(07-03-2012 09:00 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 06:52 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  You can also look at it from the other side. The BE schools will look for harder schedules. Duke, nor Cuse do not help with that. they have been horrid, and do nothing to help recruiting. Most of the ACC has been bad to very mediocre for the last 3 to 5 years. The only way they could keep ACC in big boy club was to look at records going back 10 years. As an UCF fan, I wouldn't want to play Duke, or Cuse, That hurts us not helps. Basketball is another story. We have not had problems getting bigger schools to play 1 n 1s.

With the Pac 12, ACC and soon SEC playing 9 conference games and the Pac 12 and Big 10 scheduling agreement, I expect those 1 for 1 opportunities for the BE teams to start drying up very quickly. It'll work out because the guarantees for a 1 and done will go up but the days of BE teams getting premium 1 and 1's with the Big 5 conferences is almost over. Rutgers just signed a 1 and done with Arkansas, Syracuse I'm sure has a 1 and done with their monster OOC schedule, and Boise is well known for taking 1 and dones just to get an opponent to play them and those are some of your most marketable, nationally attractive teams. It's going to get a lot worse in a couple of years, especially for the nBE Newbies.

All of SU games with their ooc schedule have been home and home series with a couple of exceptions. The only exception is USC where we played 1 game at USC and one at the Meadowlands which is SU's home game. We are doing a one and done with Missouri because of a schedule glitch. But in the past, Syracuse and Pitt are the 2 BE teams that almost never has had problems getting series with other big 5 schools.

(07-03-2012 10:17 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 09:00 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 06:52 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  You can also look at it from the other side. The BE schools will look for harder schedules. Duke, nor Cuse do not help with that. they have been horrid, and do nothing to help recruiting. Most of the ACC has been bad to very mediocre for the last 3 to 5 years. The only way they could keep ACC in big boy club was to look at records going back 10 years. As an UCF fan, I wouldn't want to play Duke, or Cuse, That hurts us not helps. Basketball is another story. We have not had problems getting bigger schools to play 1 n 1s.

With the Pac 12, ACC and soon SEC playing 9 conference games and the Pac 12 and Big 10 scheduling agreement, I expect those 1 for 1 opportunities for the BE teams to start drying up very quickly. It'll work out because the guarantees for a 1 and done will go up but the days of BE teams getting premium 1 and 1's with the Big 5 conferences is almost over. Rutgers just signed a 1 and done with Arkansas, Syracuse I'm sure has a 1 and done with their monster OOC schedule, and Boise is well known for taking 1 and dones just to get an opponent to play them and those are some of your most marketable, nationally attractive teams. It's going to get a lot worse in a couple of years, especially for the nBE Newbies.

All of SU games with their ooc schedule have been home and home series with a couple of exceptions. The only exception is USC where we played 1 game at USC and one at the Meadowlands which is SU's home game. We are doing a one and done with Missouri because of a schedule glitch. But in the past, Syracuse and Pitt are the 2 BE teams that almost never has had problems getting series with other big 5 schools.

...and the USC game was scheduled in the Dome. When the opportunity arose to play in the Meadowlands, both schools agreed to move the Syracuse home game to the Meadowlands.

(07-03-2012 10:17 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 09:00 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 06:52 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  You can also look at it from the other side. The BE schools will look for harder schedules. Duke, nor Cuse do not help with that. they have been horrid, and do nothing to help recruiting. Most of the ACC has been bad to very mediocre for the last 3 to 5 years. The only way they could keep ACC in big boy club was to look at records going back 10 years. As an UCF fan, I wouldn't want to play Duke, or Cuse, That hurts us not helps. Basketball is another story. We have not had problems getting bigger schools to play 1 n 1s.

