First of all L-yes, you don't own this board, nor do you have the right to qustion who posts on it and who doesn't. You are correct, the Gator is not gone yet, but recent information does show that at least my view point was based on solid assumptions and not the meaningless emptional babble you put out everytime someone disagrees with you.

Quote:Eventually an uninformed poster is retuced to personal attacks

Or out of sheer frustration because some guy who's been in the media for '37 years' honestly thinks the ACC might expand again, but sees a football/basketball split in the Big East as lunacy.

Still waiting for that announcement that the Big East hosts its own bowl, only gets 3-4 million, and only plays mid-majors in there BCS Bowl, Mr. Always-Right...

It is lunacy and kept alive only on this board. The BE has not looked at a split since they initally studied it last summer.
You also have a difficult time nfl comprehending what you read. I never said the ACC or B10 would expand, I said 'they could.' You don't make decisions that leave you open like that.
If you do a little research you will find that last summer the ACC studied going to 14 BEFORE taking Va Tech.
Things change, Fox and NBC could alter the market by playing a bigger roll, cable channels could delute the market as well. You just don't know what the landscape will look like 2 or 3 years down the road. I'll tell you this...the Big east will never give up those huge basketball markets. TV contracts are figured on a 'market size/ratings' ratio and it would be suicide to give them up. In a marlet like Louisville you need higher ratings to make up, to some extent, for the small size of the market. In Philly you can get by wilth lower ratings because you are still delivering a lot of people. When you set your rates baed on 'cost per thousand' the big markets become vital.

Quote:I never said the ACC or B10 would expand

I never said you did. I said "honestly thinks the ACC might expand again."

Quote:The BE has not looked at a split since they initally studied it last summer.

Perhaps because the split clause states that it can only be done every 5 years without the exit fees? They've already made the decision to stick with the basketball schools through 2009 or 2010, they don't need to discuss it for at least a couple years, that doesn't mean it's "lunacy" to think they won't ever.

And surely you don't think that LOUISVILLE, CINCINNATI, CONNECTICUT, PITTSBURGH, SYRACUSE, and to a lesser extent WVU, Rutgers, and USF (and potentially Memphis?) will have a difficult time getting a lucrative basketball deal, do you? Sure, it doesn't have 4 of the top 10 markets, but last I checked, Duke was doing okay without a big market.

IF and it is a big IF the group you listed stayed together they could get a decent basketball deal but nothing close to what they can get now. There are simply too many TV sets in those basketball markets. I don't have a calculator handy but you are talking about at least 30 million people in the eight basketball TV markets. It would be a much smaller deal top split...they simply will never do it for that reason. Plus having all that basketball market power assures them of major bucks NO MATTER what happens to football.

Quote:IF and it is a big IF the group you listed stayed together they could get a decent basketball deal but nothing close to what they can get now.

Are you also taking in to consideration the fact that you are splitting the money 8 different ways instead of 16?

Why all the IFs? What possible scenerio would lead these teams apart? ACC expanding to 14? Please.

Quote:Plus having all that basketball market power assures them of major bucks NO MATTER what happens to football.

No, football is still gonna be the bread and butter, but for the next few years they will be close to equals.

The football contract is for 15 million (after a 15 million dollar cut with the departure of VPI, Miami, and BC), basketball is about the same (problem is I don't know how many years either contract is for, so my info might be misleading) . Football will go up when (or IF if you think USF, Cincy, and Ville will never improve) the league improves, basketball... well I don't see how the league can get much better than it already is.

CardinalJim Wrote:I will let Sandman post a link to it since I'm not sure what their policy is here about promoting other sites.
CJ

No harm in a link Jim.

Here you go.

<a href='http://louisville.theinsiders.com/index.html' target='_blank'>InsideTheVille.com</a>

the more and more i think about it...the more i like it...Big East football...A-10 bball for a few years and then full Big East membership...i gues i could go for it...but i would still be very worried if "the split" is really gonna happen...but it would give us BCS access and better basketball than the N-CUSA...it will be fun to see if this becomes more than talk.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

TopCoog Wrote:First of all L-yes, you don't own this board, nor do you have the right to qustion who posts on it and who doesn't.

Your right TopCoog, he doesn't. But I do have the right and the power to do something. Watch yourself Bud, your skating on thin ice.

Big East Mod <span style='color:red'>EnterSandman</span>

TopCoog Wrote:First of all L-yes, you don't own this board, nor do you have the right to qustion who posts on it and who doesn't. You are correct, the Gator is not gone yet, but recent information does show that at least my view point was based on solid assumptions and not the meaningless emptional babble you put out everytime someone disagrees with you.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I've never claimed to own the board or "question who posts on it or who doesn't". I simply pointed out the fact that you have been flat out wrong on all of your predictions concerning the Big East. There is no arguing the point; you simply have no credibility in that all of your insights are baseless and grounded in loathing for the Big East. Whether that loathing is born of jealousy that SMU will forever be a bottom feeder or if its a product of mindless malice it doesn't matter.

