I'd argue that Dan Enos has the most to worry about, but that's not a secret. Every team has graduation losses and the Chippewas had some fine recruits when he came in. There is no excuse for six wins in two seasons. Not after the dynasty that his predecessors had built.

http://themacdaily.com/?p=1036

(07-25-2012 09:02 AM)psc2009 Wrote:  I'd argue that Dan Enos has the most to worry about, but that's not a secret. Every team has graduation losses and the Chippewas had some fine recruits when he came in. There is no excuse for six wins in two seasons. Not after the dynasty that his predecessors had built.

http://themacdaily.com/?p=1036

1). Enos. Definitely. Needs a good effort vs MSU.

2). Quinn. I just never saw him from day ONE! Just like Patton (hoops) at NIU. If I were an AD they wouldn't have even gotten a 2nd interview.

http://www.csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid...pid8014484

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...y/19418910

I'd say Enos. Quinn, not so much. I think Quinn will get more time to rebuild the program at UB.

Bill Cubit isn't totally safe. 2-5 against CMU, 0 West titles, 0 bowl wins, and a few underachieving conference seasons have overshadowed how consistently good his program has been. He could really use a big season this year with a senior QB & NIU and Toledo at home. Another loss in Mt. Pleasant and getting caught from behind by EMU would really erode his base of support and make a change possible.

(07-25-2012 09:29 AM)Liam9903 Wrote:  Bill Cubit isn't totally safe. 2-5 against CMU, 0 West titles, 0 bowl wins, and a few underachieving conference seasons have overshadowed how consistently good his program has been.

How do you define "underachieving" (separate from "2-5 against CMU, 0 West titles, 0 bowl wins") , "consistently good" and fit it all in 7 years?

(07-25-2012 10:08 AM)BarnardHall211 Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:29 AM)Liam9903 Wrote:  Bill Cubit isn't totally safe. 2-5 against CMU, 0 West titles, 0 bowl wins, and a few underachieving conference seasons have overshadowed how consistently good his program has been.

How do you define "underachieving" (separate from "2-5 against CMU, 0 West titles, 0 bowl wins") , "consistently good" and fit it all in 7 years?

Well, its pretty simple.

WMU has underachieved in that he's had a losing record against CMU, 0 West titles, and 0 bowl wins.

However, WMU has been consistently good. ie-winning MAC record(34-21), winning overall record (47-39), 3 bowl games in 8 years, and has avoided the dreaded 3-9 seasons (never won less than 5 games).


So, while he has been good...he hasn't been quite good enough to really make everyone happy.

Cubit would have to go 2-10 or worse to actually get fired.

(07-25-2012 11:00 AM)bronconick Wrote:  Cubit would have to go 2-10 or worse to actually get fired.

What if WMU lost to EMU, CMU, NIU & Toledo this season?

I don't know what it would take for him to actually get fired. I think it would have to be more than the program being frustratingly above average. If he beats CMU, wins the west, and wins a bowl he'd probably be able to retire at WMU. Its just that the longer he goes without breaking through the more frustration in the fan base and apathy amongst students and alumnit

(07-25-2012 11:23 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 11:00 AM)bronconick Wrote:  Cubit would have to go 2-10 or worse to actually get fired.

What if WMU lost to EMU, CMU, NIU & Toledo this season?

His current contract runs thru 2013.

His worst record is 5-7 (twice). The prevailing thought is that unless the wheels completely come off, he's earned the right to coach thru his contract. That might not be shared with everyone, but its the safe bet considering our admin's history.

Hypothetically, if he loses to those 4 teams, it's likely that we go 3-9 or 4-8. While seemingly far-fetched right now, I can guarantee you the Bronco faithful with have their pitchforks out. Why, because 3 of those 4 games are at home, EMU is not looked at as an upper MAC team yet, CMU woes continue, and we obviously haven't been able to solve NIU or Toledo for 3 straight years.

To be completely honest, if that situation happened, I would rather our admin get serious and dish out the money for a legit DC rather than spending on a one year buyout for Cubit.

Our offense isn't the issue. Our defense has been horrendous and we are on our 4th DC since Cubit took over.

(07-25-2012 11:30 AM)Liam9903 Wrote:  I don't know what it would take for him to actually get fired. I think it would have to be more than the program being frustratingly above average. If he beats CMU, wins the west, and wins a bowl he'd probably be able to retire at WMU. Its just that the longer he goes without breaking through the more frustration in the fan base and apathy amongst students and alumnit

^this

Putting an ultimatum on the situation really isn't possible. But the natives are getting restless.

Are there any natives anywhere happy unless their team is winning championships or showing consistent improvement over 1-3 years? The natives will be restless in Athens if Ohio U were finish 3rd in the East and get left out of a bowl. They will be restless in Toledo if the team finishes 4th or so. It's a small group that can say they are happy with their coach if they don't finish first or second.

