(07-08-2012 11:04 AM)niubrad00 Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 10:30 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 08:04 AM)San Giuseppe Jato Rocket Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 12:07 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  0 BCS offers?

First, Brogan is the real deal and is a coup for Eastern. Committing is a delicate process when you're in the 80th percentile. People I've spoke with said Michigan State, Purdue, and Indiana are have offers pending but are stalking "bigger fish" At the end of the day, I think the Eagles is the best choice for Brogan.

Brogan has always been enamored with the Big Ten and if he plays well this fall and gets a Big Ten offer he won't be part of EMU's class anymore because he will bolt for the Big Ten. I'm not so sure he gets a Big Ten offer though. It will depend on his development as a senior. He's a good QB and has potential, but not worthy of "the real deal" label.

As for those three Big Ten schools, Indiana is probably the best chance for him to get an offer. MSU and Purdue each already have pretty solid QB commits. I think MSU is taking one more, but not sure about Purdue.

4-star QB without any major offers? Something seems off. When's the last time that's happened, if ever. I'm sure this is a nice pickup for EMU, but if he was really a 4-star QB most MAC programs wouldn't even bother to offer him because he'd have 10+ BCS offers already.

I'm willing to bet it has never happened. The 2 star QB we picked up at least had offers from UConn, Rutgers and ECU. If this guy was a legit 4 star QB, IU, Purdue, Cincy, Kentucky, Louisville, Illinois, etc. would be all over him.

(07-08-2012 04:33 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 11:04 AM)niubrad00 Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 10:30 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 08:04 AM)San Giuseppe Jato Rocket Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 12:07 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  0 BCS offers?

First, Brogan is the real deal and is a coup for Eastern. Committing is a delicate process when you're in the 80th percentile. People I've spoke with said Michigan State, Purdue, and Indiana are have offers pending but are stalking "bigger fish" At the end of the day, I think the Eagles is the best choice for Brogan.

Brogan has always been enamored with the Big Ten and if he plays well this fall and gets a Big Ten offer he won't be part of EMU's class anymore because he will bolt for the Big Ten. I'm not so sure he gets a Big Ten offer though. It will depend on his development as a senior. He's a good QB and has potential, but not worthy of "the real deal" label.

As for those three Big Ten schools, Indiana is probably the best chance for him to get an offer. MSU and Purdue each already have pretty solid QB commits. I think MSU is taking one more, but not sure about Purdue.

4-star QB without any major offers? Something seems off. When's the last time that's happened, if ever. I'm sure this is a nice pickup for EMU, but if he was really a 4-star QB most MAC programs wouldn't even bother to offer him because he'd have 10+ BCS offers already.

I'm willing to bet it has never happened. The 2 star QB we picked up at least had offers from UConn, Rutgers and ECU. If this guy was a legit 4 star QB, IU, Purdue, Cincy, Kentucky, Louisville, Illinois, etc. would be all over him.

Maybe these schools you listed are happy with their qb situations.. Also he has a sister who is playing volley-Ball at EMU.. Maybe this played a part in him choosing EMU for football.. Could he had told other school during the recruiting process he wanted to attend the school his sister was at..

According to a article I read English didn't recruit a qb in the 2013 class because he had his mind set on a bigger qb..

If this kid start getting offers from BCS schools will this prove to doubter he is a real 4 star qb?

Here is a thought, maybe he bought into the English mojo talk about him being part of a upward football on the raise..

If he had commited to NIU would there be questions like theses?

(07-08-2012 01:59 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
For all of you naysayer's out there, most of you would have been thrilled if Roback ended his recruitment with your schools, so take a deep breath and relax. First of all this is a verbal, and anything can happen in the next several months. Next, as any athlete coming out of high school, most need to be coached to become better at their respective position. So, let's see what happens.

I mean no disrespect to Roback or EMU. He's a good QB, but I don't think he should be a 4 star rated QB. I believe Tupa (Miami commit), Walsh (Ohio U commit), Strock (Kent State commit), and Harrison (Toledo commit) are all better QB prospects than Walsh and none of those four are 4 star QB's. All of these mentioned QB's are out of the state of Ohio.

