I've been on-board with this since November. Nothing indicates a clearer lack of institutional control than a systemic cover-up of serial child rape in order to protect a football program's image.

At the bare minimum, Sandusky's picture needs to be on the inside of every Toilet bowl and Urinal on Campus. A Statue of Sandusky needs to be permanently erected ( No Pun Intended) to the Home Teams Locker Room, so as Every future recruit will have to pass by it along with Their Families when making visits. Maybe the official PSU program for New Students should have His Picture, smiling and pointing like He's saying "I want You" on the Cover for Years to come.
Big 10 should also look into a possible Blackball from the League. That type of coverup has No Excuse and should be Dealt With.
Players should not be punished for the Coaches and Administration Screw ups. They should be given a chance to transfer with no waiting period. Thus also I hope when PSU goes on the road this season, opposing Fans do not take it out on the players.

For those too lazy to open the pdf file, here is the pertinent part:




Notice paragraphs 2,3,&4 list out exactly why this is an NCAA matter. Compliance goes well beyond actions of student athletes and gaining an unfair advantage. NCAA bylaws clearly describe moral behavior as well.

To quote:
"... responsibilities for the actions of its' staff members and for the actions of any other individual or organization engaged in activities promoting the athletic interests of the institution."

IMO, the NCAA is saying that PSU had a STRICT LIABILITY to ensure for the welfare and safety of these young men, and to stop that sick predator. In the eyes of the NCAA, PSU potentially is directly responsible for the heinous acts perpetrated upon these boys, and should be held responsible under NCAA bylaws.

Shut it down. The entire athletic department for not less than 8 years. Allow ALL student athletes immediate transfer with full eligibility at their receiving institutions. Place a show cause order on every supervisory member of the Athletic Department above head coaches of other sports and a permanent ban for all athletic personnel shown to have covered up knowledge of ANY of these incidents.

"Those who do not, FAIL US ALL."

Good post. That kills any argument that the NCAA has no jurisdiction. Now, let's see if they have the guts to shut down PSU athletics. This goes way beyond any NCAA rule breaking. If any program ever deserved the death penalty, this is it.

(06-24-2012 10:25 PM)NTMB Wrote:  For those too lazy to open the pdf file, here is the pertinent part:




Notice paragraphs 2,3,&4 list out exactly why this is an NCAA matter. Compliance goes well beyond actions of student athletes and gaining an unfair advantage. NCAA bylaws clearly describe moral behavior as well.

To quote:
"... responsibilities for the actions of its' staff members and for the actions of any other individual or organization engaged in activities promoting the athletic interests of the institution."

IMO, the NCAA is saying that PSU had a STRICT LIABILITY to ensure for the welfare and safety of these young men, and to stop that sick predator. In the eyes of the NCAA, PSU potentially is directly responsible for the heinous acts perpetrated upon these boys, and should be held responsible under NCAA bylaws.

Shut it down. The entire athletic department for not less than 8 years. Allow ALL student athletes immediate transfer with full eligibility at their receiving institutions. Place a show cause order on every supervisory member of the Athletic Department above head coaches of other sports and a permanent ban for all athletic personnel shown to have covered up knowledge of ANY of these incidents.

"Those who do not, FAIL US ALL."

Great post.

For the few against the death penalty for Penn state I'm curious as to what it would take. If Sandusky would have been a serial killer? I would guess probably but since he was only victimizing children and that multiple people were aware for a span of years while he continued to prey on children, it's ok? If there were ever a justifiable reason for death penalty fora program this is it.

(06-25-2012 12:47 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  For the few against the death penalty for Penn state I'm curious as to what it would take. If Sandusky would have been a serial killer? I would guess probably but since he was only victimizing children and that multiple people were aware for a span of years while he continued to prey on children, it's ok? If there were ever a justifiable reason for death penalty fora program this is it.

I think if there are a few that think the NCAA shouldn't even get involved with the Penn State situation, let alone give Penn State the death penalty, are probably those that are aware of all of the facts in regards to this case, many of which were learned well after the NCAA sent out that letter last Nov.

And the investigations are not close to being finished...and when they are, the NCAA might have more than enough info to conclude a very harsh penalty against Penn State Univ Athletics.

I imagine the NCAA is going to wait to see what's left after the Feds, courts finish, and possibly the state of Pennsylvania with State College.

The most disgusting thing of it all is that the police investigated an incident between Sandusky and a minor in 1998. They found something (how much I don't know, but enough to make him "apologize" to the victim and his mother), and swept it under the rug. That disgusts me more than anything else in this entire situation. Someone, the DA, the police department brass, the detectives investigating, SOMEONE, should be charged for that.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/loca...on-224764/

(06-25-2012 01:02 PM)Delin Wrote:  I imagine the NCAA is going to wait to see what's left after the Feds, courts finish, and possibly the state of Pennsylvania with State College.

The most disgusting thing of it all is that the police investigated an incident between Sandusky and a minor in 1998. They found something (how much I don't know, but enough to make him "apologize" to the victim and his mother), and swept it under the rug. That disgusts me more than anything else in this entire situation. Someone, the DA, the police department brass, the detectives investigating, SOMEONE, should be charged for that.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/loca...on-224764/

First...Univ Park (home to Penn State Univ) and Penn State Univ Police were all involved in past investigations into Sandusky, and its not surprising that most of those investigations suddenly STOPPED.

Remember, it was the District Attorney for Centre County, PA (from 1985-2005) during most of the Sandusky sex scandal and report of abuse, that suddenly DISAPPEARED back in April 2005...and now declared dead, its just another aspect to this sick and crazy case.

