(07-30-2012 11:45 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 10:59 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 10:50 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  They(Purdue) were certainly good enough to knock off a Notre Dame team the next Saturday coming off a win over a decent Georgia Tech team.

Pfft. Tech was 7-5 ND 7-6.

Notre Dame hasn't been Notrre Dame for 20 years. And in '97 the coach was Bob Davie!

Next you'll be bragging about the glorious triumph over a 4-7 Penn State team (who also lost at home to Minnesota same season).

The Broncos must have been really bad when an 8-5 ND beat them by 4 TDs in 2010. Also glad to know that WMU wasn't a decent team either last season at 7-6 when it's implied that GT(7-5) was not a "decent" team with a Bowl win over WVU(7-5) in '97.

Our recent defensive woes are no secret. We've been pretty good offensively, at least through the air.

Decent team? Only three points worse than you on your field last Fall.

Anybody else besides Boca consider Purdue a top-tier Big Ten team, much less BCS?

Bueller?...Bueller?...Bueller?

(07-30-2012 12:33 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-27-2012 07:59 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  

(07-27-2012 03:17 PM)7 Wrote:  Woah, woah, woah Toledo had the best MAC Bowl last year? Western Michigan got to play a Big 10 team in their own state. NIU played another 10 win conference champion. Sure, it was better than Ohio's.

i would argue OUrs was better just because it was us and we won in dramatic fashion! that's all i need to know.

I would argue after losing a championship game why even go to a bowl, noone ends up caring about it.

I disagree. I was very happy the Huskies got to play Fresno after losing the MACC in 2010. It was a team with some name recognition, they played on the Smurf Turf, and they won handily. Pretty nice.

(07-30-2012 04:59 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 12:33 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-27-2012 07:59 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  

(07-27-2012 03:17 PM)7 Wrote:  Woah, woah, woah Toledo had the best MAC Bowl last year? Western Michigan got to play a Big 10 team in their own state. NIU played another 10 win conference champion. Sure, it was better than Ohio's.

i would argue OUrs was better just because it was us and we won in dramatic fashion! that's all i need to know.

I would argue after losing a championship game why even go to a bowl, noone ends up caring about it.

I disagree. I was very happy the Huskies got to play Fresno after losing the MACC in 2010. It was a team with some name recognition, they played on the Smurf Turf, and they won handily. Pretty nice.

Yup it took the bad taste of your mouth a little bit heading to the offseason.

(07-30-2012 05:26 PM)7 Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 04:59 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 12:33 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-27-2012 07:59 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  

(07-27-2012 03:17 PM)7 Wrote:  Woah, woah, woah Toledo had the best MAC Bowl last year? Western Michigan got to play a Big 10 team in their own state. NIU played another 10 win conference champion. Sure, it was better than Ohio's.

i would argue OUrs was better just because it was us and we won in dramatic fashion! that's all i need to know.

I would argue after losing a championship game why even go to a bowl, noone ends up caring about it.

I disagree. I was very happy the Huskies got to play Fresno after losing the MACC in 2010. It was a team with some name recognition, they played on the Smurf Turf, and they won handily. Pretty nice.

Yup it took the bad taste of your mouth a little bit heading to the offseason.

Celebrating on the field at Boise with all the NIU fans, the team and the band, with the snow coming down, will always be one of favorite memories! Those players felt like Champions because they not only beat a good Fresno team, they kicked their asses!

To me, it was total redemption for them after the disappointment of the MACC.

(07-30-2012 08:30 AM)EA3 Wrote:  1. Cincy will no doubt have a significant numbers of fans at the game. Am I suppose to just accept the fact that EVERYONE in attendance is rooting for Toledo?

Are you assuming that Cincinnati's ticket allotment will be higher than NIU's or are you insinuating that a MAC team doesn't travel? I'm asking because I honestly don't know which angle you're taking with that one. Or are you insinuating that it is a much easier ride to Toledo from Cincinnati than Dekalb? If that's the case, when I lived in Oxford, my drive to Toledo was about 3.5 hours I believe. Now that I live in Chicago, my drive is about 4 or 4.25 hours. Dekalb is about another hour from here and it used to take me about 45 minutes to get from Oxford to downtown Cincinnati. So, I'm guessing that it's probably a difference of an hour or hour and a half closer for Cincinnati. I can tell you that the drive from here to Toledo doesn't feel any different than my drive used to feel down there except that driving through Indiana is more boring than driving up and down 75. I can tell you as a Toledo fan who has been at Toledo games, we have more of our own fans at those games than at conference games...the visitor's section is always in the same spot on the east side of the stadium regardless who we are playing. We don't add seats for visiting teams' fans.