Edit: Thanks Sandman

What rude nonsense. Name something i have been wrong about? You simply have a problem with view points that don't agree with yours. i have noticed that in your response to other posters as well. Nothing is any of my posts suggests a dislike for the big east or any other league. I have said repeatedly that the big east is a decent football league. I have also said , in my view, that it does not likely have the marquee programs to ever be a great league the way it is set up now. So far the history of those teams back up my point without question. Thats my view point, I'm entitled to it last time I checked.

TC, whatever man. We've had entire threads devoted to your incorrect predictions. Hell, we had bullet point presentations that were 10 items long with prediction quotes from you followed by published knowledge and reports refuting the outcome you predicted concerning whatever aspect of the Big East you had addressed. Anyone who reads this board with any regularity can vouch for this and call you on your BS. :laugh:

Quote:Name something i have been wrong about?

<span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>THE BIG EAST WILL HAVE TO HOST IT'S OWN BCS BOWL, WILL ONLY GET A 3-4 MILLION DOLLAR PAYOUT, AND WILL ONLY FACE MID-MAJORS IN SAID BOWL.</span>

That could still happen nfl. The only thing the BCS has said is that they are not kicking you out...yet (though they set up the system to do so). They are still expressing real concerns about the marketability of the extra game...here's why. When a bowl has two games the status quo would require them to pay 14 million for each game...thats 28 million in one year. The market won't and can't support that under any forseeable circumstances.When they express concern about marketability that is what they are talking about. One or all of these bowls is going to take a hit. They sell these bowls based on the market/ratings ratio we discussed earlier. They can't make the money off of Louisville/ Miami that they can make off UCLA/Miami. Thats why a weak Nebraska team got into the title game over a great Oregon team, Nebraska was a much easier sell. The advertising logic puts the winner of the Big East vs the non autobid school at a reduced payout because it probably CAN'T work any other way and maintain the syatem.

Quote:That could still happen nfl.

I will honestly bet you money that it will not happen.

Gloom and doom for the Big East is all those left in the fractured CUSA or in the less than important MWC have to look forward to for the next few years. All the internet posting and predicting in the world isn't going to change the fact that the Big East didn't......

1. Merge with CUSA
2. Fail to invite UC, UofL and USF
3. Fail to keep the AUTOMATIC BCS Bid
4. Lose the Gator Bowl

These were all predictions that fans of CUSA and the MWC made in the last year and NONE of them came true. Now lets deal with reality......

1. The ACC will NEVER go to 14 teams when they are having serious problems getting the money they will need to feed 12 mouths. The Big East could further compound this problem by forcing BC to honor an agreement it signed THIS year concerning the 2 year notice. The ACC could not have its conference championship next year if the Big East stands its ground with BC.

2. The Big East will invite a 9th member. The 12 game schedule will force that to happen. The only question is when. (I'm sorry I will take have to take the word of the informed media here in Louisville over an internet poster with an anti-Big East agenda.) Memphis is the logical choice. By adding Memphis you continue to strengthen the strongest basketball conference in America. Before anyone says what about the ACC, remember the had to take Hokie and Hurricane basketball along with their football programs......LMAO.

3. Notre Dame is going nowhere unless it's to the Big Ten. Now that comes from somebody that lives in Indiana whose newspaper yesterday had an article on the front page talking about Irish football practice starting and how Coach W must win now. ANYONE that lives in the Midwest, where the Big Ten is, will tell you that ND has been the target for years and will remain such. That being said, the Big Ten doesn't like change. The people in the Midwest value tradition and tradition in the Midwest is a trip to the Rose Bowl; Not a trip to a meaningless money grab called a conference championship game. Again this comes from someone in Indiana that follows Irish football and attends Irish games. Not someone half way across the country looking for any and every negative thing they can find to support their anti-Big East bias.

Now these realities may not set well with some folks but that's just reality. The truth sometimes hurts.
CJ

So nfl, you are betting money that when the Orange bowl has its turn to host two games it will pay 14 mil for one and 14 mil for the other for a total of 28? You have a very limited understanding of advertising.

I am betting you, that the Big East champion, where ever they go, will receive the same amount of money as the PAC 10, Big 10, SEC, ACC, or Big 12 champion.

Why is it that you continue to harp on this over an over again.

I've been reading your perdition now for over a year. Remember the one about Louisville and Cincy not going any where, I do. What about that perdition that there was no way TCU would go the Mountain West. And then came the one about the Big East losing their BCS bid. (And I'm not talking in the future, and talking last winter.)

And then lets debate this stances that you been going on about ever since you popped up on the killerfrog board.

You know the one about Louisville and others not ever having finished in the top 10. But then you throw in something about how even SMU has. Well last time I checked that was in the mid 80's and that also was some of the best players that SMU boosters could buy. (Can you say Death Penalty, I knew you could.) Where has SMU been since they couldn't cheat, I'll tell you where, in the 100's. Yet Louisville hovers around the top 40's , and you say they are a never was.

Let it go man, you ain't got a dog in this fight. Enjoy C-USA and let us enjoy the New Big East.

TopCoog Wrote:So nfl, you are betting money that when the Orange bowl has its turn to host two games it will pay 14 mil for one and 14 mil for the other for a total of 28? You have a very limited understanding of advertising.

And you have a terrible problem coming to grips with reality.