(03-31-2012 10:52 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 04:25 PM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  If not officially, there's bound to be a subdivisions naturally. Here's how I see it forming:

Tier 1: SEC - B1G - PAC12
Tier 2: Big 12 - ACC
Tier 3: Big East
Tier 4: MW - CUSA - MUSA - Whatever
Tier 5: Sun Belt WAC

Except you haven't tiered the America East, Atlantic Sun, A-10, Big Sky, Big South, Big West, Colonial, Horizon, Ivy, MAAC, MEAC, Missouri Valley, Norheast, Ohio Valley, Patriot, Southern, Southland, SWAC, Summit, and West Coast, all of whom have a seat at the table and are not going away quietly or without a fight.

I dont think this effects bball.

(04-01-2012 10:09 AM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-01-2012 08:58 AM)justinslot Wrote:  The thread in the other forum was closed, but I still wanted to ask: does anybody really think this is going to involve any sport other than football? I mean, any decision that takes all the non-"BCS" (in quotes since who knows what they'll call it) schools out of March Madness is going to be staggeringly unpopular.

It's all speculation at this point. The Big 6 + ND, BYU, and the remaining service academies could break away for all sports, but that doesn't seem as likely. I'm guessing that they'll break away from the other football playing members to form another football division, but it will only have a marginal effect on the other sports.

Who says BYU will get the ND treatment? I don't see that happening. Army might get a pass but not the same power ND has. I don't see them breaking away

(03-31-2012 10:14 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 04:25 PM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  If not officially, there's bound to be a subdivisions naturally. Here's how I see it forming:

Tier 1: SEC - B1G - PAC12
Tier 2: Big 12 - ACC
Tier 3: Big East
Tier 4: MW - CUSA - MUSA - Whatever
Tier 5: Sun Belt WAC

I don't see the ACC being ahead of the Big East. Public perception is already sliding with the ACC. Where the Big East has a history / tradition / powerhouse / top heavy problem, the ACC is just mediocre across the board, exceptions being a Virginia Tech / FSU every other year. Hell, in terms of football power, the only powers in the PAC12 are USC / Stanford / Oregon and MAYBE Utah, and their basketball is worse than some Oly sport only conferences.

If these "divisions" are based solely on tv deal and bowl tie-in agreements, then you may be spot on, but in football performance they need modification.

First off, I want to make clear that I love this conferece and am anxiously looking forward to competing in it. I fully believe in the moves Marianatto (sp?) is making and I think we will be able to compete at a high level. I don't want to take anything away from this conferece.

I will cay that you're right about on the field performance, but I think thanks to ESPiN, the perception is that the ACC is stronger. The network hypes them up like crazy since they have a contract with the conference. They're able to control the sports' agenda right now. I think the prestige of FSU/Miami is also greater than anything in this conference.

Also in my rankings, I was mostly looking at it in terms of teams coming/going. ACC has power over the BE in that they can get pretty much any team in the conference they want. We've already seen that.

I think I've cleared it up enough to see why I had the PAC-12 high. It's all about perception for me, not necesarily on field performance. I also think the PAC-12 is here to stay since they have the biggest TV Deal of any conference. The sky is the imit in my opinion. Look at the recent coaching hires for example, RichRod, Mike Leach, and Jim Mora Jr were all hired this off-season by PAC-12 schools. The massive TV Deals played a hge part in being able to afford these coaches. The conference also has their fair share of presitigious institutions.

(04-01-2012 02:39 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-01-2012 10:09 AM)TOGC Wrote:  

(04-01-2012 08:58 AM)justinslot Wrote:  The thread in the other forum was closed, but I still wanted to ask: does anybody really think this is going to involve any sport other than football? I mean, any decision that takes all the non-"BCS" (in quotes since who knows what they'll call it) schools out of March Madness is going to be staggeringly unpopular.

It's all speculation at this point. The Big 6 + ND, BYU, and the remaining service academies could break away for all sports, but that doesn't seem as likely. I'm guessing that they'll break away from the other football playing members to form another football division, but it will only have a marginal effect on the other sports.