Quote:2. A MAC team playing a BCS school at home is a treat. It's not normal and it rarely happens. It certainly hasn't been an every year occasion for our teams.

Hell yeah it is. But it seems like we usually have one per year at UT and we find some to be more important than others. For example, I think the Cincinnati game will be more important than a Minnesota or Iowa State.

Quote:No doubt your fans will be fired up about the game.

Hell yeah we will! [peter griffin voice]One could almost say it's...important[/peter griffin voice]...to us. :-)

Quote:When it's all said and done, your game against Cincy is nice, and your fans are going to be fired up, and no doubt it is a great opportunity for Toledo....but it pales in comparison to winning the MAC.

Pales in comparison to you. I'm speaking about our fan base in general. Some Toledo fans would disagree with me and agree with you but a greater majority of Toledo fans show they have a greater interest in games such as the Cincinnati game by paying higher ticket prices and coming in greater numbers. If they weren't more interested in it, why would they pay more and come out heavier?

I'm not saying that I don't want to see Toledo win against WMU or NIU because I do and a loss is a disappointment but if they could only win one game of a WMU/Cincinnati or NIU/Cincinnati choice, I would pick Cincinnati. To our program, I think a Cincinnati win has a greater impact for the fan base and recruiting base. I am 1000% honest when I say I was more disappointed with the Ohio State loss last year than I was the NIU loss.

Quote:The fact that you didn't know about CMU's recent success is slightly frightening.

I knew about their success and watched CMU play Toledo while Lefevour was there, I just didn't realize they won 3 MAC titles while he was there. Hell, I can't even tell you who won the MAC in basketball 2 years ago but I'd guess that it was either Ohio, Akron, Buffalo, or if not any of those three, then probably Kent State. But I do know that those teams have had a lot of recent success.

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Quote:Using attendance as a way to judge the important of a game is completely flawed.

Toledo fans attend games that they view as being important and are even willing to pay more money for those that they view as being most important. Other than perceived importance, the biggest factors that affect attendance are weather and whether or not it is the home opener because everyone is simply excited that football is back finally. I'm guessing that is when your FCS games are scheduled that you are speaking of and I would agree that it will probably be one of your more highly attended games if that's the case. I don't understand why more of your fans would come out to watch the Huskies play Kansas than they would WMU or Toledo if they weren't more interested in seeing your team beat Kansas than WMU or Toledo. The good news for my offer though is that Cincinnati is deep in the schedule, so is definitely not the home opener.

But hey fellas, I don't blame you. If I were taking your stance, I wouldn't take me up on my bet either.

Oh, and I guarantee that I'd place a higher value on a MAC title if that were the only way my Rockets could get a bowl game. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't want them to win it, all I've said is that it is further down the list than others.

(07-30-2012 01:50 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Anybody else besides Boca consider Purdue a top-tier Big Ten team, much less BCS?

Bueller?...Bueller?...Bueller?

Obviously not now, but in '97 they did finish #15 in the AP poll.
At least the Boilermakers have won Bowl games.

(07-31-2012 01:39 AM)Campbell4President Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 08:30 AM)EA3 Wrote:  1. Cincy will no doubt have a significant numbers of fans at the game. Am I suppose to just accept the fact that EVERYONE in attendance is rooting for Toledo?

Are you assuming that Cincinnati's ticket allotment will be higher than NIU's or are you insinuating that a MAC team doesn't travel? I'm asking because I honestly don't know which angle you're taking with that one. Or are you insinuating that it is a much easier ride to Toledo from Cincinnati than Dekalb? If that's the case, when I lived in Oxford, my drive to Toledo was about 3.5 hours I believe. Now that I live in Chicago, my drive is about 4 or 4.25 hours. Dekalb is about another hour from here and it used to take me about 45 minutes to get from Oxford to downtown Cincinnati. So, I'm guessing that it's probably a difference of an hour or hour and a half closer for Cincinnati. I can tell you that the drive from here to Toledo doesn't feel any different than my drive used to feel down there except that driving through Indiana is more boring than driving up and down 75. I can tell you as a Toledo fan who has been at Toledo games, we have more of our own fans at those games than at conference games...the visitor's section is always in the same spot on the east side of the stadium regardless who we are playing. We don't add seats for visiting teams' fans.

Quote:2. A MAC team playing a BCS school at home is a treat. It's not normal and it rarely happens. It certainly hasn't been an every year occasion for our teams.

