(08-05-2012 09:45 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 09:34 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 09:31 PM)axeme Wrote:  In the last 30 years, only two teams have not been MAC football champions: Kent St. and Ohio.
In the last 40 years, only one has not been MAC football champion: Ohio.

Winning a MAC Championship isn't easy anymore with 13 teams in the league and solid recruiting budgets.

So what are you going to say after Ohio wins the MACC this year as most publications project? You're always trying to nit pick my points while failing to see the big picture.

Ohio won't win the East, let alone the MACC. BG or Miami wins the East. I don't want to be the one to burst your bubble LK, but all things tend to revert to their historical means and the worst team in MAC history by all measurable means, OU without question, will soon revert back to being the bottom-feeder they have always been. OU temporarily benefited from a one-coach wonder blip that was also during an unusual down time with BG and Miami.

There is a reason Ohio hasn't won the MAC in 40 years - It's no fluke or coincidence.

Would you say that Florida State is due to revert back to its bottom feeder status now that Bobby Bowden has retired? Prior to Bobby Bowden FSU was thinking about dropping their football program, now they play in an 80,000 seater and are entrenched on top of the ACC.

Ohio is leaving Miami/BGSU in the dust in both football and basketball. We pay our HC's twice as much money in football and basketball. The commitment level for Ohio athletics is unparalleled.

I expect once Frank retires we'll continue on winning division titles consistently in the future. I do not see us going backwards to anything less than 8 wins a season so long as we play in the MAC East.

(08-05-2012 09:44 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 09:38 PM)axeme Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 09:30 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  I think its hard to argue that Ohio is not the best program in the MAC East simply on the fact that nobody else in the East is winning MACCs either.

I think you don't follow MAC football at all. Current MAC East teams are 4-5 in MACC games since Marshall left. MAC West teams are one game ahead.

Maybe I don't because I only count 3 MAC Championships by the East; Akron (2005), Buffalo (2008), Miami (2010). Ohio lost the 2006, 2009, 2011 championship games. Miami lost the 2007 title game.

Marshall's last year in the conference was 2004. Ohio has clearly picked up their slack as the dominant East program since with Frank joining in 2005. Ohio's now turned the tables and they are the program putting WR's into the NFL not Marshall any longer.

Ohio replace Marshall's dominance? In recent history Marshall has been in the Mac for 8 seasons... In those eight seasons we were in 6 championship games and won 5 of them. Comparing what Ohio has done since 2004 to what Marshall did 97-04 is ludicrous.

(08-05-2012 10:02 PM)Dorrej Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 09:44 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 09:38 PM)axeme Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 09:30 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  I think its hard to argue that Ohio is not the best program in the MAC East simply on the fact that nobody else in the East is winning MACCs either.

I think you don't follow MAC football at all. Current MAC East teams are 4-5 in MACC games since Marshall left. MAC West teams are one game ahead.

Maybe I don't because I only count 3 MAC Championships by the East; Akron (2005), Buffalo (2008), Miami (2010). Ohio lost the 2006, 2009, 2011 championship games. Miami lost the 2007 title game.

Marshall's last year in the conference was 2004. Ohio has clearly picked up their slack as the dominant East program since with Frank joining in 2005. Ohio's now turned the tables and they are the program putting WR's into the NFL not Marshall any longer.

Ohio replace Marshall's dominance? In recent history Marshall has been in the Mac for 8 seasons... In those eight seasons we were in 6 championship games and won 5 of them. Comparing what Ohio has done since 2004 to what Marshall did 97-04 is ludicrous.

I think it compares more to the level Marshall was at its last 2-3 seasons in the MAC but all those tall receivers that Marshall used to have on their team are now playing at Ohio.

For what its worth, Ohio just signed a 6-3 guy who was all state AAA level at WR last year over Marshall this weekend....

If I were Marshall I would be really concerned with all the new recruiting competition that Georgia State, Charlotte and Old Dominion are going to provide. Marshall usually has to settle for non-qualifiers as it is and this will only make the situation worse.

Ohio on the other hand is grabbing up all the top level MAC players in the state of Ohio to the detriment of Miami and BGSU especially. Ohio has 12 recruits this year already, almost as many as BGSU and Miami combined.

Next year Ohio's state of the art Indoor Practice Facility opens which for a long time had placed Ohio at a disadvantage in MAC recruiting. That will no longer be the case.

(08-05-2012 09:55 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 09:45 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 09:34 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 09:31 PM)axeme Wrote:  In the last 30 years, only two teams have not been MAC football champions: Kent St. and Ohio.
In the last 40 years, only one has not been MAC football champion: Ohio.

Winning a MAC Championship isn't easy anymore with 13 teams in the league and solid recruiting budgets.

