Pockets of rationality still exist in this country. Good to hear.

What a f*cking stupid law. Not surprising that the usual crew of conservative dumbazzes support it.

Tell you what, draw on a cop when they come over. You'll find the meaning of the term "suicide by cop." The gene pool will improve when you're gone.

(06-12-2012 06:22 PM)TOGC Wrote:  Tell you what, draw on a cop when they come over. You'll find the meaning of the term "suicide by cop."

Honestly, I think this is where the rubber meets the road. This law is intended to provide you legal cover in the event you get lucky and survive such a confrontation, I suppose.

(06-12-2012 06:25 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 06:22 PM)TOGC Wrote:  Tell you what, draw on a cop when they come over. You'll find the meaning of the term "suicide by cop."

Honestly, I think this is where the rubber meets the road. This law is intended to provide you legal cover in the event you get lucky and survive such a confrontation, I suppose.

Obviously Greg doesn't understand the law.

If you know, or SHOuLD know that they actually are the police, then you have no right to fire upon them. This is merely an extension of the right to defend yourself against intruders. The police, acting on a warrant, are by definition, not intruders. It protects a law abiding citizen from being convicted of threatening a police officer by grabbing your gun when you hear a noise... Or from shooting him if he doesn't identify himself. It doesn't make it legal to shoot the police. It merely changes the presumption. If you say you shot the cop because you thought he was a burglar, it is up to the police to show that you didn't... As opposed to assuming you did.. Presumption of innocence rather than guilt. That's all.

The headline is very misleading.. Intentionally I'm sure... And the dumb ones are those that don't see through it

You don't understand the consequences of the law. If you shoot a cop, you might as well put the next one in your own temple.

(06-12-2012 06:52 PM)TOGC Wrote:  You don't understand the consequences of the law. If you shoot a cop, you might as well put the next one in your own temple.

Then nothing has changed... But that isn't the situation. In general, if you shoot at someone braking inyo your house, there's a pretty good chance they're going to shoot back.

There is a reason police must identify themselves. If they fail to do so, and you shoot them as a result... They have to now show that you knew they were police and fired anyway.. As opposed to previously where you had to prove you didn't know.

Amazingly, once again, the people who almost always side with actual criminals... Because ONE mistake is too many... Don't want to give law abiding citizens the same protction

(06-12-2012 07:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Amazingly, once again, the people who almost always side with actual criminals... Because ONE mistake is too many... Don't want to give law abiding citizens the same protction

My dad worked on the police force for 31 years. I don't want any gun-toting azzhole to ever take a crack at any cop ever.

F*ck the people who thought this law was a good idea.

Understand, Greg... That a law abiding citizen looking to protect himself from an intruder is going to pull his gun when someone breaks in.. UNLESS he knows it is the police. Understand and start from a position where this is legal, regardless of your opinion about it. If he doesn't know it is a cop, and it turns out to be... Should THAT result in a murder conviction if you cant prove that in thise 10 seconds, you didnt know they were a cop, Or should the state have to prove that you KNEW it was a cop to convict you?

Proof would be things like police cars... Flashing lights, uniforms... Yelling "Police" and the most important thing in my mind.... Some sort of expectation that the police might have radon to kick down your door in the middle of the night.

Your comment about taking a crack at a cop is absurd. If he is kicking in doors of private homes, he darn well better make his identity known. I'm quite certain your father did this

(06-12-2012 07:02 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 07:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Amazingly, once again, the people who almost always side with actual criminals... Because ONE mistake is too many... Don't want to give law abiding citizens the same protction

My dad worked on the police force for 31 years. I don't want any gun-toting azzhole to ever take a crack at any cop ever.

F*ck the people who thought this law was a good idea.

You haven't even read what's proposed, have you moron?

(06-12-2012 07:19 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 07:02 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 07:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Amazingly, once again, the people who almost always side with actual criminals... Because ONE mistake is too many... Don't want to give law abiding citizens the same protction

My dad worked on the police force for 31 years. I don't want any gun-toting azzhole to ever take a crack at any cop ever.

F*ck the people who thought this law was a good idea.

You haven't even read what's proposed, have you moron?