Hell yeah it is. But it seems like we usually have one per year at UT and we find some to be more important than others. For example, I think the Cincinnati game will be more important than a Minnesota or Iowa State.

Quote:No doubt your fans will be fired up about the game.

Hell yeah we will! [peter griffin voice]One could almost say it's...important[/peter griffin voice]...to us. :-)

Quote:When it's all said and done, your game against Cincy is nice, and your fans are going to be fired up, and no doubt it is a great opportunity for Toledo....but it pales in comparison to winning the MAC.

Pales in comparison to you. I'm speaking about our fan base in general. Some Toledo fans would disagree with me and agree with you but a greater majority of Toledo fans show they have a greater interest in games such as the Cincinnati game by paying higher ticket prices and coming in greater numbers. If they weren't more interested in it, why would they pay more and come out heavier?

I'm not saying that I don't want to see Toledo win against WMU or NIU because I do and a loss is a disappointment but if they could only win one game of a WMU/Cincinnati or NIU/Cincinnati choice, I would pick Cincinnati. To our program, I think a Cincinnati win has a greater impact for the fan base and recruiting base. I am 1000% honest when I say I was more disappointed with the Ohio State loss last year than I was the NIU loss.

Quote:The fact that you didn't know about CMU's recent success is slightly frightening.

I knew about their success and watched CMU play Toledo while Lefevour was there, I just didn't realize they won 3 MAC titles while he was there. Hell, I can't even tell you who won the MAC in basketball 2 years ago but I'd guess that it was either Ohio, Akron, Buffalo, or if not any of those three, then probably Kent State. But I do know that those teams have had a lot of recent success.

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Quote:Using attendance as a way to judge the important of a game is completely flawed.

Toledo fans attend games that they view as being important and are even willing to pay more money for those that they view as being most important. Other than perceived importance, the biggest factors that affect attendance are weather and whether or not it is the home opener because everyone is simply excited that football is back finally. I'm guessing that is when your FCS games are scheduled that you are speaking of and I would agree that it will probably be one of your more highly attended games if that's the case. I don't understand why more of your fans would come out to watch the Huskies play Kansas than they would WMU or Toledo if they weren't more interested in seeing your team beat Kansas than WMU or Toledo. The good news for my offer though is that Cincinnati is deep in the schedule, so is definitely not the home opener.

But hey fellas, I don't blame you. If I were taking your stance, I wouldn't take me up on my bet either.

Oh, and I guarantee that I'd place a higher value on a MAC title if that were the only way my Rockets could get a bowl game. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't want them to win it, all I've said is that it is further down the list than others.

Again, your priorities are extremely out of whack. Your lengthy post isn't worth addressing.

Keep telling yourself that the MACC isn't the end goal. It lessens the sting when you don't get there.

(07-30-2012 12:33 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-27-2012 07:59 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  

(07-27-2012 03:17 PM)7 Wrote:  Woah, woah, woah Toledo had the best MAC Bowl last year? Western Michigan got to play a Big 10 team in their own state. NIU played another 10 win conference champion. Sure, it was better than Ohio's.

i would argue OUrs was better just because it was us and we won in dramatic fashion! that's all i need to know.

I would argue after losing a championship game why even go to a bowl, noone ends up caring about it.

trust me, OHIO fans cared and cared deeply about it.

(07-31-2012 08:12 AM)EA3 Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 01:39 AM)Campbell4President Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 08:30 AM)EA3 Wrote:  1. Cincy will no doubt have a significant numbers of fans at the game. Am I suppose to just accept the fact that EVERYONE in attendance is rooting for Toledo?

Are you assuming that Cincinnati's ticket allotment will be higher than NIU's or are you insinuating that a MAC team doesn't travel? I'm asking because I honestly don't know which angle you're taking with that one. Or are you insinuating that it is a much easier ride to Toledo from Cincinnati than Dekalb? If that's the case, when I lived in Oxford, my drive to Toledo was about 3.5 hours I believe. Now that I live in Chicago, my drive is about 4 or 4.25 hours. Dekalb is about another hour from here and it used to take me about 45 minutes to get from Oxford to downtown Cincinnati. So, I'm guessing that it's probably a difference of an hour or hour and a half closer for Cincinnati. I can tell you that the drive from here to Toledo doesn't feel any different than my drive used to feel down there except that driving through Indiana is more boring than driving up and down 75. I can tell you as a Toledo fan who has been at Toledo games, we have more of our own fans at those games than at conference games...the visitor's section is always in the same spot on the east side of the stadium regardless who we are playing. We don't add seats for visiting teams' fans.

