(02-16-2012 04:53 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 04:47 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Liberty Bowl wont be for the Big East champ. That's funny. That bowl will be for #4 or lower.

The champ will be in a BCS bowl. An Orange Bowl slot is a possibility.

The removal of AQ doesn't mean the top bowls still wont be competitively based. If Boise or Houston would have been in the BE this year, they would have been in a BCS bowl with those records.

The fear is that it could flop like this...

Rose big ten vs. PAC
Sugar sec vs big ten2
Orange sec2 vs acc
Fiesta bigxii vs PAC2

Cotton may have a space under that scenario. Or many others...Holiday, Peach, etc. Those bowls may not currently be BCS, but they are well-respected.

I do think Jerry jones and the cotton will make a strong bid. For all we know, there may end up being six BCS games each year.

If AQ are gone and the BCS only focus is #1 vs. #2 if "SOMEHOW" the BIG EAST with Notre Dame can get a tie in with the Orange Bowl, Fiesta Bowl or Cotton Bowl then as a Louisville guy I would rather stay with the BIG EAST especially if the TV $$$$ is in the ACC range-($13-$15 Million per All Sports School, somewhat possible since unlike the ACC it will be on the open market).

If done right, the plus one model will take the top 4 rated teams. The four bowls currently called bc$ bowls will take the teams ranked 5 through 12. No conference affiliation. Make the grade and play the game.

I don't put much stock in television ratings anymore -- ESPN has ruined college bowls, which have seen an OVERALL 37% drop in the ratings since they started messing with the games.

Look at the ratings of the BCS Bowls this year... the highest rating was the 3rd lowest rated BCS National Championship ever (late on a week night, ratings are down more than 18% since moving to ESPN). Second, was the Rose Bowl 5pm game on a holiday; third (and with the highest year-to-year increase) the Fiesta Bowl was late, but on a holiday this year. Fourth was the Sugar Bowl which was late on a weeknight with a close game; and last of the Orange, late on a weeknight with a WVU blowout by the second quarter.

With the schedule ESPN has built, you can't help but have the Big East and ACC teams involved with the worst rated games, they play in the worst possible time-slots.

(02-17-2012 04:01 PM)rodtheman Wrote:  If done right, the plus one model will take the top 4 rated teams. The four bowls currently called bc$ bowls will take the teams ranked 5 through 12. No conference affiliation. Make the grade and play the game.

I think there will still be conference tie ins under new deal...at least with Rose and Sugar.

(02-17-2012 04:01 PM)rodtheman Wrote:  If done right, the plus one model will take the top 4 rated teams. The four bowls currently called bc$ bowls will take the teams ranked 5 through 12. No conference affiliation. Make the grade and play the game.

That will never happen like that under the Plus One Model. They would just take 1 vs. 2 after the "Regular Bowl Games". Plus the B1G & Pac 12 will "NEVER!!!!" Give up their Rose Bowl tie-in.

(02-17-2012 02:43 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  Give Notre Dame a chance to play in the Orange or Cotton every year with 8 or 9 wins, Champs with 7 or less. Sign up the Liberty Bowl and few other decent games and the conference will be fine.

I am in favor of such an agreement with Notre Dame on condition that they play every Big East school at least twice per decade on a rotating basis. Is it asking too much that they throw their peasant cousins a bone?

(02-17-2012 03:17 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 12:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 04:47 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Liberty Bowl wont be for the Big East champ. That's funny. That bowl will be for #4 or lower.

The champ will be in a BCS bowl.

Not likely.

If the champ is ranked in the Top 10, I can't see how they'd possibly be denied. (same with every other Big 6 league)

If a Big East champ were really highly-ranked, like Cincy in 2009, then yes, the Big East champ would be invited to a BCS bowl. But that would only be on a one time ad-hoc basis, no BCS bowl would want a permanent tie-in with the Big East.

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(02-17-2012 04:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 03:17 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 12:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 04:47 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Liberty Bowl wont be for the Big East champ. That's funny. That bowl will be for #4 or lower.

The champ will be in a BCS bowl.

Not likely.

If the champ is ranked in the Top 10, I can't see how they'd possibly be denied. (same with every other Big 6 league)

If a Big East champ were really highly-ranked, like Cincy in 2009, then yes, the Big East champ would be invited to a BCS bowl. But that would only be on a one time ad-hoc basis, no BCS bowl would want a permanent tie-in with the Big East.

