Quote:Radakovich also told fans that the league is trying to develop a bowl game similar to the one that the Big 12 and SEC announced Friday. That game will match those two leagues’ conference champions should they not make the expected four-team playoff. He said there is a great desire for the ACC to match up its conference champion, should it not make the playoff, “and play a quality bowl game.”

Radakovich mentioned the Big Ten and SEC as potential partners.

The Big 10 has the Pac 12 and The SEC has the Big 12. The ACC needs to partner with the Big East.


http://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-tech/t...43915.html

"...quality Bowl game"

So....ACC #1 vs SEC or Big10 #4/5 ?

So theoretically, an undefeated or one loss ACC team could play a 3 or 4 loss SEC team. Now.....that is something to get the ACC fanbase excited.

anyone still the pictures of the ACC game in Tampa or JAX?

I think we need to do the same thing, honestly. Both of our champions will get a better payout from playing a 3rd place B1G or SEC team than from playing each other. I just hope we can shmooze our way into a relationship with one of the Cartel Four.

If the Big 12/SEC end up in the Sugar Bowl, I could see the Orange Bowl being ACC #1 vs. Big Ten/SEC #2 (each get 2 out of 4 years or else it just takes the highest ranked left between them).

Edit: If the Big 12/SEC play somewhere besides the Sugar Bowl then I think the SEC #2 is a lock for the Sugar Bowl.

The best situation for the ACC and Big East would be ACC #1 vs Big East #1 or ND, whoever is ranked higher.

Pride will likely get in the way of that and the Big East will have to resort to going after a #2 from one of the other Big 6 conferences.

(05-24-2012 04:52 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  The best situation for the ACC and Big East would be ACC #1 vs Big East #1 or ND, whoever is ranked higher.

Pride will likely get in the way of that and the Big East will have to resort to going after a #2 from one of the other Big 6 conferences.

Not trying to rain on that idea. But I think the ACC #1 vs. SEC/B1G #3 would be much more attractive.

Just take last year into account. I think fans, nationally, would much rather see a Clemson/VA Tech vs. Arkansas or Ohio State instead of the Big East champ.

(05-24-2012 04:52 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  The best situation for the ACC and Big East would be ACC #1 vs Big East #1 or ND, whoever is ranked higher.

Pride will likely get in the way of that and the Big East will have to resort to going after a #2 from one of the other Big 6 conferences.

Big East Champ vs ACC #2 wouldn't be that bad if Notre Dame wasn't involved for more than one season.

Big East Champ versus Big Ten 3 could work too. I know its the sexy pick for some members but Penn State-Rutgers, Cincinnati-Ohio State, Cincinnati-Michigan State, Boise State-Nebraska could be interesting matchups. Play the game in New York around New Years. It wouldn't be worst thing in the world if Big East Champion was associated with New York City. This is still a better idea than playing a conference championship at Yankee Stadium.

(05-24-2012 05:06 PM)MeanGreenFan123 Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 04:52 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  The best situation for the ACC and Big East would be ACC #1 vs Big East #1 or ND, whoever is ranked higher.

Pride will likely get in the way of that and the Big East will have to resort to going after a #2 from one of the other Big 6 conferences.

Not trying to rain on that idea. But I think the ACC #1 vs. SEC/B1G #3 would be much more attractive.

Just take last year into account. I think fans, nationally, would much rather see a Clemson/VA Tech vs. Arkansas or Ohio State instead of the Big East champ.

You must enjoy woodshed beatings, since that's what happens to the ACC in BCS games nearly every season.

(05-24-2012 04:52 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  The best situation for the ACC and Big East would be ACC #1 vs Big East #1 or ND, whoever is ranked higher.

Pride will likely get in the way of that and the Big East will have to resort to going after a #2 from one of the other Big 6 conferences.

yep...

(05-24-2012 05:20 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 05:06 PM)MeanGreenFan123 Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 04:52 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  The best situation for the ACC and Big East would be ACC #1 vs Big East #1 or ND, whoever is ranked higher.

Pride will likely get in the way of that and the Big East will have to resort to going after a #2 from one of the other Big 6 conferences.

Not trying to rain on that idea. But I think the ACC #1 vs. SEC/B1G #3 would be much more attractive.

Just take last year into account. I think fans, nationally, would much rather see a Clemson/VA Tech vs. Arkansas or Ohio State instead of the Big East champ.

You must enjoy woodshed beatings, since that's what happens to the ACC in BCS games nearly every season.

Haha I don't mind that. Not an ACC fan...I could care less. I actually kind of like it. I'm just trying to be realistic. Now, if Florida State and Clemson bolt...then that's a different story and a Big East #1 vs. ACC #1 might make sense. I'm just saying that as of now, the ACC has too many "traditionally good" teams (Clemson, VA Tech, Miami, Florida State) on the top end to say that a Big East #1 vs. ACC #1 would be viable.

ACC 1 vs. Big East 1, Orange Bowl. Should be an obvious pick, esp. if Jerry Jones overbids for the SEC-Big 12 game and folds the Cotton Bowl into it. At that point, the Orange and Fiesta are somewhat out of luck on the open market.

