in Cleveland turns on a game and it's Ohio vs.Louisville they are more likely to be interested than if it's Cincinnati vs. Louisville.

Just my thoughts

Sorry, but

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Folks I did not start the this thread just commenting on it. Here are some example of smallish town in rural ares that have universities that own states name. State College, Oxford, Starksville, Morgantown,Blacksburg, Bloomington, Pulman, Stilwater, Norman, Champaign, Ames, Iowa City, Athens (GA), Columia(mo), etc. When a university carries the states name the size of the immediate market is not as important. If a forward thinking conference (probably rules Big East out), was looking at universities with long term potential Ohio might be a candidate. THE FOLLOWING IS JUST AN EXAMPLE SO DON'T LOSE YOUR MINDS. If Big 12 or ACC ever added Ohio, it would easily become the second most popular college property in the state of Ohio. Cincinnati will always be just a Cincinnati thing with a some alumni scattered here and there. UC has built a great program in football and basketball but outside of Cincinnati you never here about them. Actually I have never met a UC fan. Louisville may have a little more support statewide in Kentucky but not much and U of L has unbelieveable success. Kentucky is Big Blue crazy.

Once again, I don't think OU is a fit for Big East. Personally I want Ohio to become the Boise State of MAC. The Big East is destined to explode some day anyway. Routers and UConn will end up in ACC and Louisville will be headed to Big 12. I don't see Big 12 taking UC or Memphis.