IF AQ is gone then their will be only 1 BCS Bowl game and that would be the BCS title game. The Cotton Bowl, Capitol One Bowl & Outbback Bowl would pretty much be look at as the same as the Orange Bowl & Fiesta Bowl.

Bowl would be about payouts and nothing else outside of the BCS Title game. That why bowl lineup would be all important.

(02-17-2012 04:24 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 02:43 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  Give Notre Dame a chance to play in the Orange or Cotton every year with 8 or 9 wins, Champs with 7 or less. Sign up the Liberty Bowl and few other decent games and the conference will be fine.

I am in favor of such an agreement with Notre Dame on condition that they play every Big East school at least twice per decade on a rotating basis. Is it asking too much that they throw their peasant cousins a bone?

Yes it is "too much to ask Notre Dame" to do. That question shows you are the new guys on the block...lol

(02-17-2012 04:47 PM)Maize Wrote:  T

(02-17-2012 04:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 03:17 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 12:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 04:47 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Liberty Bowl wont be for the Big East champ. That's funny. That bowl will be for #4 or lower.

The champ will be in a BCS bowl.

Not likely.

If the champ is ranked in the Top 10, I can't see how they'd possibly be denied. (same with every other Big 6 league)

If a Big East champ were really highly-ranked, like Cincy in 2009, then yes, the Big East champ would be invited to a BCS bowl. But that would only be on a one time ad-hoc basis, no BCS bowl would want a permanent tie-in with the Big East.

IF AQ is gone then their will be only 1 BCS Bowl game and that would be the BCS title game. The Cotton Bowl, Capitol One Bowl & Outbback Bowl would pretty much be look at as the same as the Orange Bowl & Fiesta Bowl.

Bowl would be about payouts and nothing else outside of the BCS Title game. That why bowl lineup would be all important.

I disagree. No reason to think Sugar, Orange, Fiesta, and Rose would lose their status.

And you are "wrong" as usual Steve, much like "2004 in the BCS is going to strip the BIG EAST of AQ Status"....or the "SEC is not going to take Texas A&M & Missouri" etc, etc.

What are "Bowl Games" outside of the BCS Title Game if the BCS is doing away with AQ, nothing but "exhibition games" and would be looking out for their best interest and gaining Conference Tie-Ins as before 1990 and the Bowl Coalition. Word is bowls like the Cotton Bowl, Capitol One Bowl, Outback Bowl etc, etc will be allowed to bid on the BCS Title Game. The Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, Sugar Bowl & Fiesta Bowl would lose the "AQ Status" and it will go back to conferemce tie ins and all the Rose Bowl would want is it Pac 12/B1G tie-in, the Sugar Bowl with the SEC and look for the Cotton Bowl & Fiesta Bowl to bid for the Big XII Champion-(whomever comes up with the highest payout will win that clash).

If that case my $$$ is on the Cotton Bowl under Jerry Jones. I expect in the future you will see the BCS Title Game in places like Orlando, Florida, Tampa, Florida and of course the "Death Star" in Texas as well as in Arizona-(Fiesta Bowl), Pasadena-(Rose Bowl), New Orleans-(Sugar Bowl) and Miami-(Orange Bowl).

If AQ goes away you will probably see the plus one happen which means the bowl games will become even more irrelevant. The push should be for the plus one to be only if you are a conference champion
You can probably get ACC and Pac12 support that because they know that if they don't the SEC and BigTen will be the two that would get those second spots leaving them out.

(02-17-2012 07:15 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  If AQ goes away you will probably see the plus one happen which means the bowl games will become even more irrelevant. The push should be for the plus one to be only if you are a conference champion
You can probably get ACC and Pac12 support that because they know that if they don't the SEC and BigTen will be the two that would get those second spots leaving them out.

This is spot on....ACC/Pac12/B12 would all push for conference champ plus 1 scenario otherwise it's SEC vs B1G every year

(02-17-2012 07:15 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  If AQ goes away you will probably see the plus one happen which means the bowl games will become even more irrelevant. The push should be for the plus one to be only if you are a conference champion
You can probably get ACC and Pac12 support that because they know that if they don't the SEC and BigTen will be the two that would get those second spots leaving them out.

Bingo...plus it would not be lineup as a 1 vs. 4 and a 2 vs. 3. After the Bowl games it will take the winners that end up #1 vs #2 for the BCS Title Game.