So what are you going to say after Ohio wins the MACC this year as most publications project? You're always trying to nit pick my points while failing to see the big picture.

Ohio won't win the East, let alone the MACC. BG or Miami wins the East. I don't want to be the one to burst your bubble LK, but all things tend to revert to their historical means and the worst team in MAC history by all measurable means, OU without question, will soon revert back to being the bottom-feeder they have always been. OU temporarily benefited from a one-coach wonder blip that was also during an unusual down time with BG and Miami.

There is a reason Ohio hasn't won the MAC in 40 years - It's no fluke or coincidence.

Would you say that Florida State is due to revert back to its bottom feeder status now that Bobby Bowden has retired? Prior to Bobby Bowden FSU was thinking about dropping their football program, now they play in an 80,000 seater and are entrenched on top of the ACC.

Ohio is leaving Miami/BGSU in the dust in both football and basketball. We pay our HC's twice as much money in football and basketball. The commitment level for Ohio athletics is unparalleled.

I expect once Frank retires we'll continue on winning division titles consistently in the future. I do not see us going backwards to anything less than 8 wins a season so long as we play in the MAC East.

Not questioning OU basketball, they've always been solid. Much respect for them.

Regarding OU football, you sound like Central Michigan fans just a couple years back and look at them now. Besides, the Chips have a much more storied program than OU and actually won MAC Championships. OU has won ZERO in 40 years. Zero. If you think winning the division and losing miserably when it counts is something to brag about, than that only solidifies the loser's mentality of fans of teams that have never won anything and take what they can get.

2004: Ohio beats an SEC school by 2 scores, goes 4-7 and fires their coach after only 4 seasons.

2005-2006: Frank does an amazing coaching job with wins over Illinois and Pitt along with a surprise East title in 2006.

2007-2008: While not having the greatest teams, Ohio loses 7 games by 8 points or less and manages to whip Miami twice, costing them a bowl game in 2007. It becomes clear that Frank is starting to improve depth in the program.

2009-2011: Frank finally has time to get all his players into his systems and has 3 straight bowl games to show for it. Ohio now has more depth and talent across the East and can win games without playing great.

2012: Ohio is tabbed Top 30 by the New York Times and Phil Steele and favorites to win the MAC Championship by the MAC media after having several votes for it in 2011. Ohio is off to a record start to its 2013 recruiting class with 12 commits signed before the season starts (twice of any year previously).

From coaching to depth to talent to recruiting Ohio is now a dominant force in this league for the first time. Its clear there is momentum here now and not just a fluke season.

I counted the last nine since Marshall last won. Miami won in 2003. MAC East has held its own over the last decade winning half of the last 10, 4/9 if you don't count Marshall. The point is that your assertion that "nobody else in the MAC East is winning MACCs either" is completely wrong, unless you also want to assert that nobody in the MAC West is winning MACCs either. In that case, at least you would be balanced in your incorrectness.

(08-05-2012 10:10 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Ohio on the other hand is grabbing up all the top level MAC players in the state of Ohio to the detriment of Miami and BGSU especially. Ohio has 12 recruits this year already, almost as many as BGSU and Miami combined.

LOL!! Both Athlons and Vandeley rated Miami as having best recruiting class in MAC and yet somehow Ohio is stealing our recruits. Any recruit Ohio has is a recruit Miami didn't want. Stick to fashion, you're embarrassing the other OU fans on this board.

(08-05-2012 10:13 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 09:55 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 09:45 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 09:34 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 09:31 PM)axeme Wrote:  In the last 30 years, only two teams have not been MAC football champions: Kent St. and Ohio.
In the last 40 years, only one has not been MAC football champion: Ohio.

Winning a MAC Championship isn't easy anymore with 13 teams in the league and solid recruiting budgets.

So what are you going to say after Ohio wins the MACC this year as most publications project? You're always trying to nit pick my points while failing to see the big picture.

Ohio won't win the East, let alone the MACC. BG or Miami wins the East. I don't want to be the one to burst your bubble LK, but all things tend to revert to their historical means and the worst team in MAC history by all measurable means, OU without question, will soon revert back to being the bottom-feeder they have always been. OU temporarily benefited from a one-coach wonder blip that was also during an unusual down time with BG and Miami.

There is a reason Ohio hasn't won the MAC in 40 years - It's no fluke or coincidence.

Would you say that Florida State is due to revert back to its bottom feeder status now that Bobby Bowden has retired? Prior to Bobby Bowden FSU was thinking about dropping their football program, now they play in an 80,000 seater and are entrenched on top of the ACC.