There are three QB's out of the state of Ohio for 2013 that are rated 4 stars.....one is committed to Notre Dame and had several BCS offers including the likes of Alabama, Nebraska, Ohio State, and Wisconsin; another one is committed to Pittsburgh and had several BCS offers, and the third one is Roback with zero BCS offers.

Roback completed just 54% of his passes as a junior last year for 1,645 yards and 14 TD's. The 4 star that committed to Pittsburgh for comparison threw for 2,800 yards and 29 TD's last year, and he's a dual-threat QB whereas Roback is not much of a running threat.

(07-08-2012 04:33 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 11:04 AM)niubrad00 Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 10:30 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 08:04 AM)San Giuseppe Jato Rocket Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 12:07 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  0 BCS offers?

First, Brogan is the real deal and is a coup for Eastern. Committing is a delicate process when you're in the 80th percentile. People I've spoke with said Michigan State, Purdue, and Indiana are have offers pending but are stalking "bigger fish" At the end of the day, I think the Eagles is the best choice for Brogan.

Brogan has always been enamored with the Big Ten and if he plays well this fall and gets a Big Ten offer he won't be part of EMU's class anymore because he will bolt for the Big Ten. I'm not so sure he gets a Big Ten offer though. It will depend on his development as a senior. He's a good QB and has potential, but not worthy of "the real deal" label.

As for those three Big Ten schools, Indiana is probably the best chance for him to get an offer. MSU and Purdue each already have pretty solid QB commits. I think MSU is taking one more, but not sure about Purdue.

4-star QB without any major offers? Something seems off. When's the last time that's happened, if ever. I'm sure this is a nice pickup for EMU, but if he was really a 4-star QB most MAC programs wouldn't even bother to offer him because he'd have 10+ BCS offers already.

I'm willing to bet it has never happened. The 2 star QB we picked up at least had offers from UConn, Rutgers and ECU. If this guy was a legit 4 star QB, IU, Purdue, Cincy, Kentucky, Louisville, Illinois, etc. would be all over him.

JHG722 - Why are you still here? Shouldn't you be spreading your enlightenment to your bigger, better Big East brethren?

(07-08-2012 07:16 PM)NUPudge Wrote:  Maybe these schools you listed are happy with their qb situations.. Also he has a sister who is playing volley-Ball at EMU.. Maybe this played a part in him choosing EMU for football.. Could he had told other school during the recruiting process he wanted to attend the school his sister was at..

According to a article I read English didn't recruit a qb in the 2013 class because he had his mind set on a bigger qb..

If this kid start getting offers from BCS schools will this prove to doubter he is a real 4 star qb?

Here is a thought, maybe he bought into the English mojo talk about him being part of a upward football on the raise..

If he had commited to NIU would there be questions like theses?

I've given my reasons for saying what I have. He's not getting a BCS offer unless he plays better his senior year. He had a good sophomore year and the scouting services jumped all over him. He had a decent year as a junior last year, not a great year, and he sort of fizzled towards the end of the year. Most often guys that are legitimate 4 star QB's are offered early in their junior year by some BCS schools and it has not happened here. If he turns things around and has a great senior year he could get some BCS offers though.

One of Roback's problems is that he is not a dual-threat QB and many schools are looking for dual-threat QB's these days. He needs to work on his mechanics, but so did Terrance Owens coming out of high school. Of course Owens was properly rated as a 2 star prospect when he signed with Toledo.

Roback is good enough to be a very good QB at EMU. All I am saying is that he does not warrant being a 4 star rated QB based on what he has done and showed so far this year.

As for the notion that he told other schools that he was not going to go there because he wanted to go to the same school as his sister, a Miami poster already said he recently visited Miami's campus. If he was willing to visit Miami's campus why wouldn't he be willing to visit a BCS school's campus?

