(05-26-2012 04:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 09:14 PM)Bull Wrote:  If the ACC ties in with the 2 or 3 from one of the 'big 4', a couple of points: first, they are relegating themselves to secondary status (5 or 6 conference). This cannot be argued, as the 'big 4' will be playing champions bowls, and I'm not sure the ACC wants that to happen. IF they pair with the BE, there is at least somewhat of a perception that the 'big 6' have all tied their champions.

Problem with this POV is that from a national media perspective, the #2 or even #3 from the SEC or other Big 4 usually gets more respect than the Big East champ.

The problem is I don't think either the ACC/BIG EAST can even get a #2/ from one of the "Big Four" leagues. Those schools are already tied into High $$$$…bowls against each other already. At this point both leagues are looking @ best the #4 through 6 schools from the BIG FOUR.

Also, reading Tony Barnhardt article it appears the Orange Bowl hhas lost a lot of luster-(with his suggestion that the Chick Fil A is regarded as a better bowl-9my opinion is because of the SEC Tie-In)

(05-26-2012 05:04 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 04:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-24-2012 09:14 PM)Bull Wrote:  If the ACC ties in with the 2 or 3 from one of the 'big 4', a couple of points: first, they are relegating themselves to secondary status (5 or 6 conference). This cannot be argued, as the 'big 4' will be playing champions bowls, and I'm not sure the ACC wants that to happen. IF they pair with the BE, there is at least somewhat of a perception that the 'big 6' have all tied their champions.

Problem with this POV is that from a national media perspective, the #2 or even #3 from the SEC or other Big 4 usually gets more respect than the Big East champ.

The problem is I don't think either the ACC/BIG EAST can even get a #2/ from one of the "Big Four" leagues. Those schools are already tied into High $$$$…bowls against each other already. At this point both leagues are looking @ best the #4 through 6 schools from the BIG FOUR.

Also, reading Tony Barnhardt article it appears the Orange Bowl hhas lost a lot of luster-(with his suggestion that the Chick Fil A is regarded as a better bowl-9my opinion is because of the SEC Tie-In)

^Even better reason to avoid that type of matchup and play each other. Both leagues need to step it up on the football field anyway. Take our own respective destinies into our own hands and make the ACC -Big East bowl a huge game every year.

(05-26-2012 03:46 PM)Maize Wrote:  Most years Post Season:

BCS Playoffs-SEC/B1G Champ
Rose Bowl/Champions Bowl-B1G #2-SEC #2/3
Capitol One Bowl B1G #3/SEC #3/4
Gator Bowl B1G #4 vs SEC
Outback Bowl again B1G vs SEC

You see the problem the ACC is going to have. The B1G & SEC now along with the Big XII are already tied into some very big $$$$$ bowls.

At best @ this point both leagues champs are looking @ maybe the Big XII, SEC or B1G #5/6 or the Big XII #4/5

And from what you posted here you can see the gap between the haves and have nots widening big time....dang

(05-26-2012 05:59 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 03:46 PM)Maize Wrote:  Most years Post Season:

BCS Playoffs-SEC/B1G Champ
Rose Bowl/Champions Bowl-B1G #2-SEC #2/3
Capitol One Bowl B1G #3/SEC #3/4
Gator Bowl B1G #4 vs SEC
Outback Bowl again B1G vs SEC

You see the problem the ACC is going to have. The B1G & SEC now along with the Big XII are already tied into some very big $$$$$ bowls.

At best @ this point both leagues champs are looking @ maybe the Big XII, SEC or B1G #5/6 or the Big XII #4/5

And from what you posted here you can see the gap between the haves and have nots widening big time....dang

^Exactly why ACC and Big East need to quit playing the reactionary "victim" and assume responsibilities for our destinies outside of the Big 4 conference cartel. No bowl games wasting our champions against their runners-up / also rans!

MWC kept playing along with big boys and trusted they would earn AQ status as they won on the field. Raided of Utah, then TCU and ultimately BSU and BYU, they have been "kept in their place". Now AQ option raided from ACC and Big East.

ACC and Big East on verge of similar fate if both conferences keep placating Big 4 conference cartel.

(05-26-2012 06:08 PM)CougarTruth Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 05:59 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 03:46 PM)Maize Wrote:  Most years Post Season:

BCS Playoffs-SEC/B1G Champ
Rose Bowl/Champions Bowl-B1G #2-SEC #2/3
Capitol One Bowl B1G #3/SEC #3/4
Gator Bowl B1G #4 vs SEC
Outback Bowl again B1G vs SEC

You see the problem the ACC is going to have. The B1G & SEC now along with the Big XII are already tied into some very big $$$$$ bowls.