(05-24-2012 05:26 PM)MeanGreenFan123 Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 05:20 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 05:06 PM)MeanGreenFan123 Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 04:52 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  The best situation for the ACC and Big East would be ACC #1 vs Big East #1 or ND, whoever is ranked higher.

Pride will likely get in the way of that and the Big East will have to resort to going after a #2 from one of the other Big 6 conferences.

Not trying to rain on that idea. But I think the ACC #1 vs. SEC/B1G #3 would be much more attractive.

Just take last year into account. I think fans, nationally, would much rather see a Clemson/VA Tech vs. Arkansas or Ohio State instead of the Big East champ.

You must enjoy woodshed beatings, since that's what happens to the ACC in BCS games nearly every season.

Haha I don't mind that. Not an ACC fan...I could care less. I actually kind of like it. I'm just trying to be realistic. Now, if Florida State and Clemson bolt...then that's a different story and a Big East #1 vs. ACC #1 might make sense. I'm just saying that as of now, the ACC has too many "traditionally good" teams (Clemson, VA Tech, Miami, Florida State) on the top end to say that a Big East #1 vs. ACC #1 would be viable.

I understand what you are saying. For TV purposes the ACC wins. Funny since Big East #1 vs ACC #1 has been a very common matchup over the last decade and if we want to speak to viability on the field, the ACC was on life support.

(05-24-2012 06:11 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  ACC 1 vs. Big East 1, Orange Bowl. Should be an obvious pick, esp. if Jerry Jones overbids for the SEC-Big 12 game and folds the Cotton Bowl into it. At that point, the Orange and Fiesta are somewhat out of luck on the open market.

The Orange Bowl absolutely hated getting saddled with ACC/Big East games, so why on earth would they want to codify that by signing a tie-in for that game?

Let's face it: The comment by the Georgia Tech AD is just more evidence that we are being shut out of the major bowl tie-ins. If even the ACC would rather tie-in with the SEC or Big 12 also-rans than our champ, then we are likely in deep trouble in terms of finding a quality bowl for our champ.

(05-24-2012 07:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 06:11 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  ACC 1 vs. Big East 1, Orange Bowl. Should be an obvious pick, esp. if Jerry Jones overbids for the SEC-Big 12 game and folds the Cotton Bowl into it. At that point, the Orange and Fiesta are somewhat out of luck on the open market.

The Orange Bowl absolutely hated getting saddled with ACC/Big East games, so why on earth would they want to codify that by signing a tie-in for that game?

Let's face it: The comment by the Georgia Tech AD is just more evidence that we are being shut out of the major bowl tie-ins. If even the ACC would rather tie-in with the SEC or Big 12 also-rans than our champ, then we are likely in deep trouble in terms of finding a quality bowl for our champ.

Agree...and if I'm the ACC I probably try for a bowl tie in with a B12/SEC/B10 "also-ran" just to make a statement that we (ACC) is above the BE. If the ACC agreed to a ACC #1 vs BE #1 they are openly saying the two conferences are equals most years. I don't see them wanting to advance this publically. Even if it was true "on the field" they won't want the perception to be thus.

IF the ACC gets a bowl tie in with B12 #whatever instead of BE #1 it will really really make us look bad.

(05-24-2012 09:01 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 07:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 06:11 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  ACC 1 vs. Big East 1, Orange Bowl. Should be an obvious pick, esp. if Jerry Jones overbids for the SEC-Big 12 game and folds the Cotton Bowl into it. At that point, the Orange and Fiesta are somewhat out of luck on the open market.

The Orange Bowl absolutely hated getting saddled with ACC/Big East games, so why on earth would they want to codify that by signing a tie-in for that game?

Let's face it: The comment by the Georgia Tech AD is just more evidence that we are being shut out of the major bowl tie-ins. If even the ACC would rather tie-in with the SEC or Big 12 also-rans than our champ, then we are likely in deep trouble in terms of finding a quality bowl for our champ.

Agree...and if I'm the ACC I probably try for a bowl tie in with a B12/SEC/B10 "also-ran" just to make a statement that we (ACC) is above the BE. If the ACC agreed to a ACC #1 vs BE #1 they are openly saying the two conferences are equals most years. I don't see them wanting to advance this publically. Even if it was true "on the field" they won't want the perception to be thus.

IF the ACC gets a bowl tie in with B12 #whatever instead of BE #1 it will really really make us look bad.

Good point. Sometimes, "perception" is more important than hard realities. Maybe the ACC would be better off by playing their champ in a game with our champ. But, their pride is on the line, maybe it mortifies them to think they are in the same category as us, so they will refuse to do that rather than concede to the nation that we ARE in fact in the same boat.

People do sometimes cut off their noses to spite their faces ...

(05-24-2012 09:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 09:01 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 07:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 06:11 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  ACC 1 vs. Big East 1, Orange Bowl. Should be an obvious pick, esp. if Jerry Jones overbids for the SEC-Big 12 game and folds the Cotton Bowl into it. At that point, the Orange and Fiesta are somewhat out of luck on the open market.

The Orange Bowl absolutely hated getting saddled with ACC/Big East games, so why on earth would they want to codify that by signing a tie-in for that game?