Who says BYU will get the ND treatment? I don't see that happening. Army might get a pass but not the same power ND has. I don't see them breaking away

Both the Big XII and the Big East have actively courted BYU. They're too big of a prize to let go.

I think the Big East should approach Boston College about returning. There have been rumblings that they haven't been pleased with the move.

(04-01-2012 01:03 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 04:25 PM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  If not officially, there's bound to be a subdivisions naturally. Here's how I see it forming:

Tier 1: SEC - B1G - PAC12
Tier 2: Big 12 - ACC
Tier 3: Big East
Tier 4: MW - CUSA - MUSA - Whatever
Tier 5: Sun Belt WAC

No no no, to many levels.

D1-6 BCS conferences and maybe MWC-USA.
D1AA-WAC, MAC, Sun Belt, MWC-USA (if not included in D1), top current 1AA teams. (Delaware, App St, Montana, Eastern Wash etc)
D1AAA-Rest of 1AA and anyone in D2 who wants to move up.

First off, is there a simple way to quote multiple people in the same post? I've seen others do it, just haven't figured it out myself. I know double posts can get pretty annoying for people.

So, I totally agree with you. I was focusing in my original post purely on current FCS conferences. That's where the bulk of the problem lies. The article listed the difference in pay of FCS as the problem. I believe they looked at the difference between Alabama, and UAB/Troy. My version is just a more "zoomed in" version of the top 2 rows of yours, and it is also how things are NATURALLY progressing, not my prediction on how it WILL progress.

Somebody else made a post earlier that I left out basketball conferences. Admittedly, I made my list before reading the article. Never associated the problem with basketball like the author did. So my list is based purely on football conferences, which I think is how it should be imo, because football drives the bus and is what will determine the haves from the have-nots. But if you want to include the basketball only conferences, just chuck them at the bottom of my list. Once again, my list is 100% just how I see things naturally progressing. I really don't see why the NCAA needs to step an divide the conferences tbh, because the conferences are already dividing themselves.

(03-31-2012 04:25 PM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  If not officially, there's bound to be a subdivisions naturally. Here's how I see it forming:

Tier 1: SEC - B1G - PAC12
Tier 2: Big 12 - ACC
Tier 3: Big East
Tier 4: MW - CUSA - MUSA - Whatever
Tier 5: Sun Belt WAC

MAC to FCS?

(04-02-2012 10:46 AM)Inigo Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 04:25 PM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  If not officially, there's bound to be a subdivisions naturally. Here's how I see it forming:

Tier 1: SEC - B1G - PAC12
Tier 2: Big 12 - ACC
Tier 3: Big East
Tier 4: MW - CUSA - MUSA - Whatever
Tier 5: Sun Belt WAC

MAC to FCS?

If the MountUs merger falls apart, and its not looking good at this moment, will either of those two conferences be as strong as the MAC on their own?

The MAC is in as good a shape as it's always been. The majority of MAC schools have been playing each other for a long time...

Some schools may come and go. But the MAC lives on...

(04-02-2012 10:55 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(04-02-2012 10:46 AM)Inigo Wrote:  

(03-31-2012 04:25 PM)Bleedin Blue Wrote:  If not officially, there's bound to be a subdivisions naturally. Here's how I see it forming:

Tier 1: SEC - B1G - PAC12
Tier 2: Big 12 - ACC
Tier 3: Big East
Tier 4: MW - CUSA - MUSA - Whatever
Tier 5: Sun Belt WAC

MAC to FCS?

If the MountUs merger falls apart, and its not looking good at this moment, will either of those two conferences be as strong as the MAC on their own?

Oops. Left the MAC out. Don't follow that conference at all.

(04-02-2012 11:05 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The MAC is in as good a shape as it's always been. The majority of MAC schools have been playing each other for a long time...

Some schools may come and go. But the MAC lives on...

If the NCAA ever decides to follow the rule requiring 15K home attendance average, more than half the MAC would get demoted to FCS.