(10-03-2015 12:32 PM)talon owl Wrote:  Why is Hall no longer a possibility? Wasn't he committed to us for like a year (or more)?

Academic casualty?

Thats the rumor.

(10-03-2015 02:18 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 12:32 PM)talon owl Wrote:  Why is Hall no longer a possibility? Wasn't he committed to us for like a year (or more)?

Academic casualty?

Thats the rumor.

I'd much rather us accept him than be embarrassed like we are in football

(10-03-2015 03:48 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 02:18 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 12:32 PM)talon owl Wrote:  Why is Hall no longer a possibility? Wasn't he committed to us for like a year (or more)?

Academic casualty?

Thats the rumor.

I'd much rather us accept him than be embarrassed like we are in football

I disagree. Rice had numerous guys have academic problems toward the end of the Coach Braun era, guys missing games during the season and transferring or deciding to play internationally after one season. Not worth it when there are so few players on the team.

(10-03-2015 04:36 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 03:48 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 02:18 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 12:32 PM)talon owl Wrote:  Why is Hall no longer a possibility? Wasn't he committed to us for like a year (or more)?

Academic casualty?

Thats the rumor.

I'd much rather us accept him than be embarrassed like we are in football

I disagree. Rice had numerous guys have academic problems toward the end of the Coach Braun era, guys missing games during the season and transferring or deciding to play internationally after one season. Not worth it when there are so few players on the team.

Ask SMU if it's worth it.

(10-03-2015 04:36 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 03:48 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 02:18 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 12:32 PM)talon owl Wrote:  Why is Hall no longer a possibility? Wasn't he committed to us for like a year (or more)?

Academic casualty?

Thats the rumor.

I'd much rather us accept him than be embarrassed like we are in football

I disagree. Rice had numerous guys have academic problems toward the end of the Coach Braun era, guys missing games during the season and transferring or deciding to play internationally after one season. Not worth it when there are so few players on the team.

I disagree not because it hurts the team but because accepting a player not academically qualified is wrong. Wrong for the kid; wrong for the school.

(10-04-2015 07:27 AM)temchugh Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 04:36 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 03:48 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 02:18 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 12:32 PM)talon owl Wrote:  Why is Hall no longer a possibility? Wasn't he committed to us for like a year (or more)?

Academic casualty?

Thats the rumor.

I'd much rather us accept him than be embarrassed like we are in football

I disagree. Rice had numerous guys have academic problems toward the end of the Coach Braun era, guys missing games during the season and transferring or deciding to play internationally after one season. Not worth it when there are so few players on the team.

I disagree not because it hurts the team but because accepting a player not academically qualified is wrong. Wrong for the kid; wrong for the school.

I think it depends. Obviously we don't want the academic issues of SMU. But if he ends up a P5 school it's hard to believe there isn't a major at Rice for him to get his degree in. We don't really know how badly he missed the academic marks Rice has set (which we hear are higher than everyone else but that could just be an old excuse).

Really? Lots of P5 (and other) schools accept basketball players that can't read at the 9th grade level. No university should do that.

If all universities strictly followed the NCAA minimum academic requirements, then more young basketball players would be forced to take high school more seriously. Regardless, Rice should not participate in the race to the bottom.

1. Agree with mrbig and temcugh. We cannot and should never compromise our academic integrity.

2. Judging by how close our games were last year and that I believe our largest loss was 12 points (and we played some ranked teams), I have faith that Rhoades isn't going to manage to get bludgeoned the same way Bailiff has

(10-04-2015 07:27 AM)temchugh Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 04:36 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 03:48 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 02:18 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 12:32 PM)talon owl Wrote:  Why is Hall no longer a possibility? Wasn't he committed to us for like a year (or more)?

Academic casualty?

Thats the rumor.

I'd much rather us accept him than be embarrassed like we are in football

I disagree. Rice had numerous guys have academic problems toward the end of the Coach Braun era, guys missing games during the season and transferring or deciding to play internationally after one season. Not worth it when there are so few players on the team.

I disagree not because it hurts the team but because accepting a player not academically qualified is wrong. Wrong for the kid; wrong for the school.