With the Pac 12, ACC and soon SEC playing 9 conference games and the Pac 12 and Big 10 scheduling agreement, I expect those 1 for 1 opportunities for the BE teams to start drying up very quickly. It'll work out because the guarantees for a 1 and done will go up but the days of BE teams getting premium 1 and 1's with the Big 5 conferences is almost over. Rutgers just signed a 1 and done with Arkansas, Syracuse I'm sure has a 1 and done with their monster OOC schedule, and Boise is well known for taking 1 and dones just to get an opponent to play them and those are some of your most marketable, nationally attractive teams. It's going to get a lot worse in a couple of years, especially for the nBE Newbies.

All of SU games with their ooc schedule have been home and home series with a couple of exceptions. The only exception is USC where we played 1 game at USC and one at the Meadowlands which is SU's home game. We are doing a one and done with Missouri because of a schedule glitch. But in the past, Syracuse and Pitt are the 2 BE teams that almost never has had problems getting series with other big 5 schools.

USC was originally a home n home until our AD moved our home game to MetLife.

Very True Mark, Htown, I forgot to add that nugget about the USC game being moved to the Meadowlands at the request of SU.

(07-03-2012 10:17 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 09:00 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 06:52 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  You can also look at it from the other side. The BE schools will look for harder schedules. Duke, nor Cuse do not help with that. they have been horrid, and do nothing to help recruiting. Most of the ACC has been bad to very mediocre for the last 3 to 5 years. The only way they could keep ACC in big boy club was to look at records going back 10 years. As an UCF fan, I wouldn't want to play Duke, or Cuse, That hurts us not helps. Basketball is another story. We have not had problems getting bigger schools to play 1 n 1s.

With the Pac 12, ACC and soon SEC playing 9 conference games and the Pac 12 and Big 10 scheduling agreement, I expect those 1 for 1 opportunities for the BE teams to start drying up very quickly. It'll work out because the guarantees for a 1 and done will go up but the days of BE teams getting premium 1 and 1's with the Big 5 conferences is almost over. Rutgers just signed a 1 and done with Arkansas, Syracuse I'm sure has a 1 and done with their monster OOC schedule, and Boise is well known for taking 1 and dones just to get an opponent to play them and those are some of your most marketable, nationally attractive teams. It's going to get a lot worse in a couple of years, especially for the nBE Newbies.

All of SU games with their ooc schedule have been home and home series with a couple of exceptions. The only exception is USC where we played 1 game at USC and one at the Meadowlands which is SU's home game. We are doing a one and done with Missouri because of a schedule glitch. But in the past, Syracuse and Pitt are the 2 BE teams that almost never has had problems getting series with other big 5 schools.

I know about the scheduling glitch. It happens when 2 of your conference opponents disappear within 9 months of game time. I wasn't acusing Cuse of being equivalent to a lowly nBE team. To me y'all are already in the ACC making the ACC better. I used Cuse as an example because there is no one left in the BE with nearly that kind of scheduling clout. And if a real team like Cuse had to do a 1 and done then it is certainly in the future of the remaining nBE teams. Cuse Pitt and WVU aren't BE teams anymore, the nBE is a much lesser animal because y'all left.

(07-03-2012 10:06 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 09:00 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Rutgers just signed a 1 and done with Arkansas,

Actually its a home and home. Fayetteville this year, Piscataway next year.

Ok thanks, that's what happens when I try to post from memory. I don't have power right now, so I don't have the battery life to look up the things I'm referencing.

(07-03-2012 12:08 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 10:06 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 09:00 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Rutgers just signed a 1 and done with Arkansas,

Actually its a home and home. Fayetteville this year, Piscataway next year.

Ok thanks, that's what happens when I try to post from memory. I don't have power right now, so I don't have the battery life to look up the things I'm referencing.

Are you in one of the areas affected by the storms? If so, I hope you and yours are safe and doing well.

(06-30-2012 04:22 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Navy and SMU are the only two that fit Wake's out of conference scheduling philosophy going forward.

My preference is to see Navy come to the ACC. As Notre Dame's partner of course.

(07-03-2012 12:32 PM)7fielder Wrote:  

(06-30-2012 04:22 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  Navy and SMU are the only two that fit Wake's out of conference scheduling philosophy going forward.