Ohio is leaving Miami/BGSU in the dust in both football and basketball. We pay our HC's twice as much money in football and basketball. The commitment level for Ohio athletics is unparalleled.

I expect once Frank retires we'll continue on winning division titles consistently in the future. I do not see us going backwards to anything less than 8 wins a season so long as we play in the MAC East.

Not questioning OU basketball, they've always been solid. Much respect for them.

Regarding OU football, you sound like Central Michigan fans just a couple years back and look at them now. Besides, the Chips have a much more storied program than OU and actually won MAC Championships. OU has won ZERO in 40 years. Zero. If you think winning the division and losing miserably when it counts is something to brag about, than that only solidifies the loser's mentality of fans of teams that have never won anything and take what they can get.

How do you call losing by 3 in MACC 2011 and 10 in MACC 2009 miserably? We were pretty competitive.

The 2006 team overachieved to reach the MAC Championship game and got blasted, that I can't argue against.

What you need to look at is where things are going, not where they have been....Ohio is racking up a streak of victories against Miami and BG with burgeoning season ticket sales. Ohio is looking at back to back MACCs in 2012+2013 with Tettleton at QB.

Saying Ohio is going to fall back behind BGSU and Miami again is like saying Boise State is going to fall back behind Idaho and Utah State. The Bobcat program is just starting to pick up steam..

(08-05-2012 10:26 PM)axeme Wrote:  I counted the last nine since Marshall last won. Miami won in 2003. MAC East has held its own over the last decade winning half of the last 10, 4/9 if you don't count Marshall. The point is that your assertion that "nobody else in the MAC East is winning MACCs either" is completely wrong, unless you also want to assert that nobody in the MAC West is winning MACCs either. In that case, at least you would be balanced in your incorrectness.

2011: Northern Illinois
2010: Miami
2009: Central Michigan
2008: Buffalo
2007: Central Michigan
2006: Central Michigan
2005: Akron

Your dumb a@@ can't remember that Marshall played in the MAC until 2004. Akron and Buffalo's victories were totally fluke occurrences. Miami got lucky in 2010.

(08-05-2012 10:26 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 10:10 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Ohio on the other hand is grabbing up all the top level MAC players in the state of Ohio to the detriment of Miami and BGSU especially. Ohio has 12 recruits this year already, almost as many as BGSU and Miami combined.

LOL!! Both Athlons and Vandeley rated Miami as having best recruiting class in MAC and yet somehow Ohio is stealing our recruits. Any recruit Ohio has is a recruit Miami didn't want. Stick to fashion, you're embarrassing the other OU fans on this board.

You're embarrassing the Miami fans.....wait Miami doesn't have but 12 in the stands on a weeknight game.

(08-05-2012 10:34 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 10:26 PM)axeme Wrote:  I counted the last nine since Marshall last won. Miami won in 2003. MAC East has held its own over the last decade winning half of the last 10, 4/9 if you don't count Marshall. The point is that your assertion that "nobody else in the MAC East is winning MACCs either" is completely wrong, unless you also want to assert that nobody in the MAC West is winning MACCs either. In that case, at least you would be balanced in your incorrectness.

2011: Northern Illinois
2010: Miami
2009: Central Michigan
2008: Buffalo
2007: Central Michigan
2006: Central Michigan
2005: Akron

Your dumb a@@ can't remember that Marshall played in the MAC until 2004. Akron and Buffalo's victories were totally fluke occurrences. Miami got lucky in 2010.

I guess those wins give you hope that maybe someday you can be right about something, even of it's by accident.

(08-05-2012 10:34 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 10:26 PM)axeme Wrote:  I counted the last nine since Marshall last won. Miami won in 2003. MAC East has held its own over the last decade winning half of the last 10, 4/9 if you don't count Marshall. The point is that your assertion that "nobody else in the MAC East is winning MACCs either" is completely wrong, unless you also want to assert that nobody in the MAC West is winning MACCs either. In that case, at least you would be balanced in your incorrectness.

2011: Northern Illinois
2010: Miami
2009: Central Michigan
2008: Buffalo
2007: Central Michigan
2006: Central Michigan
2005: Akron

Your dumb a@@ can't remember that Marshall played in the MAC until 2004. Akron and Buffalo's victories were totally fluke occurrences. Miami got lucky in 2010.

He said since Marshall last won a championship, so you should work on your reading comprehension. No championship is a fluke... A win is a win is a win no matter if lk thinks it's a fluke or not...What's not a fluke is Ohios championship drought.

(08-05-2012 10:30 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Saying Ohio is going to fall back behind BGSU and Miami again is like saying Boise State is going to fall back behind Idaho and Utah State. The Bobcat program is just starting to pick up steam..

You're comparing Ohio to Boise State?