I agree with the disagreement. While schools like Stanford have enough other sports to allow them to lower the bar enough in football and basketball to let in more marginal students, Rice is way too small to do this, and we have enough problems already. Much as I want to win and dominate, I want the kids to be able to read, spell, speak and think. Many "schools" don't even require that minimum standard.

We have been able to recruit good student athletes, and there are more out there. I think the right coaches in each sport can get their share--there's enough out there to choose from, they are just going to Duke, Stanford, etc... over us right now. I think Rhoades is doing well, and after improving this year will have an even better story to sell as he should be able to get the RPI high enough to schedule more schools these kids want to play against. In that way, basketball is easier to turn around than football.

(10-04-2015 12:39 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(10-04-2015 07:27 AM)temchugh Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 04:36 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 03:48 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 02:18 PM)Antarius Wrote:  Thats the rumor.

I'd much rather us accept him than be embarrassed like we are in football

I disagree. Rice had numerous guys have academic problems toward the end of the Coach Braun era, guys missing games during the season and transferring or deciding to play internationally after one season. Not worth it when there are so few players on the team.

I disagree not because it hurts the team but because accepting a player not academically qualified is wrong. Wrong for the kid; wrong for the school.

I agree with the disagreement. While schools like Stanford have enough other sports to allow them to lower the bar enough in football and basketball to let in more marginal students, Rice is way too small to do this, and we have enough problems already. Much as I want to win and dominate, I want the kids to be able to read, spell, speak and think. Many "schools" don't even require that minimum standard.

We have been able to recruit good student athletes, and there are more out there. I think the right coaches in each sport can get their share--there's enough out there to choose from, they are just going to Duke, Stanford, etc... over us right now. I think Rhoades is doing well, and after improving this year will have an even better story to sell as he should be able to get the RPI high enough to schedule more schools these kids want to play against. In that way, basketball is easier to turn around than football.

Whoa... How did we jump to not being able to read? I'm assuming since he was recruited by Rhoades he has decent HS academics and maybe just didn't get the test scores he needed for Rice. If that's the case I'll be interested to see where he ends up. I have a hard time imagining not passing sports management classes if he has decent HS grades and is willing to work...

Let's remember he would have been our highest rated basketball recruit of at least the last decade BY FAR, maybe ever. On top of that he committed super early and clearly wanted to be at Rice. It's a shame it won't work out.

(10-04-2015 01:04 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-04-2015 12:39 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  I agree with the disagreement. While schools like Stanford have enough other sports to allow them to lower the bar enough in football and basketball to let in more marginal students, Rice is way too small to do this, and we have enough problems already. Much as I want to win and dominate, I want the kids to be able to read, spell, speak and think. Many "schools" don't even require that minimum standard.

We have been able to recruit good student athletes, and there are more out there. I think the right coaches in each sport can get their share--there's enough out there to choose from, they are just going to Duke, Stanford, etc... over us right now. I think Rhoades is doing well, and after improving this year will have an even better story to sell as he should be able to get the RPI high enough to schedule more schools these kids want to play against. In that way, basketball is easier to turn around than football.

Whoa... How did we jump to not being able to read? I'm assuming since he was recruited by Rhoades he has decent HS academics and maybe just didn't get the test scores he needed for Rice. If that's the case I'll be interested to see where he ends up. I have a hard time imagining not passing sports management classes if he has decent HS grades and is willing to work...

Let's remember he would have been our highest rated basketball recruit of at least the last decade BY FAR, maybe ever. On top of that he committed super early and clearly wanted to be at Rice. It's a shame it won't work out.

Apologies, cr11owl, I was talking more in general, not specifically about Hall, whom I don't know much about as far as his particular academics and situation more than what I read on this board. I'm sure he's a decent guy, because Rhoades has not struck me as wanting to bring in creeps to Rice--I don't think that mentality fits his system. He seems to want smart players who can quickly adjust and adapt, and use their brains to overcome their physical disadvantages against superior teams. He seems to be a very good fit for Rice.

Josh Hall still hasn't committed. He is headed to Nevada today on an official visit with the Wolfpack. Also has interest from UNC Wilmington.

(10-07-2015 09:57 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  Josh Hall still hasn't committed. He is headed to Nevada today on an official visit with the Wolfpack. Also has interest from UNC Wilmington.

I saw a tweet from a Nevada writer saying if they land him they will probably have a top 25 class.

