SCConway Wrote:Interesting.

Doesn't make me feel better as a Memphis fan that we may be included in the future though. :frown:

Why not? Notice that USF is at the bottom of the DISMISS list and look at em now.

L-yes Wrote:Uh, it said UC was up for consideration EXACTLY like Temple. Now I'm not saying Louisville was the sole reason UC made the cut but to suggest that this is definitive evidence that Louisville's unanimous inclusion had nothing to do with UC's later inclusion is a reach at best. If you don't think UC's relationship with Louisville or its proximity to Louisville were positives in its candidacy as the process moved forward than you are simply kidding yourself out of senseless pride.

My point is that I've read over and over that UC wasn't considered until UL was in and was then pushing for UC. Obviously that was not true after reading this paperwork, was it? UC had its foot in the door before UL ever had a chance to go to bat for it, and I believe that is due to Bob Goin, UC AD. He knows how this works and he worked his magic all over again, just like he did and Florida State.

mlbUC Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:Uh, it said UC was up for consideration EXACTLY like Temple.  Now I'm not saying Louisville was the sole reason UC made the cut but to suggest that this is definitive evidence that Louisville's unanimous inclusion had nothing to do with UC's later inclusion is a reach at best.  If you don't think UC's relationship with Louisville or its proximity to Louisville were positives in its candidacy as the process moved forward than you are simply kidding yourself out of senseless pride.

My point is that I've read over and over that UC wasn't considered until UL was in and was then pushing for UC. Obviously that was not true after reading this paperwork, was it? UC had its foot in the door before UL ever had a chance to go to bat for it, and I believe that is due to Bob Goin, UC AD. He knows how this works and he worked his magic all over again, just like he did and Florida State.

Huh? Of course UC was going to be considered. Where were you hearing UC wasn't going to be considered?

The UL rivals board right after UC and UL were both announced in. Maybe I'm posting this in the wrong forum, I just thought it was funny how this contradicts the crap that spewed from that forum after both teams were officially let into the league.

Jackson1011 Wrote:....note that West Virginia tried to get Marshall in which shocks me

<a href='http://mysite.verizon.net/fethrs/Minutes%20July%202003.pdf' target='_blank'>http://mysite.verizon.net/fethrs/Minutes%2...July%202003.pdf</a>


Jackson

Why does that shock you?

Quote:Why does that shock you?

-- I didn't think WVU/Marshall had a very good working relationship...I guess one shouldn't believe all he reads in papers from the Kanawah Valley


Jackson

Quote:When you consider the fact that it was a 6-0 vote to split when we were in serious doubt with the BCS and more dependent on the basketball schools than ever, it makes it pretty obvious that this affiliation won't last much longer. Am I a big football politics geek for getting all excited about these papers?

This would be extremely interesting to me even if it didn't pertain to a situation that has had and will have a huge effect on Memphis' athletic department.

I do think a lot has changed since then, and if the BE head honchos seriously consider Temple for all-sports membership the next time around I'm going up there and strangling all who support them. They belong in I-AA. I won't even make that strong a statement about USF, a school I still seethe over because they got in, but Temple has proven time and time again that they do not belong at the I-A level, on the field or at the gate. They had their chance and were in a BCS conference and still couldn't succeed. They need to join the A-10 in all-sports and get over it.

Of course, they may have just been under consideration at the time because they were still football-only members at that point (had the decision to boot them been made by July?).

Jackson1011 Wrote:

Quote:Why does that shock you?

-- I didn't think WVU/Marshall had a very good working relationship...I guess one shouldn't believe all he reads in papers from the Kanawah Valley


Jackson

Have you been reading what Gov. Manchin has been saying? He's pushing hard for an MU vs WVU home and home series. He's also said that he want's Marshall in a BCS conference. Sounds like he's looking out for the entire state and has been inspired by the activities of the UVA and VPI helping hand. I guess we'll see how this all plays out.

No worries to all ECU and Memphis fans. If you guys keep building your FB team and BB team, it will be matter of time before the BE invite you. You guys need to look at UL as a model and do what they have done so far.

Wow...Lee Roy Selmon must have done a great job convincing the Big East to take USF. THANK YOU LRS
I still think 10 is a possibility...many conferences only mentioned recently they might go to 9 conference games. How many of the conferences follow this plan will be a big factor on whether the all-sports conference will be 9 or 10.
The list of candidates given (both accepted and rejected) i believe are the only candidates in consideration.

SF Husky Wrote:No worries to all ECU and Memphis fans. If you guys keep building your FB team and BB team, it will be matter of time before the BE invite you. You guys need to look at UL as a model and do what they have done so far.

I agree. Whatever was relevant in July 2003 is no longer relevant as of Feb 22nd, 2005.

Since the time of this "meeting", we've appeared in two bowl games, have led Conference USA in football attendance ( averaging over 40k a game ) and have marched our way to the second round of the NCAA tournament.

All of this will factor into their next board meeting, when expansion candidates are discussed once again. At least, that's what I'm hoping. :)

greekwolf Wrote:

SF Husky Wrote:No worries to all ECU and Memphis fans.&nbsp; If you guys keep building your FB team and BB team, it will be matter of time before the BE invite you.&nbsp; You guys need to look at UL as a model and do what they have done so far.

I agree. Whatever was relevant in July 2003 is no longer relevant as of Feb 22nd, 2005.

Since the time of this "meeting", we've appeared in two bowl games, have led Conference USA in football attendance ( averaging over 40k a game ) and have marched our way to the second round of the NCAA tournament.