At best @ this point both leagues champs are looking @ maybe the Big XII, SEC or B1G #5/6 or the Big XII #4/5

And from what you posted here you can see the gap between the haves and have nots widening big time....dang

^Exactly why ACC and Big East need to quit playing the reactionary "victim" and assume responsibilities for our destinies outside of the Big 4 conference cartel. No bowl games wasting our champions against their runners-up / also rans!

MWC kept playing along with big boys and trusted they would earn AQ status as they won on the field. Raided of Utah, then TCU and ultimately BSU and BYU, they have been "kept in their place". Now AQ option raided from ACC and Big East.

ACC and Big East on verge of similar fate if both conferences keep placating Big 4 conference cartel.

Just did a quick internet research and the problem came up as clear as day.

The ACC/BIG EAST/Notre Dame-(even though the ACC is going to try to get ND to do it without the BIG EAST) needs to come together and form some sort of alliance with the Tier 2 in order to generate some $$$$ flow to stay within shouting distance of the Big Four.

(05-26-2012 07:42 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 06:08 PM)CougarTruth Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 05:59 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 03:46 PM)Maize Wrote:  Most years Post Season:

BCS Playoffs-SEC/B1G Champ
Rose Bowl/Champions Bowl-B1G #2-SEC #2/3
Capitol One Bowl B1G #3/SEC #3/4
Gator Bowl B1G #4 vs SEC
Outback Bowl again B1G vs SEC

You see the problem the ACC is going to have. The B1G & SEC now along with the Big XII are already tied into some very big $$$$$ bowls.

At best @ this point both leagues champs are looking @ maybe the Big XII, SEC or B1G #5/6 or the Big XII #4/5

And from what you posted here you can see the gap between the haves and have nots widening big time....dang

^Exactly why ACC and Big East need to quit playing the reactionary "victim" and assume responsibilities for our destinies outside of the Big 4 conference cartel. No bowl games wasting our champions against their runners-up / also rans!

MWC kept playing along with big boys and trusted they would earn AQ status as they won on the field. Raided of Utah, then TCU and ultimately BSU and BYU, they have been "kept in their place". Now AQ option raided from ACC and Big East.

ACC and Big East on verge of similar fate if both conferences keep placating Big 4 conference cartel.

Just did a quick internet research and the problem came up as clear as day.

The ACC/BIG EAST/Notre Dame-(even though the ACC is going to try to get ND to do it without the BIG EAST) needs to come together and form some sort of alliance with the Tier 2 in order to generate some $$$$ flow to stay within shouting distance of the Big Four.

I would think the BE/ACC/ND could put something together...some tent pole programs in football (fsu, miami, nd,), great markets (mostly from the BE) and ND. It's worth a look...
Throw in BE/ACC hoops and you have a powerhouse there...

(05-26-2012 07:45 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 07:42 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 06:08 PM)CougarTruth Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 05:59 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 03:46 PM)Maize Wrote:  Most years Post Season:

BCS Playoffs-SEC/B1G Champ
Rose Bowl/Champions Bowl-B1G #2-SEC #2/3
Capitol One Bowl B1G #3/SEC #3/4
Gator Bowl B1G #4 vs SEC
Outback Bowl again B1G vs SEC

You see the problem the ACC is going to have. The B1G & SEC now along with the Big XII are already tied into some very big $$$$$ bowls.

At best @ this point both leagues champs are looking @ maybe the Big XII, SEC or B1G #5/6 or the Big XII #4/5

And from what you posted here you can see the gap between the haves and have nots widening big time....dang

^Exactly why ACC and Big East need to quit playing the reactionary "victim" and assume responsibilities for our destinies outside of the Big 4 conference cartel. No bowl games wasting our champions against their runners-up / also rans!

MWC kept playing along with big boys and trusted they would earn AQ status as they won on the field. Raided of Utah, then TCU and ultimately BSU and BYU, they have been "kept in their place". Now AQ option raided from ACC and Big East.

ACC and Big East on verge of similar fate if both conferences keep placating Big 4 conference cartel.

Just did a quick internet research and the problem came up as clear as day.

The ACC/BIG EAST/Notre Dame-(even though the ACC is going to try to get ND to do it without the BIG EAST) needs to come together and form some sort of alliance with the Tier 2 in order to generate some $$$$ flow to stay within shouting distance of the Big Four.

I would think the BE/ACC/ND could put something together...some tent pole programs in football (fsu, miami, nd,), great markets (mostly from the BE) and ND. It's worth a look...
Throw in BE/ACC hoops and you have a powerhouse there...

Yup, but "pride & ego" mainly from Tobacco Road is likely to provent this.

Best situation for Football is the ACC #1-(when not in 4 School Playoff) goes to the Orange Bowl to face the highest ranked school-(either ND or BIG EAST Champ). The lesser of the two goes to the Champs Sports Bowl. Best possible also is to work with ND, also talk to the Fiesta Bowl if instead of the other going to the Champs Sports they would go to the Fiesta Bowl especially if the BIG EAST Champ is ranked in the Top 16.