(10-07-2015 10:00 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 09:57 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  Josh Hall still hasn't committed. He is headed to Nevada today on an official visit with the Wolfpack. Also has interest from UNC Wilmington.

I saw a tweet from a Nevada writer saying if they land him they will probably have a top 25 class.

Not going to blame the MBB staff or the school for Hall's decisions....

(10-07-2015 10:04 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 10:00 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 09:57 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  Josh Hall still hasn't committed. He is headed to Nevada today on an official visit with the Wolfpack. Also has interest from UNC Wilmington.

I saw a tweet from a Nevada writer saying if they land him they will probably have a top 25 class.

Not going to blame the MBB staff or the school for Hall's decisions....

Oh I'm not blaming the staff. The rumor was it was an academic standards and they can't do anything about that. Just saying he looks to be a good one.

I know Rhoades was in the Seattle area awhile back. I don't see any recruits listed from that area that we have offers out to. I really do like how he is getting around the country though. For 2 years from now he has pretty exclusively targeted top 200 players (3 and 4 stars) and they are from California, DC, NC, Virginian, Texas, Illinois, Colorado, etc...

For comparison I think Braun was barely pulling a 3 star every once in awhile (ennis).

EDIT: looks like we were considering a PG from Seattle but haven't offered. Adams might have taken his spot.

I saw on twitter a few days ago that Josh Hall announced a final 4 of George Mason, Nevada, UNC-Wilmington, and Georgia Southern.

(10-07-2015 10:15 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 10:04 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 10:00 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 09:57 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  Josh Hall still hasn't committed. He is headed to Nevada today on an official visit with the Wolfpack. Also has interest from UNC Wilmington.

I saw a tweet from a Nevada writer saying if they land him they will probably have a top 25 class.

Not going to blame the MBB staff or the school for Hall's decisions....

Oh I'm not blaming the staff. The rumor was it was an academic standards and they can't do anything about that. Just saying he looks to be a good one.

I know Rhoades was in the Seattle area awhile back. I don't see any recruits listed from that area that we have offers out to. I really do like how he is getting around the country though. For 2 years from now he has pretty exclusively targeted top 200 players (3 and 4 stars) and they are from California, DC, NC, Virginian, Texas, Illinois, Colorado, etc...

For comparison I think Braun was barely pulling a 3 star every once in awhile (ennis).

EDIT: looks like we were considering a PG from Seattle but haven't offered. Adams might have taken his spot.

Kazemi was a 3 or 4 star recruit depending on where you looked

(10-07-2015 10:54 AM)07owl Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 10:15 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 10:04 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 10:00 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 09:57 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  Josh Hall still hasn't committed. He is headed to Nevada today on an official visit with the Wolfpack. Also has interest from UNC Wilmington.

I saw a tweet from a Nevada writer saying if they land him they will probably have a top 25 class.

Not going to blame the MBB staff or the school for Hall's decisions....

Oh I'm not blaming the staff. The rumor was it was an academic standards and they can't do anything about that. Just saying he looks to be a good one.

I know Rhoades was in the Seattle area awhile back. I don't see any recruits listed from that area that we have offers out to. I really do like how he is getting around the country though. For 2 years from now he has pretty exclusively targeted top 200 players (3 and 4 stars) and they are from California, DC, NC, Virginian, Texas, Illinois, Colorado, etc...

For comparison I think Braun was barely pulling a 3 star every once in awhile (ennis).

EDIT: looks like we were considering a PG from Seattle but haven't offered. Adams might have taken his spot.

Kazemi was a 3 or 4 star recruit depending on where you looked

Yes arsalan was a high 3 star. Our whole team will be full of that level of recruit (or higher) the way Rhoades is recruiting. Excited for the season.

Going back a few years too, Morris Almond was a national top 100 recruit. So was Jason McKrieth. And while he was a transfer, Bobby Crawford was a national top-25 recruit (which tells you a little about some recruiting rankings).

Braun was a good recruiter. Kazemi, Ennis, Obi, Debose, Reischel?, Oraby, Ibrahim, etc. Most or all had numerous P5 offers. Rice was named the 2nd best recruiting class among all of G5 schools by espn one year under Braun. The problem was keeping the players at Rice.