(07-25-2012 12:07 PM)axeme Wrote:  Are there any natives anywhere happy unless their team is winning championships or showing consistent improvement over 1-3 years? The natives will be restless in Athens if Ohio U were finish 3rd in the East and get left out of a bowl. They will be restless in Toledo if the team finishes 4th or so. It's a small group that can say they are happy with their coach if they don't finish first or second.

I agree...

But it's ultra frustrating when your team is "on the verge" every single year...and can't break thru.

(07-25-2012 10:32 AM)EA3 Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 10:08 AM)BarnardHall211 Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:29 AM)Liam9903 Wrote:  Bill Cubit isn't totally safe. 2-5 against CMU, 0 West titles, 0 bowl wins, and a few underachieving conference seasons have overshadowed how consistently good his program has been.

How do you define "underachieving" (separate from "2-5 against CMU, 0 West titles, 0 bowl wins") , "consistently good" and fit it all in 7 years?

Well, its pretty simple.

WMU has underachieved in that he's had a losing record against CMU, 0 West titles, and 0 bowl wins.

Ah, you're doing the LK "only the past few years count" routine. I look at 65 years of Western in the MAC, and I see a whole lot of "meh".

Now if you had Miami's history, I could see calling it underachieving.

(07-25-2012 12:11 PM)BarnardHall211 Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 10:32 AM)EA3 Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 10:08 AM)BarnardHall211 Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:29 AM)Liam9903 Wrote:  Bill Cubit isn't totally safe. 2-5 against CMU, 0 West titles, 0 bowl wins, and a few underachieving conference seasons have overshadowed how consistently good his program has been.

How do you define "underachieving" (separate from "2-5 against CMU, 0 West titles, 0 bowl wins") , "consistently good" and fit it all in 7 years?

Well, its pretty simple.

WMU has underachieved in that he's had a losing record against CMU, 0 West titles, and 0 bowl wins.

Ah, you're doing the LK "only the past few years count" routine. I look at 65 years of Western in the MAC, and I see a whole lot of "meh".

Now if you had Miami's history, I could see calling it underachieving.

Keep living in the past....I'm sure it makes you feel better about Enos.

I look at CMU and I see a huge mess...everywhere...

(07-25-2012 12:16 PM)EA3 Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 12:11 PM)BarnardHall211 Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 10:32 AM)EA3 Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 10:08 AM)BarnardHall211 Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:29 AM)Liam9903 Wrote:  Bill Cubit isn't totally safe. 2-5 against CMU, 0 West titles, 0 bowl wins, and a few underachieving conference seasons have overshadowed how consistently good his program has been.

How do you define "underachieving" (separate from "2-5 against CMU, 0 West titles, 0 bowl wins") , "consistently good" and fit it all in 7 years?

Well, its pretty simple.

WMU has underachieved in that he's had a losing record against CMU, 0 West titles, and 0 bowl wins.

Ah, you're doing the LK "only the past few years count" routine. I look at 65 years of Western in the MAC, and I see a whole lot of "meh".

Now if you had Miami's history, I could see calling it underachieving.

Keep living in the past....I'm sure it makes you feel better about Enos.

I look at CMU and I see a huge mess...everywhere...

No excuses, CMU beat us last year. But when they come to DeKalb September 29th, it's gonna be:

Enos is in danger if he wins 3 or 4 games this year, IMO. But what coach isn't? He has built a couple of very good recruiting classes and should have some good teams in the upcoming years. I think they will surprise some people this year.

As for living in the past, I'll take CMU's record over WMU's during Cubit's tenure.

(07-25-2012 01:05 PM)CMUprof Wrote:  Enos is in danger if he wins 3 or 4 games this year, IMO. But what coach isn't? He has built a couple of very good recruiting classes and should have some good teams in the upcoming years. I think they will surprise some people this year.

As for living in the past, I'll take CMU's record over WMU's during Cubit's tenure.

Here is my semi neutral take as I root against both programs about equally but hate neither. First off I'd take either of their records over what we have got here at EMU. They have a neat rivalry and some stuff to be proud of. That being said historically CMU seems to be boom or bust. Whereas WMU seems to be always around third place. I wonder if another program has finished 3rd in the MAC more than they have since joining?

CMU will go through more coaches but will get the right one eventually after suffering a few mistakes, WMU will ride it out with their coaches and give them more than enough time before it ends badly. The next guy will come in and turn them right back into a 3rd place team for another decade or so. CMU is bolder and as they say "fortune favors the bold"...but not every year.

(07-25-2012 11:00 AM)bronconick Wrote:  Cubit would have to go 2-10 or worse to actually get fired.

Bingo, and that's why he is where he is. He's consistently recruited well, his made a difference in the community and most importantly, the administration loves him. The bad losses to CMU aside, he'd have to have a nightmarish year to not keep his job. Even then, I'd argue he's safe. Does anybody remember Gary Darnell?