Here's an in-depth article into his disappearance and other aspects to his life:

Ray Gricar mystery: DA's privacy adds to intrigue surrounding his disappearance
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.s...stery.html

(06-22-2012 09:27 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  This is a legal matter, and the NCAA should have nothing to do with it.

Wrong.

(06-24-2012 05:20 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Paterno is guilty of nothing more than, at the age of nearly 80, being slow to comprehend and act on what was being explained to him or otherwise resigned to the fact that PSU wouldn't do anything about it anyway.

Wrong.

Paterno was the Pope.

Curley was a Cardinal - a former Paterno QB that ascended to AD.

McQueary was a young Deacon - a former Paterno QB who was serving as Grad Assistant.

Sandusky was a Bishop - an ex-Paterno LB who rose to Defensive Coordinator.

On June 1, 1998, the University police investigate Bishop Sandusky for molestation. Sandusky admits to showering naked with Victim 6, but gets off with a warning.

On December 28, 1999, Bishop Sandusky retires from football, but retains many "church" privileges at Penn State including access to the lockerroom.

In February 2001 (less than 3 years after the 1998 investigation that Paterno and Curley knew about), Deacon McQueary sees former Bishop Sandusky raping Victim 2 in the Penn State lockerroom showers.

The next day, Deacon McQueary goes to Pope Paterno's house and tells him what he saw. Paterno is only 74 years old at the time. We've had Presidents that age.

The next day, Pope Paterno calls Cardinal Curley over to the Pope's house to discuss how they are going to handle the situation.

What happens? How does the situation get handled?

1. Nothing gets reported to the police;

2. Bishop Sandusky is told not to bring minors on campus;

3. Deacon McQueary gets promoted to Priest (becomes a full-time assistant) for keeping his mouth shut;

4. And Pope Paterno, who was just 2 wins shy of Bear Bryant's record when Bishop Sandusky raped Victim 2, gets on about his quest to break the record without any untidy child molester investigations to interfere with. He keeps it hidden for 10 more years while he goes after Eddie Robinson's record.

Classic cover up.

(06-25-2012 01:35 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-25-2012 01:02 PM)Delin Wrote:  I imagine the NCAA is going to wait to see what's left after the Feds, courts finish, and possibly the state of Pennsylvania with State College.

The most disgusting thing of it all is that the police investigated an incident between Sandusky and a minor in 1998. They found something (how much I don't know, but enough to make him "apologize" to the victim and his mother), and swept it under the rug. That disgusts me more than anything else in this entire situation. Someone, the DA, the police department brass, the detectives investigating, SOMEONE, should be charged for that.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/loca...on-224764/

First...Univ Park (home to Penn State Univ) and Penn State Univ Police were all involved in past investigations into Sandusky, and its not surprising that most of those investigations suddenly STOPPED.

Remember, it was the District Attorney for Centre County, PA (from 1985-2005) during most of the Sandusky sex scandal and report of abuse, that suddenly DISAPPEARED back in April 2005...and now declared dead, its just another aspect to this sick and crazy case.

Here's an in-depth article into his disappearance and other aspects to his life:

Ray Gricar mystery: DA's privacy adds to intrigue surrounding his disappearance
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.s...stery.html

Ok...this is among the craziest s*** I've ever read...It's like a crime drama, only makes a lot less sense. That's one wild read.

Methinks Cougar Red spent too much time reading Dan Brown novels.

(06-25-2012 03:10 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Methinks Cougar Red spent too much time reading Dan Brown novels.

Or reading the fncking news. Ever heard of the Catholic priest sex abuse scandal? Google it. Pull your head out of the sand and see what has happened. You are making excuses for a rapist and his enablers, but you want to make fun of people who take this crap seriously.

(06-25-2012 03:10 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  Methinks Cougar Red spent too much time reading Dan Brown novels.

Really?

Thought his post made a lot of sense.

The same day Sandusky was convicted on 45 counts of sexual child abuse and rape, Monsignor William Lynn of Philadelphia was convicted on child endangerment charge, who ignored obvious signs that a Priest was molesting a 10 year old boy.

SAME DAY...last Friday.

Monsignor in Philadelphia found guilty of child endangerment
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/loca...41601/?p=2

Nothing short of the death penalty would be appropriate. Can't help but wonder who will replace Penn State?

(06-25-2012 04:08 PM)Vewb1 Wrote:  Nothing short of the death penalty would be appropriate. Can't help but wonder who will replace Penn State?

IF that happened, not necessarily anybody. The B1G could play with 11 teams, like they did for 20 years, until PSU comes back.

Or, they could add one, and then one more when PSU returned, but that seems less likely.

The NCAA doesn't have the moral courage to take on the SEC, and won't risk the fight against Penn State.

(06-24-2012 07:50 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Penn St is going to be open to many lawsuits, and officials may well still face charges. I am all for condemnation they receive, and legal actions that happen. Those are separate from the job of the NCAA which is overseeing athletics and fairness of those athletics.

If Penn State's coaching staff and administrative covered up a crime to maintain an image which gave them an obvious recruiting advantage which in turn help them financially then yes...the NCAA has every right to punish Penn State and they will imo.

One of the many disturbing things about this case was that Jerry Sandusky still had access to PSU facilities up until the week the crap hit the fan last year. Think about that for a moment--- they knew as early as 1998 of inappropriate behavior, they knew of the Mike McQueary allegations from 2001, they knew about the Grand Jury Testimony that had taken place earlier in the year and the overall investigations that had been going on for a couple years prior to that.