Quote:2. A MAC team playing a BCS school at home is a treat. It's not normal and it rarely happens. It certainly hasn't been an every year occasion for our teams.

Hell yeah it is. But it seems like we usually have one per year at UT and we find some to be more important than others. For example, I think the Cincinnati game will be more important than a Minnesota or Iowa State.

Quote:No doubt your fans will be fired up about the game.

Hell yeah we will! [peter griffin voice]One could almost say it's...important[/peter griffin voice]...to us. :-)

Quote:When it's all said and done, your game against Cincy is nice, and your fans are going to be fired up, and no doubt it is a great opportunity for Toledo....but it pales in comparison to winning the MAC.

Pales in comparison to you. I'm speaking about our fan base in general. Some Toledo fans would disagree with me and agree with you but a greater majority of Toledo fans show they have a greater interest in games such as the Cincinnati game by paying higher ticket prices and coming in greater numbers. If they weren't more interested in it, why would they pay more and come out heavier?

I'm not saying that I don't want to see Toledo win against WMU or NIU because I do and a loss is a disappointment but if they could only win one game of a WMU/Cincinnati or NIU/Cincinnati choice, I would pick Cincinnati. To our program, I think a Cincinnati win has a greater impact for the fan base and recruiting base. I am 1000% honest when I say I was more disappointed with the Ohio State loss last year than I was the NIU loss.

Quote:The fact that you didn't know about CMU's recent success is slightly frightening.

I knew about their success and watched CMU play Toledo while Lefevour was there, I just didn't realize they won 3 MAC titles while he was there. Hell, I can't even tell you who won the MAC in basketball 2 years ago but I'd guess that it was either Ohio, Akron, Buffalo, or if not any of those three, then probably Kent State. But I do know that those teams have had a lot of recent success.

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Quote:Using attendance as a way to judge the important of a game is completely flawed.

Toledo fans attend games that they view as being important and are even willing to pay more money for those that they view as being most important. Other than perceived importance, the biggest factors that affect attendance are weather and whether or not it is the home opener because everyone is simply excited that football is back finally. I'm guessing that is when your FCS games are scheduled that you are speaking of and I would agree that it will probably be one of your more highly attended games if that's the case. I don't understand why more of your fans would come out to watch the Huskies play Kansas than they would WMU or Toledo if they weren't more interested in seeing your team beat Kansas than WMU or Toledo. The good news for my offer though is that Cincinnati is deep in the schedule, so is definitely not the home opener.

But hey fellas, I don't blame you. If I were taking your stance, I wouldn't take me up on my bet either.

Oh, and I guarantee that I'd place a higher value on a MAC title if that were the only way my Rockets could get a bowl game. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't want them to win it, all I've said is that it is further down the list than others.

Again, your priorities are extremely out of whack. Your lengthy post isn't worth addressing.

Keep telling yourself that the MACC isn't the end goal. It lessens the sting when you don't get there.

When you've been there 7 times might not have the same meaning as
being there once or twice. There is definitely a number of Rocket fans given the choice between tickets to the Florida Gator/UT game or an OU/Toledo match-up in the MACC, would choose the game at UF.

(07-31-2012 01:39 AM)Campbell4President Wrote:  Hell yeah it is. But it seems like we usually have one per year at UT and we find some to be more important than others. For example, I think the Cincinnati game will be more important than a Minnesota or Iowa State.

Depends on the team and their priorities. I think you have to go back to 2007 for the last time UB did not have a Home Game against an AQ team, and I know were set going forward to 2015 (though I fully expect Boston college to weasel out).

But you've hit the nail on the head with importance and that's where I think UB did well. Pitt and UConn are, geographically, some of the closest AQ schools to Buffalo (Syracuse won't do a 1:1 with the Bulls so we have had no interest in/from them)..

I know Buffalo just sealed up a bunch of home and homes with Army (6 hours down 90).

(07-31-2012 11:50 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 08:12 AM)EA3 Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 01:39 AM)Campbell4President Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 08:30 AM)EA3 Wrote:  1. Cincy will no doubt have a significant numbers of fans at the game. Am I suppose to just accept the fact that EVERYONE in attendance is rooting for Toledo?