My preference is to see Navy come to the ACC. As Notre Dame's partner of course.

+1

(07-03-2012 12:08 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 10:06 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 09:00 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Rutgers just signed a 1 and done with Arkansas,

Actually its a home and home. Fayetteville this year, Piscataway next year.

Ok thanks, that's what happens when I try to post from memory. I don't have power right now, so I don't have the battery life to look up the things I'm referencing.

I hope everything is alright. Those storms were incredibly severe. Basically near the eye hurricane conditions.

(07-03-2012 06:52 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  You can also look at it from the other side. The BE schools will look for harder schedules. Duke, nor Cuse do not help with that. they have been horrid, and do nothing to help recruiting. Most of the ACC has been bad to very mediocre for the last 3 to 5 years. The only way they could keep ACC in big boy club was to look at records going back 10 years. As an UCF fan, I wouldn't want to play Duke, or Cuse, That hurts us not helps. Basketball is another story. We have not had problems getting bigger schools to play 1 n 1s.

Don't worry, because I highly doubt that any ACC school will want to schedule the majority of the BE schools right now. Out of all the schools in the BE, the ones that will have the easiest times getting good OOC matchups will be Rutgers, Louisville Boise and maybe South Florida IMO. UCONN appears to get decent matchups too, but I'm not sure how well their long term prospects will be in FB. I see the rest of the BE struggling mightily to get decent OOC matchups to be honest. Maybe in time, but the BE now looks too much like the CUSA, and I don't see that boding well for future perceptions of the conference or for a decent TV contract.

(07-03-2012 12:11 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 12:08 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 10:06 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 09:00 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Rutgers just signed a 1 and done with Arkansas,

Actually its a home and home. Fayetteville this year, Piscataway next year.

Ok thanks, that's what happens when I try to post from memory. I don't have power right now, so I don't have the battery life to look up the things I'm referencing.

Are you in one of the areas affected by the storms? If so, I hope you and yours are safe and doing well.

Technically I was in 2 areas affected by the storms. I was in Blacksburg Friday and we lost power for 14 hours then 2 more storms came and we lost power again and left with the power off. Then we came home to Richmond and the power has been off since Friday. Fortunately I'm going to go play poker tonight and will get to charge up my laptop and phone.

Thanks for the wishes. My laptop power is at 7% so I won't be online much longer.

(07-03-2012 12:11 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 12:08 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 10:06 AM)brista21 Wrote:  

(07-03-2012 09:00 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Rutgers just signed a 1 and done with Arkansas,

Actually its a home and home. Fayetteville this year, Piscataway next year.

Ok thanks, that's what happens when I try to post from memory. I don't have power right now, so I don't have the battery life to look up the things I'm referencing.

Are you in one of the areas affected by the storms? If so, I hope you and yours are safe and doing well.

Yes. It has been the worst non-hurricane storm I've ever seen. Thanks for the wishes. Safe and well. Just staying out of the heat.

(07-03-2012 03:55 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Perhaps I was mixing 2 calculations in my head. Clemson does as well (on paper at least) with rotating 6/7 home games if all OoC games are vs. marquee teams (ie. replace the Ball States and the Troys with another Georgia or Auburn, even though you only get to play at home every other year). Problem: SoS is so high now maybe it's TOO high. But the money is there because ticket prices would be higher.

Are you including all revenue? Parking, concessions, etc.?

Quote:The neutral site game is something you would do on your own, not through a middle-man. I wonder how the numbers for the game vs. Temple (in Charlotte) compare to the ones in Atlanta? I doubt you sold out the stadium for Temple, though!

It wasn't a sellout, and we saw little revenue. It was actually Temple's home game of a 2 for 1 we signed when the Big East kicked them out. When they joined the MAC Central Michigan took the final game @ Clemson (MAC schools picked up a lot of Temple's 12 scheduled games for the next couple of years).