All of this will factor into their next board meeting, when expansion candidates are discussed once again. At least, that's what I'm hoping. :)

I think the committee is probably not too concerned with making/not making the NCAA in any given year. It's a little more longterm than that. I'm sure the bodies at football games help much more than the NCAA.

I removed parts of the link and got back to the original site. A Boston College site? This material looks like part of a legal brief and mentions Syracuse BC judgement. I'm not expert but they look authentic and could have well been posted in an attempt to influence public opinion for some reason.
CJ
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Quote:Have you been reading what Gov. Manchin has been saying? He's pushing hard for an MU vs WVU home and home series. He's also said that he want's Marshall in a BCS conference. Sounds like he's looking out for the entire state and has been inspired by the activities of the UVA and VPI helping hand. I guess we'll see how this all plays out.

-- These meetings took place in 2003...before Manchin took office..

Quote: removed parts of the link and got back to the original site. A Boston College site?

-- Thanks for posting the new link Cardinal Jim....just glanced through the notes from the Oct 1 meeting....it seems by this point the 16 team league has already been decieded upon....also noted that NDs 3 BE games a year and with 1 being at the meadow lands was mentioned so that deal has been coming for a long time...the papers also suggest that ND is in full control of which BE teams to schedule

-- :mad: As a BE football fan...one can't help but get angery when reading though these documents...perhspas some day we will be in a league were football comes first


Jackson

The Hardesty support of Marshall was token, to stop what happened with Virginia and Virginia Tech. I can't remember where I heard that, but that is what happened.

L-yes Wrote:Uh, it said UC was up for consideration EXACTLY like Temple.  Now I'm not saying Louisville was the sole reason UC made the cut but to suggest that this is definitive evidence that Louisville's unanimous inclusion had nothing to do with UC's later inclusion is a reach at best.  If you don't think UC's relationship with Louisville or its proximity to Louisville were positives in its candidacy as the process moved forward than you are simply kidding yourself out of senseless pride.

I know I keep saying I don't have inside information, but I know a few things. I know for a fact that Louisville had NOTHING to do with getting UC into the Big East and UC's proximity to Louisville didn't come into play until AFTER Bob Goin contacted West Virginia and the Big East saw it as a positive LATER in the expansion process (around September). UC was never considered for Big East expansion until Bob Goin and Joseph Steger (later Nancy Zimpher), actively contacted Big East ADs and Presidents. UC and Louisville being a built in rivalry was a bonus. Bob Goin had to sell UC into getting into the Big East big time. The only active supporters for UC getting into the Big East were West Virginia, Connecticut, Syracuse and Boston College. It has nothing to do with pride, it's just a fact. Louisville had nothing to do with UC getting in, the four schools mentioned were the reason UC is in the Big East along with Mike Tranghese. I know Louisville fans refuse to believe this, but UC had to sell themselves into the Big East, just like Louisville, and Louisville's proximity was never a major factor. What got UC into the Big East were 5 things:

1.)Solid basketball

2.)upgraded facilities

3.)A huge T.V. Market

4.)Strong academics, UC's academics were far better then Louisville's and South Florida and that was a HUGE, HUGE deciding factor, probably THE deciding factor in convincing the Presidents of the Big East to add UC.

5.)A solid football program.

Other deciding factors were the Ohio factor, close proximity to not just Louisville, but West Virginia and Pitt, and Bob Goin's working relationship with a number of Big East programs. The proximity to Louisville wasn't anymore important then UC's proximity to Pitt and West Virginia. Louisville had very, very, very little to do with UC's inclusion in the Big East. They had as much to do with UC getting into the Big East as Pitt did. And that isn't an indictment of Louisville, it's just a case that Louisville didn't have nearly the pull that people thought they did.

Cat's Claw,
Your explanation of events is what I remember. I recall Jurich publicly stating that Louisville was looking out for Louisville first to paraphrase what Tom said. The exact quote was something to the effect " every expansion school would have to stand on its own merit". If what Tom says is true than Louisville had nothing to do with UC being invited and accepted into the Big East.
I will say I believe Louisville was in a better position to take advantage of the ACC raiding the Big East because of Tom Jurich. Tom recognized that if the Louisville program was going to contiue to grow he had to address certain key issues. Gender equity, facilities and compliance were three areas Tom targeted. I believe UC was well along this path as well with Goins leadership. I also believe that this is where the Cardinal and Bearcat program seperated themselves from the Memphis program. I am not that familiar with the Tiger situation but from what I have read, RC Johnson is just starting Memphis down that path. Memphis fans is that correct? I would think improvements being made at Memphis presently are a concentrated effort to be ready for the Big East split.
CJ

Jackson1011 Wrote:

Quote:Have you been reading what Gov. Manchin has been saying? He's pushing hard for an MU vs WVU home and home series. He's also said that he want's Marshall in a BCS conference. Sounds like he's looking out for the entire state and has been inspired by the activities of the UVA and VPI helping hand. I guess we'll see how this all plays out.

-- These meetings took place in 2003...before Manchin took office..

I realize that, I'm talking about NOW and how things are changing in our state.

This just means that Memphis needs to continue to build itself so it can hop over from the "Dismiss" side of the paper.

I would think improvements being made at Memphis presently are a concentrated effort to be ready for the Big East split.
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Is there any concerted effort to help Memphis by playing them. I know the OCUSA members (UL, UC and Cinci) are supposed to play them a set number of years in Football. I think some of the BE teams should schedule Memphis in some home and homes in FB and BB. If that happens that would send a huge signal that Memphis is next.