Are you assuming that Cincinnati's ticket allotment will be higher than NIU's or are you insinuating that a MAC team doesn't travel? I'm asking because I honestly don't know which angle you're taking with that one. Or are you insinuating that it is a much easier ride to Toledo from Cincinnati than Dekalb? If that's the case, when I lived in Oxford, my drive to Toledo was about 3.5 hours I believe. Now that I live in Chicago, my drive is about 4 or 4.25 hours. Dekalb is about another hour from here and it used to take me about 45 minutes to get from Oxford to downtown Cincinnati. So, I'm guessing that it's probably a difference of an hour or hour and a half closer for Cincinnati. I can tell you that the drive from here to Toledo doesn't feel any different than my drive used to feel down there except that driving through Indiana is more boring than driving up and down 75. I can tell you as a Toledo fan who has been at Toledo games, we have more of our own fans at those games than at conference games...the visitor's section is always in the same spot on the east side of the stadium regardless who we are playing. We don't add seats for visiting teams' fans.

Quote:2. A MAC team playing a BCS school at home is a treat. It's not normal and it rarely happens. It certainly hasn't been an every year occasion for our teams.

Hell yeah it is. But it seems like we usually have one per year at UT and we find some to be more important than others. For example, I think the Cincinnati game will be more important than a Minnesota or Iowa State.

Quote:No doubt your fans will be fired up about the game.

Hell yeah we will! [peter griffin voice]One could almost say it's...important[/peter griffin voice]...to us. :-)

Quote:When it's all said and done, your game against Cincy is nice, and your fans are going to be fired up, and no doubt it is a great opportunity for Toledo....but it pales in comparison to winning the MAC.

Pales in comparison to you. I'm speaking about our fan base in general. Some Toledo fans would disagree with me and agree with you but a greater majority of Toledo fans show they have a greater interest in games such as the Cincinnati game by paying higher ticket prices and coming in greater numbers. If they weren't more interested in it, why would they pay more and come out heavier?

I'm not saying that I don't want to see Toledo win against WMU or NIU because I do and a loss is a disappointment but if they could only win one game of a WMU/Cincinnati or NIU/Cincinnati choice, I would pick Cincinnati. To our program, I think a Cincinnati win has a greater impact for the fan base and recruiting base. I am 1000% honest when I say I was more disappointed with the Ohio State loss last year than I was the NIU loss.

Quote:The fact that you didn't know about CMU's recent success is slightly frightening.

I knew about their success and watched CMU play Toledo while Lefevour was there, I just didn't realize they won 3 MAC titles while he was there. Hell, I can't even tell you who won the MAC in basketball 2 years ago but I'd guess that it was either Ohio, Akron, Buffalo, or if not any of those three, then probably Kent State. But I do know that those teams have had a lot of recent success.

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Quote:Using attendance as a way to judge the important of a game is completely flawed.

Toledo fans attend games that they view as being important and are even willing to pay more money for those that they view as being most important. Other than perceived importance, the biggest factors that affect attendance are weather and whether or not it is the home opener because everyone is simply excited that football is back finally. I'm guessing that is when your FCS games are scheduled that you are speaking of and I would agree that it will probably be one of your more highly attended games if that's the case. I don't understand why more of your fans would come out to watch the Huskies play Kansas than they would WMU or Toledo if they weren't more interested in seeing your team beat Kansas than WMU or Toledo. The good news for my offer though is that Cincinnati is deep in the schedule, so is definitely not the home opener.

But hey fellas, I don't blame you. If I were taking your stance, I wouldn't take me up on my bet either.

Oh, and I guarantee that I'd place a higher value on a MAC title if that were the only way my Rockets could get a bowl game. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't want them to win it, all I've said is that it is further down the list than others.

Again, your priorities are extremely out of whack. Your lengthy post isn't worth addressing.

Keep telling yourself that the MACC isn't the end goal. It lessens the sting when you don't get there.

When you've been there 7 times might not have the same meaning as
being there once or twice. There is definitely a number of Rocket fans given the choice between tickets to the Florida Gator/UT game or an OU/Toledo match-up in the MACC, would choose the game at UF.

We've been there 3 times since the last time Toledo was there.

Your priorities are still out of whack.

(08-01-2012 01:51 AM)7 Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 11:50 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 08:12 AM)EA3 Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 01:39 AM)Campbell4President Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 08:30 AM)EA3 Wrote:  1. Cincy will no doubt have a significant numbers of fans at the game. Am I suppose to just accept the fact that EVERYONE in attendance is rooting for Toledo?