(07-03-2012 10:15 AM)XLance Wrote:  That's crazy talk.
If your school has a nice facility....use it....fill it up. I surely wouldn't want the Heels to be playing a "home" game in Charlotte. Dumb!
We pay a premium like other schools to get seats in the "right" spot, contribute lots to get a good parking place, etc. There is no advantage to going to a neutral city where the organizers will get all of the good stuff and the loyal fans get stuck in the corners as if we were in a bowl game.

And besides, a significant portion of your crowd can't just walk out of the stadium in Charlotte at halftime to go watch an open basketball practice like they do in Keenan.

(06-30-2012 12:00 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Louisville, Cincinnati, Boise St, Houston, USF - why not?
UCF, Rutgers, UConn - probably not
SD State, Memphis, Temple - not for VT, no.

I think most BE teams fall into that group of "better than an FCS to play at home/no desire to go to their place".

You'd rather play Houston than us? What's wrong? You dont want us ruining your nat'l title hopes again?

(07-01-2012 10:56 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Now that Pitt, Cuse and WVU have moved on, there's no one left in the BE that I would want for VT's 1 equity conference game.

Now basketball on the other hand, there are piles of schools I'd like to see a home and home series with. In no particular order: UConn Louisville Temple Memphis Cincinnati ND Georgetown Villanova.

And I'm looking forward to playing expatriots Cuse Pitt and WVU regularly. We have a series with WVU and hopefully there won't be a riot and can extend the series.

If you won't schedule us in football, there is zero chance we would play you in basketball.

(07-04-2012 12:10 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(07-01-2012 10:56 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Now that Pitt, Cuse and WVU have moved on, there's no one left in the BE that I would want for VT's 1 equity conference game.

Now basketball on the other hand, there are piles of schools I'd like to see a home and home series with. In no particular order: UConn Louisville Temple Memphis Cincinnati ND Georgetown Villanova.

And I'm looking forward to playing expatriots Cuse Pitt and WVU regularly. We have a series with WVU and hopefully there won't be a riot and can extend the series.

If you won't schedule us in football, there is zero chance we would play you in basketball.

Be about the only way your worthless football program would get a game against Clemson.

(07-04-2012 12:45 AM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 12:10 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(07-01-2012 10:56 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Now that Pitt, Cuse and WVU have moved on, there's no one left in the BE that I would want for VT's 1 equity conference game.

Now basketball on the other hand, there are piles of schools I'd like to see a home and home series with. In no particular order: UConn Louisville Temple Memphis Cincinnati ND Georgetown Villanova.

And I'm looking forward to playing expatriots Cuse Pitt and WVU regularly. We have a series with WVU and hopefully there won't be a riot and can extend the series.

If you won't schedule us in football, there is zero chance we would play you in basketball.

Be about the only way your worthless football program would get a game against Clemson.

It seems Clemson may have a scheduling problem in the near future in my estimation because the only team worthy or playing Clemson is...Clemson.

(07-04-2012 01:28 AM)ndlutz Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 12:45 AM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(07-04-2012 12:10 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(07-01-2012 10:56 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Now that Pitt, Cuse and WVU have moved on, there's no one left in the BE that I would want for VT's 1 equity conference game.

Now basketball on the other hand, there are piles of schools I'd like to see a home and home series with. In no particular order: UConn Louisville Temple Memphis Cincinnati ND Georgetown Villanova.

And I'm looking forward to playing expatriots Cuse Pitt and WVU regularly. We have a series with WVU and hopefully there won't be a riot and can extend the series.

If you won't schedule us in football, there is zero chance we would play you in basketball.

Be about the only way your worthless football program would get a game against Clemson.

It seems Clemson may have a scheduling problem in the near future in my estimation because the only team worthy or playing Clemson is...Clemson.

No, not really.

With the dumb*** 9th ACC game we only have to find two "one and done" OOC games one year and one "one and done" OOC game the other.

We just have to figure out where to create the extra revenue we will lose because of the 15 Syracuse football fans and the 6 Pitt football fans.