Wow, you never cease to amaze me.

(08-05-2012 10:52 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 10:30 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Saying Ohio is going to fall back behind BGSU and Miami again is like saying Boise State is going to fall back behind Idaho and Utah State. The Bobcat program is just starting to pick up steam..

You're comparing Ohio to Boise State?

Wow, you never cease to amaze me.

Phil Steele has Ohio ranked #31 this season just behind #26 Boise State....we are becoming a player to stay.

From the responses I'm reading on this thread I guess you all think that Ohio is going 6-6 this season (with Miami or BG winning the East) and that Solich will retire and we'll proceed to run off a decade of 1-11 seasons like it was in the 80's.....its just not happening guys we have this program built.

You completely fail to grasp that Ohio has the largest athletic budget in the MAC overall and individually in football/basketball up from being in the lower 1/3 of MAC budgets 10-15 years ago. The success is not happening by accident its called investment.

(08-05-2012 10:48 PM)Dorrej Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 10:34 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 10:26 PM)axeme Wrote:  I counted the last nine since Marshall last won. Miami won in 2003. MAC East has held its own over the last decade winning half of the last 10, 4/9 if you don't count Marshall. The point is that your assertion that "nobody else in the MAC East is winning MACCs either" is completely wrong, unless you also want to assert that nobody in the MAC West is winning MACCs either. In that case, at least you would be balanced in your incorrectness.

2011: Northern Illinois
2010: Miami
2009: Central Michigan
2008: Buffalo
2007: Central Michigan
2006: Central Michigan
2005: Akron

Your dumb a@@ can't remember that Marshall played in the MAC until 2004. Akron and Buffalo's victories were totally fluke occurrences. Miami got lucky in 2010.

He said since Marshall last won a championship, so you should work on your reading comprehension. No championship is a fluke... A win is a win is a win no matter if lk thinks it's a fluke or not...What's not a fluke is Ohios championship drought.

(08-05-2012 09:38 PM)axeme Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 09:30 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  I think its hard to argue that Ohio is not the best program in the MAC East simply on the fact that nobody else in the East is winning MACCs either.

I think you don't follow MAC football at all. Current MAC East teams are 4-5 in MACC games since Marshall left. MAC West teams are one game ahead.

(08-05-2012 11:08 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 10:52 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(08-05-2012 10:30 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Saying Ohio is going to fall back behind BGSU and Miami again is like saying Boise State is going to fall back behind Idaho and Utah State. The Bobcat program is just starting to pick up steam..

You're comparing Ohio to Boise State?

Wow, you never cease to amaze me.

Phil Steele has Ohio ranked #31 this season just behind #26 Boise State....we are becoming a player to stay.

From the responses I'm reading on this thread I guess you all think that Ohio is going 6-6 this season (with Miami or BG winning the East) and that Solich will retire and we'll proceed to run off a decade of 1-11 seasons like it was in the 80's.....its just not happening guys we have this program built.

You completely fail to grasp that Ohio has the largest athletic budget in the MAC overall and individually in football/basketball up from being in the lower 1/3 of MAC budgets 10-15 years ago. The success is not happening by accident its called investment.

Good lord take of the green glasses. Ohio is going to be good this year and probably the favorite to win the MAC, but try, you know, actually winning the conference before you try to compare yourself to Boise. You've won one bowl game and haven't won the conference in however long. Ease up.

I'm glad I clicked on this thread. Got my laughs for the day.

You're too much, LK.

(08-05-2012 11:08 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Phil Steele has Ohio ranked #31 this season just behind #26 Boise State....we are becoming a player to stay.

From the responses I'm reading on this thread I guess you all think that Ohio is going 6-6 this season (with Miami or BG winning the East) and that Solich will retire and we'll proceed to run off a decade of 1-11 seasons like it was in the 80's.....its just not happening guys we have this program built.

You completely fail to grasp that Ohio has the largest athletic budget in the MAC overall and individually in football/basketball up from being in the lower 1/3 of MAC budgets 10-15 years ago. The success is not happening by accident its called investment.

This reminds me of something that was posted on the NIU board not too long ago:

(06-20-2012 10:20 AM)tigerscane Wrote:  Memphis is growing....Check it out guys...The World Is Ours Memphis...

Could LK and tigerscane be related?

Those are big numbers for a MAC program. If true, they should easily lead the MAC in attendance this year. I can't imagine what they'll be next year if they make it to the National Championship game.

(08-07-2012 01:05 AM)Campbell4President Wrote:  Those are big numbers for a MAC program. If true, they should easily lead the MAC in attendance this year. I can't imagine what they'll be next year if they make it to the National Championship game.

and beat PSU on the way...

Damn these threads are fun...