For Basketball restart the BIG EAST/ACC Challenge with 4 different sites-(NYC MSG/Philly Wells Fargo Center/Charlotte, NC Time Warner Arena & Phillips Arena in Atlanta).

(05-26-2012 07:55 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 07:45 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 07:42 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 06:08 PM)CougarTruth Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 05:59 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  And from what you posted here you can see the gap between the haves and have nots widening big time....dang

^Exactly why ACC and Big East need to quit playing the reactionary "victim" and assume responsibilities for our destinies outside of the Big 4 conference cartel. No bowl games wasting our champions against their runners-up / also rans!

MWC kept playing along with big boys and trusted they would earn AQ status as they won on the field. Raided of Utah, then TCU and ultimately BSU and BYU, they have been "kept in their place". Now AQ option raided from ACC and Big East.

ACC and Big East on verge of similar fate if both conferences keep placating Big 4 conference cartel.

Just did a quick internet research and the problem came up as clear as day.

The ACC/BIG EAST/Notre Dame-(even though the ACC is going to try to get ND to do it without the BIG EAST) needs to come together and form some sort of alliance with the Tier 2 in order to generate some $$$$ flow to stay within shouting distance of the Big Four.

I would think the BE/ACC/ND could put something together...some tent pole programs in football (fsu, miami, nd,), great markets (mostly from the BE) and ND. It's worth a look...
Throw in BE/ACC hoops and you have a powerhouse there...

Yup, but "pride & ego" mainly from Tobacco Road is likely to provent this.

Best situation for Football is the ACC #1-(when not in 4 School Playoff) goes to the Orange Bowl to face the highest ranked school-(either ND or BIG EAST Champ). The lesser of the two goes to the Champs Sports Bowl. Best possible also is to work with ND, also talk to the Fiesta Bowl if instead of the other going to the Champs Sports they would go to the Fiesta Bowl especially if the BIG EAST Champ is ranked in the Top 16.

For Basketball restart the BIG EAST/ACC Challenge with 4 different sites-(NYC MSG/Philly Wells Fargo Center/Charlotte, NC Time Warner Arena & Phillips Arena in Atlanta).

^Rack him! Yes sir!

I predicted this a couple of months ago. You could see it coming a mile away.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...gher-seeds

If this is true - that the semifinal playoff games will be hosted by the top 2 seeds, it really would make the most sense for the Orange Bowl to go after the ACC and Big East champs, which theoretically gives them two shots at occasionally hosting a national semifinal.

USFFan

(05-28-2012 11:37 AM)usffan Wrote:  http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...gher-seeds

If this is true - that the semifinal playoff games will be hosted by the top 2 seeds, it really would make the most sense for the Orange Bowl to go after the ACC and Big East champs, which theoretically gives them two shots at occasionally hosting a national semifinal.

USFFan

IF the Big East champ gets to go to the Orange bowl I will be very happy...

The higher seeds hosting makes tons of sense, so it likely doesn't happen. ACC champ vs a #3 SEC, Big, ect locks them into A long term inferior position, But champ game vs BE likely does the same. The new Big 4 have done a great job separating themselves from the pack.

(05-29-2012 08:19 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The higher seeds hosting makes tons of sense, so it likely doesn't happen. ACC champ vs a #3 SEC, Big, ect locks them into A long term inferior position, But champ game vs BE likely does the same. The new Big 4 have done a great job separating themselves from the pack.

And the ironic thing is it is extremely doubtful that the ACC or BIG EAST could even sniff the SEC #3...this year it would have been Arkansas and if the Champions Bowl is separate from the Sugar/Cotton then they would be playing in the Sugar Bowl anyway.

(05-29-2012 10:13 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(05-29-2012 08:19 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The higher seeds hosting makes tons of sense, so it likely doesn't happen. ACC champ vs a #3 SEC, Big, ect locks them into A long term inferior position, But champ game vs BE likely does the same. The new Big 4 have done a great job separating themselves from the pack.

And the ironic thing is it is extremely doubtful that the ACC or BIG EAST could even sniff the SEC #3...this year it would have been Arkansas and if the Champions Bowl is separate from the Sugar/Cotton then they would be playing in the Sugar Bowl anyway.

The thing is, over time, a Big East vs ACC champion game could be a significant traditional game. Champions vs champions games are actually the only bowl games cabable of doing this. The ACC or Big East vs a SEC #4 is never going to be anything more than a nice second tier exhibition game. Same goes for any "at large" vs "at large" format game. They cant develop any tradition and are destined to become just another irrelevent bowl in the 4-team playoff enviroment that is coming.