I'm really, really hoping that you go to Indiana so you can be the first one to test this law.

(06-12-2012 10:24 PM)TOGC Wrote:  I'm really, really hoping that you go to Indiana so you can be the first one to test this law.

Cops bust in my house, don't announce, shoot my dogs, am I supposed to just take it? Most good cops don't do that ****. I'm firing rounds if it happens to me. You knock on my door. I come outside. We're cool. You bust through my door, there's a 100% chance you have the wrong house. How about these incompetent morons get the gdamn number right for a change?

(06-12-2012 10:33 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 10:24 PM)TOGC Wrote:  I'm really, really hoping that you go to Indiana so you can be the first one to test this law.

Cops bust in my house, don't announce, shoot my dogs, am I supposed to just take it? Most good cops don't do that ****. I'm firing rounds if it happens to me. You knock on my door. I come outside. We're cool. You bust through my door, there's a 100% chance you have the wrong house. How about these incompetent morons get the gdamn number right for a change?

The second you start firing, they call in backup and you become swiss cheese.

(06-12-2012 10:47 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 10:33 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 10:24 PM)TOGC Wrote:  I'm really, really hoping that you go to Indiana so you can be the first one to test this law.

Cops bust in my house, don't announce, shoot my dogs, am I supposed to just take it? Most good cops don't do that ****. I'm firing rounds if it happens to me. You knock on my door. I come outside. We're cool. You bust through my door, there's a 100% chance you have the wrong house. How about these incompetent morons get the gdamn number right for a change?

The second you start firing, they call in backup and you become swiss cheese.

And I give up and win in court due to them having the wrong address and busting in unannounced. Again, have you even READ the f'n proposal?

Anyone busts down my door unannounced, they're dead, Greg. I don't give a damn if it's the Pope. First off, my Lhasas are gonna be shot, which will throw me into a rage you will hopefully never have to experience. Cops want me, knock on my f'n door.

Just going off the title of the thread (will read more tomorrow), the solution is to reign in and to actually hold the police accountable. Not to encourage a showdown between the public and the cops. This may sound like creating a level playing field, but the police are always gonna be coming bigger, faster, and harder than the people they're going after. Even if you're in the right, all that's gonna happen is your gonna wind up with even more dead civilians and cops.

(06-12-2012 07:02 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 07:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Amazingly, once again, the people who almost always side with actual criminals... Because ONE mistake is too many... Don't want to give law abiding citizens the same protction

My dad worked on the police force for 31 years. I don't want any gun-toting azzhole to ever take a crack at any cop ever.

F*ck the people who thought this law was a good idea.

ALEC just LOVES writing these laws.

(06-12-2012 10:24 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 07:19 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 07:02 PM)TOGC Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 07:00 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Amazingly, once again, the people who almost always side with actual criminals... Because ONE mistake is too many... Don't want to give law abiding citizens the same protction

My dad worked on the police force for 31 years. I don't want any gun-toting azzhole to ever take a crack at any cop ever.

F*ck the people who thought this law was a good idea.

You haven't even read what's proposed, have you moron?

I'm really, really hoping that you go to Indiana so you can be the first one to test this law.

Amen!

(06-13-2012 12:07 AM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  Just going off the title of the thread (will read more tomorrow), the solution is to reign in and to actually hold the police accountable. Not to encourage a showdown between the public and the cops. This may sound like creating a level playing field, but the police are always gonna be coming bigger, faster, and harder than the people they're going after. Even if you're in the right, all that's gonna happen is your gonna wind up with even more dead civilians and cops.

True. We are seeing an increasing militarization of the police. This is wrong. In the founders day, they wanted the general populaces equally armed. The police should be a constrained force. What do you think would help get that point across to them better than laws like this?

If you've done nothing wrong and the cops break into your house and you have no idea who it is and shoot one, you should NOT be prosecuted for this. 'Course that's mute being as how you're dead.

I'm with Rebel on this. Bust in my house unannounced and you're getting shot at. Shoot my dog and someones going to die. If a few irresponsible cops get shot then the rest will surely follow due process.

I'd shoot damn near anyone that harmed my dog. I love that dog more than most people.

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