Let's face it: The comment by the Georgia Tech AD is just more evidence that we are being shut out of the major bowl tie-ins. If even the ACC would rather tie-in with the SEC or Big 12 also-rans than our champ, then we are likely in deep trouble in terms of finding a quality bowl for our champ.

Agree...and if I'm the ACC I probably try for a bowl tie in with a B12/SEC/B10 "also-ran" just to make a statement that we (ACC) is above the BE. If the ACC agreed to a ACC #1 vs BE #1 they are openly saying the two conferences are equals most years. I don't see them wanting to advance this publically. Even if it was true "on the field" they won't want the perception to be thus.

IF the ACC gets a bowl tie in with B12 #whatever instead of BE #1 it will really really make us look bad.

Good point. Sometimes, "perception" is more important than hard realities. Maybe the ACC would be better off by playing their champ in a game with our champ. But, their pride is on the line, maybe it mortifies them to think they are in the same category as us, so they will refuse to do that rather than concede to the nation that we ARE in fact in the same boat.

People do sometimes cut off their noses to spite their faces ...

yup...perception wise if I'm the ACC champ, I'd rather play say, Ok St who finishes #3 in the B12 ranked let's say, #15 in the nation than play Cincy who, let's say finishes #1 in the BE and #8 nationally.

It's about perception. Even if Cincy is the better team vs Ok St in this example, if you are the ACC champ, you would rather play the B12 team. It's just how it is.

If the ACC ties in with the 2 or 3 from one of the 'big 4', a couple of points: first, they are relegating themselves to secondary status (5 or 6 conference). This cannot be argued, as the 'big 4' will be playing champions bowls, and I'm not sure the ACC wants that to happen. IF they pair with the BE, there is at least somewhat of a perception that the 'big 6' have all tied their champions. Second, if they pair with a 2 or 3, the nBE can do exactly the same thing. We can also pair our champion with a 2 or 3 from somewhere, and end the end stay perfectly even with the ACC (the very thing they are trying to avoid). Bottom line, I don't see much happening either way between the ACC or nBE competition, unless a bunch of misguided BE schools head over to the ACC in an attempt to engineer themselves being on the bigger side of things (basically what Pitt and Cuse did...). If the nBE holds together, it seems extremely likely at this point that it will get a TV deal close to (if not in excess of) the ACC. Admittedly a very much TBD prediction.

(05-24-2012 09:11 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 09:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 09:01 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 07:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 06:11 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  ACC 1 vs. Big East 1, Orange Bowl. Should be an obvious pick, esp. if Jerry Jones overbids for the SEC-Big 12 game and folds the Cotton Bowl into it. At that point, the Orange and Fiesta are somewhat out of luck on the open market.

The Orange Bowl absolutely hated getting saddled with ACC/Big East games, so why on earth would they want to codify that by signing a tie-in for that game?

Let's face it: The comment by the Georgia Tech AD is just more evidence that we are being shut out of the major bowl tie-ins. If even the ACC would rather tie-in with the SEC or Big 12 also-rans than our champ, then we are likely in deep trouble in terms of finding a quality bowl for our champ.

Agree...and if I'm the ACC I probably try for a bowl tie in with a B12/SEC/B10 "also-ran" just to make a statement that we (ACC) is above the BE. If the ACC agreed to a ACC #1 vs BE #1 they are openly saying the two conferences are equals most years. I don't see them wanting to advance this publically. Even if it was true "on the field" they won't want the perception to be thus.

IF the ACC gets a bowl tie in with B12 #whatever instead of BE #1 it will really really make us look bad.

Good point. Sometimes, "perception" is more important than hard realities. Maybe the ACC would be better off by playing their champ in a game with our champ. But, their pride is on the line, maybe it mortifies them to think they are in the same category as us, so they will refuse to do that rather than concede to the nation that we ARE in fact in the same boat.

People do sometimes cut off their noses to spite their faces ...

yup...perception wise if I'm the ACC champ, I'd rather play say, Ok St who finishes #3 in the B12 ranked let's say, #15 in the nation than play Cincy who, let's say finishes #1 in the BE and #8 nationally.

It's about perception. Even if Cincy is the better team vs Ok St in this example, if you are the ACC champ, you would rather play the B12 team. It's just how it is.

I hate the fact that you might be exactly right...

If we get BYU or Air Force that puts at least 5 schools out West... SDSU, Boise State, SMU, Houston & BYU/Air Force/Fresno State. Why not approach the PAC-12 for a western bowl tie in with their #2 or #3 ranked team? Is this a possibility? What are the PAC 12 current bowl tie ins? SDSU hates the PAC 12 sans USC and UCLA and Cal and has a past history with Utah so geographically and rival wise that would be great for most of the Western Big East schools. That would lend itself to some good potential match ups.

The ACC is already seen as 2nd tier no matter what they do. So it will all be about $$$ and lets get real SEC/Big/Big 12 #3 or even #4 will bring in more $$$ than BE champ. I kind of like the idea of BE talking to Pac. They Historically have had problems with bowls after the top 1 or 2. Compared to what the SEC/Big get.