Maybe he had commited to their coaches he would visit there before he made his mind up..

I do believe if he get the right offer from the right BCS school EMU will lose him...

(07-08-2012 07:28 PM)HuronDave Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 04:33 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 11:04 AM)niubrad00 Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 10:30 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 08:04 AM)San Giuseppe Jato Rocket Wrote:  First, Brogan is the real deal and is a coup for Eastern. Committing is a delicate process when you're in the 80th percentile. People I've spoke with said Michigan State, Purdue, and Indiana are have offers pending but are stalking "bigger fish" At the end of the day, I think the Eagles is the best choice for Brogan.

Brogan has always been enamored with the Big Ten and if he plays well this fall and gets a Big Ten offer he won't be part of EMU's class anymore because he will bolt for the Big Ten. I'm not so sure he gets a Big Ten offer though. It will depend on his development as a senior. He's a good QB and has potential, but not worthy of "the real deal" label.

As for those three Big Ten schools, Indiana is probably the best chance for him to get an offer. MSU and Purdue each already have pretty solid QB commits. I think MSU is taking one more, but not sure about Purdue.

4-star QB without any major offers? Something seems off. When's the last time that's happened, if ever. I'm sure this is a nice pickup for EMU, but if he was really a 4-star QB most MAC programs wouldn't even bother to offer him because he'd have 10+ BCS offers already.

I'm willing to bet it has never happened. The 2 star QB we picked up at least had offers from UConn, Rutgers and ECU. If this guy was a legit 4 star QB, IU, Purdue, Cincy, Kentucky, Louisville, Illinois, etc. would be all over him.

JHG722 - Why are you still here? Shouldn't you be spreading your enlightenment to your bigger, better Big East brethren?

He feels at place here, Temple is still recruiting like a MAC program.

(07-08-2012 07:16 PM)NUPudge Wrote:  Maybe these schools you listed are happy with their qb situations.. Also he has a sister who is playing volley-Ball at EMU.. Maybe this played a part in him choosing EMU for football.. Could he had told other school during the recruiting process he wanted to attend the school his sister was at..

According to a article I read English didn't recruit a qb in the 2013 class because he had his mind set on a bigger qb..

If this kid start getting offers from BCS schools will this prove to doubter he is a real 4 star qb?

Here is a thought, maybe he bought into the English mojo talk about him being part of a upward football on the raise..

If he had commited to NIU would there be questions like theses?

I never said anything about EMU, I'm just saying a 4 star QB shouldn't have 0 BCS offers. I dont care if he committed to NIU or Temple, I'd have the same questions.

(07-08-2012 08:24 PM)CMUprof Wrote:  He feels at place here, Temple is still recruiting like a MAC program.

Hardly.

Wasn't Charlie Batch a four-star recruit? I thought he was a can't miss prospect who ended up at EMU under the old Prop 48 rules. Or was it a health issue? Anyway, if B. Roback turns out like that, this would be a great get for EMU.

(07-08-2012 08:58 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 08:24 PM)CMUprof Wrote:  He feels at place here, Temple is still recruiting like a MAC program.

Hardly.

Your 2 3* recruits tie you with Toledo and UMass and put you behind the 5 for CMU (according to Scout). Compared to Big East schools you guys are getting your lunch handed to you.

(07-08-2012 09:59 PM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 08:58 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 08:24 PM)CMUprof Wrote:  He feels at place here, Temple is still recruiting like a MAC program.

Hardly.

Your 2 3* recruits tie you with Toledo and UMass and put you behind the 5 for CMU (according to Scout). Compared to Big East schools you guys are getting your lunch handed to you.

Kinda like they did when they were playing football in the MAC?

(07-08-2012 09:59 PM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 08:58 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 08:24 PM)CMUprof Wrote:  He feels at place here, Temple is still recruiting like a MAC program.

Hardly.

Your 2 3* recruits tie you with Toledo and UMass and put you behind the 5 for CMU (according to Scout). Compared to Big East schools you guys are getting your lunch handed to you.