You could see a situation in which the SEC Champion ranked #1 is playing in the Sugar Bowl vs. an @ Large ranked around 8th-(from the Big XII) and in another bowl the #2 team-(Pac 12 Champion) in the Rose Bowl playing the B1G Champion-(ranked around 10th). If 1 vs. 2 win their bowl games they are playing. If one of them loses and let's say the ACC Champion-(ranked 3rd) is playing the BIG EAST Champ/Notre Dame and they win they go to the BCS Title Game.

That is the Plus One model I see happening.

(02-17-2012 07:52 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2012 07:15 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  If AQ goes away you will probably see the plus one happen which means the bowl games will become even more irrelevant. The push should be for the plus one to be only if you are a conference champion
You can probably get ACC and Pac12 support that because they know that if they don't the SEC and BigTen will be the two that would get those second spots leaving them out.

This is spot on....ACC/Pac12/B12 would all push for conference champ plus 1 scenario otherwise it's SEC vs B1G every year

My only disagreement is that it would add the Big XII as well.


One of two things are going to happen...either AQ's are going away or AQ's are staying and you will see the Cotton Bowl going into the BCS rotation. Also with the Mount Us merger and pretty much the death of the WAC you are now down to 9 Division 1 FBS Conferences, 10 @ the most. You could see the 6 AQ stay and just the elimination of the 2 per conference rule as well. All of the BCS Busters are pretty much in current AQ leagues now with TCU-(Big XII), Boise State-(BIG EAST) & Utah-(Pac 12).

(02-17-2012 06:19 PM)Maize Wrote:  What are "Bowl Games" outside of the BCS Title Game if the BCS is doing away with AQ, nothing but "exhibition games" and would be looking out for their best interest and gaining Conference Tie-Ins as before 1990 and the Bowl Coalition. Word is bowls like the Cotton Bowl, Capitol One Bowl, Outback Bowl etc, etc will be allowed to bid on the BCS Title Game. The Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, Sugar Bowl & Fiesta Bowl would lose the "AQ Status" and it will go back to conferemce tie ins ....

We already have a BCS title game and yet the major bowls remain the major bowls. Their status as major obviously does not depend on the existence of AQ because they were major long before AQ existed. If AQ goes away, those bowls would just sign on to take the champs of their traditional partners (Rose with PAC and B1G, sugar with SEC, etc.).

Only the Big East would be out.

Maybe, maybe not. Those Bowls will be scrambling and will work with the Networks. & sponsors to secure the highest available $$$$ to lure those leagues.

The Capitol One Bowl & Cotton Bowl are going to be major players and don't asume the so-called BCS Bowls outside of the Sugar Bowl & Rose Bowl will be able tp hold on to their current conference tie-ins.

I can easily see the Cotton Bowl gaining the Big XII Champion, if anyone can do it is Jerry Jones especially since he has the finest Football Facilities in the world. Plus we don't know which networks will get the Bowl games including the BCS Title Game.

You will see Fox/Turner/ESPN-ABC/NBC all bidding on it and you can very well see the bowls back on separate networks. In athletics nothing stays the same BUT outside the the games involving schools with the Number 1 & Number 2 schools the other games are just "Exhibition Games" and they become meaningless....only the payout would matter.

A world without AQ could look like this:

Rose Bowl: B1G Champ vs. Pac 12 Champ
Sugar Bowl: SEC Champ
Cotton Bowl: Big XII Champ
Fiesta Bowl: Pac 12 #2
Orange Bowl: ACC Champ

The BIG EAST would need ND help in begging to get a tie-in with either the Fiesta Bowl/Orange Bowl or Fiesta Bowl....juz say'n.

Also for something to look out for is the ND AD becoming the new Big XII Commish. If he takes that job and they let him do his thing the Big XII long term future is secure.

(02-17-2012 08:44 PM)Maize Wrote:  look out for is the ND AD becoming the new Big XII Commish. If he takes that job and they let him do his thing the Big XII long term future is secure.

The Big 12 will always be ruled by the whims of DeLoss Dodds. That will never change.

Dodds is the destroyer of conferences. He buried the SWC and is well on his way to destroying the Big 12-2-1-1+1+1. That league would still be at 12 if it didn't adhere to the unequal revenue sharing that benefitted Texas (to go along with their dalliance's with the B1G and the Pac 12). And it still lives to benefit Texas the most with their LHN contract.

Everyone else is a pawn, until Texas changes the game and welcomes in new players. Never forget that.