Are you assuming that Cincinnati's ticket allotment will be higher than NIU's or are you insinuating that a MAC team doesn't travel? I'm asking because I honestly don't know which angle you're taking with that one. Or are you insinuating that it is a much easier ride to Toledo from Cincinnati than Dekalb? If that's the case, when I lived in Oxford, my drive to Toledo was about 3.5 hours I believe. Now that I live in Chicago, my drive is about 4 or 4.25 hours. Dekalb is about another hour from here and it used to take me about 45 minutes to get from Oxford to downtown Cincinnati. So, I'm guessing that it's probably a difference of an hour or hour and a half closer for Cincinnati. I can tell you that the drive from here to Toledo doesn't feel any different than my drive used to feel down there except that driving through Indiana is more boring than driving up and down 75. I can tell you as a Toledo fan who has been at Toledo games, we have more of our own fans at those games than at conference games...the visitor's section is always in the same spot on the east side of the stadium regardless who we are playing. We don't add seats for visiting teams' fans.

Quote:2. A MAC team playing a BCS school at home is a treat. It's not normal and it rarely happens. It certainly hasn't been an every year occasion for our teams.

Hell yeah it is. But it seems like we usually have one per year at UT and we find some to be more important than others. For example, I think the Cincinnati game will be more important than a Minnesota or Iowa State.

Quote:No doubt your fans will be fired up about the game.

Hell yeah we will! [peter griffin voice]One could almost say it's...important[/peter griffin voice]...to us. :-)

Quote:When it's all said and done, your game against Cincy is nice, and your fans are going to be fired up, and no doubt it is a great opportunity for Toledo....but it pales in comparison to winning the MAC.

Pales in comparison to you. I'm speaking about our fan base in general. Some Toledo fans would disagree with me and agree with you but a greater majority of Toledo fans show they have a greater interest in games such as the Cincinnati game by paying higher ticket prices and coming in greater numbers. If they weren't more interested in it, why would they pay more and come out heavier?

I'm not saying that I don't want to see Toledo win against WMU or NIU because I do and a loss is a disappointment but if they could only win one game of a WMU/Cincinnati or NIU/Cincinnati choice, I would pick Cincinnati. To our program, I think a Cincinnati win has a greater impact for the fan base and recruiting base. I am 1000% honest when I say I was more disappointed with the Ohio State loss last year than I was the NIU loss.

Quote:The fact that you didn't know about CMU's recent success is slightly frightening.

I knew about their success and watched CMU play Toledo while Lefevour was there, I just didn't realize they won 3 MAC titles while he was there. Hell, I can't even tell you who won the MAC in basketball 2 years ago but I'd guess that it was either Ohio, Akron, Buffalo, or if not any of those three, then probably Kent State. But I do know that those teams have had a lot of recent success.

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Quote:Using attendance as a way to judge the important of a game is completely flawed.

Toledo fans attend games that they view as being important and are even willing to pay more money for those that they view as being most important. Other than perceived importance, the biggest factors that affect attendance are weather and whether or not it is the home opener because everyone is simply excited that football is back finally. I'm guessing that is when your FCS games are scheduled that you are speaking of and I would agree that it will probably be one of your more highly attended games if that's the case. I don't understand why more of your fans would come out to watch the Huskies play Kansas than they would WMU or Toledo if they weren't more interested in seeing your team beat Kansas than WMU or Toledo. The good news for my offer though is that Cincinnati is deep in the schedule, so is definitely not the home opener.

But hey fellas, I don't blame you. If I were taking your stance, I wouldn't take me up on my bet either.

Oh, and I guarantee that I'd place a higher value on a MAC title if that were the only way my Rockets could get a bowl game. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't want them to win it, all I've said is that it is further down the list than others.

Again, your priorities are extremely out of whack. Your lengthy post isn't worth addressing.

Keep telling yourself that the MACC isn't the end goal. It lessens the sting when you don't get there.

When you've been there 7 times might not have the same meaning as
being there once or twice. There is definitely a number of Rocket fans given the choice between tickets to the Florida Gator/UT game or an OU/Toledo match-up in the MACC, would choose the game at UF.

We've been there 3 times since the last time Toledo was there.

Your priorities are still out of whack.

I wouldn't say they're out of whack. Just different.

(08-01-2012 01:51 AM)7 Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 11:50 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  When you've been there 7 times might not have the same meaning as
being there once or twice. There is definitely a number of Rocket fans given the choice between tickets to the Florida Gator/UT game or an OU/Toledo match-up in the MACC, would choose the game at UF.

We've been there 3 times since the last time Toledo was there.

Your priorities are still out of whack.

Yes they are.