No, not at all. We're doing fine in comparison to most in the BE. We get nearly all of our recruits at our camps, so we should see some more commits soon. We're not going to start getting 4 star recruits right away (although Buddy Brown is a 4 star on 247). I'm sure you would've said the same about Boise, considering their recruiting classes are never ranked very high.

(07-08-2012 09:58 PM)bobcatbobcatbobcat Wrote:  Wasn't Charlie Batch a four-star recruit? I thought he was a can't miss prospect who ended up at EMU under the old Prop 48 rules. Or was it a health issue? Anyway, if B. Roback turns out like that, this would be a great get for EMU.

Roback does not have the wheels that Batch had so you really can't compare them. They have two different styles.

(07-08-2012 11:18 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 09:59 PM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 08:58 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(07-08-2012 08:24 PM)CMUprof Wrote:  He feels at place here, Temple is still recruiting like a MAC program.

Hardly.

Your 2 3* recruits tie you with Toledo and UMass and put you behind the 5 for CMU (according to Scout). Compared to Big East schools you guys are getting your lunch handed to you.

No, not at all. We're doing fine in comparison to most in the BE. We get nearly all of our recruits at our camps, so we should see some more commits soon. We're not going to start getting 4 star recruits right away (although Buddy Brown is a 4 star on 247). I'm sure you would've said the same about Boise, considering their recruiting classes are never ranked very high.

BE according to Rivals
Rutgers - 8 3*
Louisville - 9 3*
Cinci - 8 3*
Pitt - 5 3*, 1 4*
USF - 7 3*
Temple - 2 3*
Syracuse - 4 3*
UConn - 4 3*

Boise - 6 3*

And no, I would never say the same about Boise's recruiting classes. They actually win.

Dear BrianNowicki,
As much as I liked Charlie Batch at Eastern, you are incorrect about Charlie having wheels. He was strictly a pocket passer who ran when when he got into trouble in the pocket, but isn't in the category of having wheels. I'm almost positive that Eastern did not have any designated running plays for Batch when at Eastern. Unlike today, where Gillett runs probably 30% of the time.

There was a game at Toledo where he was basically he was in the shotgun the whole game chuckin' it. Reminded me of an NIU game....

(07-09-2012 10:13 AM)Rocketdamus Wrote:  There was a game at Toledo where he was basically he was in the shotgun the whole game chuckin' it. Reminded me of an NIU game....

Now, that's funny!

BTW, ESPNU is counting down the top 25 games from last season. #19 is the NIU-Toledo game which they will replay today at 9:30pm, EDT.

(07-09-2012 09:08 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear BrianNowicki,
As much as I liked Charlie Batch at Eastern, you are incorrect about Charlie having wheels. He was strictly a pocket passer who ran when when he got into trouble in the pocket, but isn't in the category of having wheels. I'm almost positive that Eastern did not have any designated running plays for Batch when at Eastern. Unlike today, where Gillett runs probably 30% of the time.

When I say that Batch had wheels I didn't mean that he played in a run oriented spread offense or ran the ball a lot. He was a great passer. He had the wheels to run when he needed to and did just that. EMU did not design running plays for him, but that doesn't mean he couldn't run. That also doesn't mean that he didn't use his wheels to get out of pressure and then make a great throw.

As for Gillette, the game today is much different than it was in the 90's. Though I think that English doesn't really want to be that run spread offense that he has with Gillette.

I remember watching Batch get out of pressure with his legs and then make throw after throw. IMO, at least right now, Roback doesn't have that elusive-ability. He's shown the ability to gain some yards on the ground in high school, but he's not that fast and I don't see him using his "wheels" to get out of trouble.

His rivals page says he runs a 4.65 40. That's not slow at all, for a QB. He also looks pretty fast in his highlight videos. You probably know better than me, since I've never seen him play, but a QB who runs a sub 4.7 40 can make things happen with his feet at this level.