Why not add Santa Fe, Cozumel, San Pedro and Mexico City, make it the Big East West and Mexico Conference, I am sure that Marinara would love to feast on some tamales up in Providence.

In BYU's defense, they have put a lot of effort to come up with a fairly viable independent TV model. The BE makes sense if they can find some sort of "have your cake and eat it too" middle ground between independence (TV needs) and conference affiliation (i.e. BCS access), but if not, they can bide their time as an independent until the next go round of expansion.

(11-22-2011 09:52 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  In BYU's defense, they have put a lot of effort to come up with a fairly viable independent TV model. The BE makes sense if they can find some sort of "have your cake and eat it too" middle ground between independence (TV needs) and conference affiliation (i.e. BCS access), but if not, they can bide their time as an independent until the next go round of expansion.

I'm not sure the future is bright for BYU in future conference expansion. Pac-12 is their preferred choice. However Pac-12 would most likely choose Big 12 schools over BYU and from reports Big 12 doesn't want another Texas in BYU.

According to Google maps, the trip from Boise, ID to San Diego, CA is 15:59, which means that it is 11 minutes shorter than the trip from Storrs, CT to Savannah, GA. That's a travel partner?

At this point the Big East would be FAR better off turning its gaze towards East Carolina, which is a mere 11:37 ride from Storrs, regularly fills up its home stadium and travels to bowl games.

I simply do not believe that Boise State will walk away from this deal over SDSU not being included in it. I especially don't believe that to be true if Air Force is on board (AFA, BTW, is a scant 14 hours from Boise).

The distances involved with all these western schools are simply outrageous.

(11-22-2011 09:52 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  In BYU's defense, they have put a lot of effort to come up with a fairly viable independent TV model. The BE makes sense if they can find some sort of "have your cake and eat it too" middle ground between independence (TV needs) and conference affiliation (i.e. BCS access), but if not, they can bide their time as an independent until the next go round of expansion.

Agreed. BYU put a lot of effort into their indy experiment, got a pretty good TV deal out of it, and got a conference for their other sports that fits in with how the LDS church wants to position the church and the university. They may be thinking that they don't want to pull the plug on football independence so soon unless they get a deal that's too sweet to pass up.

(11-22-2011 02:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 09:52 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  In BYU's defense, they have put a lot of effort to come up with a fairly viable independent TV model. The BE makes sense if they can find some sort of "have your cake and eat it too" middle ground between independence (TV needs) and conference affiliation (i.e. BCS access), but if not, they can bide their time as an independent until the next go round of expansion.

Agreed. BYU put a lot of effort into their indy experiment, got a pretty good TV deal out of it, and got a conference for their other sports that fits in with how the LDS church wants to position the church and the university. They may be thinking that they don't want to pull the plug on football independence so soon unless they get a deal that's too sweet to pass up.

The Big East Boards are saying that the two sides actually walked away from the deal, but that they have returned to the table. The articles supposedly were leaked. Seems it was a way to let BYU know they dont have unlimited leverage and the BE is willing move on with out them. That certainly seems plausible.

(11-22-2011 01:06 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  According to Google maps, the trip from Boise, ID to San Diego, CA is 15:59, which means that it is 11 minutes shorter than the trip from Storrs, CT to Savannah, GA. That's a travel partner?

At this point the Big East would be FAR better off turning its gaze towards East Carolina, which is a mere 11:37 ride from Storrs, regularly fills up its home stadium and travels to bowl games.

I simply do not believe that Boise State will walk away from this deal over SDSU not being included in it. I especially don't believe that to be true if Air Force is on board (AFA, BTW, is a scant 14 hours from Boise).

ECU to UConn via air is like an hour and a half plane ride... Ive gone from PGV to Hartford in that time.. piece of cake... try UConn to SDSU... prob 3-4 connections

P.S.- need an updated picture of the new Dowdy Ficklen

(11-22-2011 04:03 AM)ivet Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:34 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  the fact of the matter, what is the big east conference valuated at? No intangible assets (brand), no physical asset (aq bid), there is no value in the conference as a whole,except for bball. Yep I'm I homer, but anyone who can argue those two main arguments against me succesfully, has my vote.

whats your beef with the BE? people have proven you wrong time and time again but you are still defiant, its not even funny reading these posts and your comments anymore. Are you mad that your school is not being mentioned as a BE candidate? Did you apply to some BE schools and got rejected? Either way, time to move on with your obsession with how "crappy" the BE is.

here are your answers
intangible assets? the BE has survived the storm since its inception in the late 70's even after school defections and certain institutions (ESPN, ACC,NCAA) tried numerous times to bring it down. We are now in the middle of another fallout but the BE keeps getting up and refuses to be knocked down. ESPN butthurt because the BE denied their lowball offer? oh well, their not the only show in town.

physical asset- HUGE MARKET, HUGE ALUMNI BASE and this will only get bigger once the announcement comes out. BE still has the AQ and probably will after 2013 with the new additions. Better yet whats the other conference done the past 5-6 years? Hell, the past 5-6 years we could have had 2 SEC teams fight it out for the national championship game, including this year. Screw the AQ, SEC dominates football and that trend is not changing anytime soon, even after 2013. The top tier of the SEC just takes turn being champions each year, everyone gets a title. So after the AQ gets redone, nobody except the SEC should have an AQ bid.

I wouldn't call what you consider an intangible asset a money maker. Your physical asset of "huge market", nobody even pays attention to Houston, UCF and SMU in their own market, what makes you think they'll pay attention to them in other markets. If these huge markets were such money makers, why didn't it show up in their TV contracts.

You guys can throw out those bs numbers all you want, but it ain't happening. I know I wouldn't pay almost the same amount of money to advertise my company during a big east game(with its expected line up) as a Pac 14 game (with its current line up).

(11-22-2011 05:33 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:03 AM)ivet Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:34 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  the fact of the matter, what is the big east conference valuated at? No intangible assets (brand), no physical asset (aq bid), there is no value in the conference as a whole,except for bball. Yep I'm I homer, but anyone who can argue those two main arguments against me succesfully, has my vote.

whats your beef with the BE? people have proven you wrong time and time again but you are still defiant, its not even funny reading these posts and your comments anymore. Are you mad that your school is not being mentioned as a BE candidate? Did you apply to some BE schools and got rejected? Either way, time to move on with your obsession with how "crappy" the BE is.

here are your answers
intangible assets? the BE has survived the storm since its inception in the late 70's even after school defections and certain institutions (ESPN, ACC,NCAA) tried numerous times to bring it down. We are now in the middle of another fallout but the BE keeps getting up and refuses to be knocked down. ESPN butthurt because the BE denied their lowball offer? oh well, their not the only show in town.

physical asset- HUGE MARKET, HUGE ALUMNI BASE and this will only get bigger once the announcement comes out. BE still has the AQ and probably will after 2013 with the new additions. Better yet whats the other conference done the past 5-6 years? Hell, the past 5-6 years we could have had 2 SEC teams fight it out for the national championship game, including this year. Screw the AQ, SEC dominates football and that trend is not changing anytime soon, even after 2013. The top tier of the SEC just takes turn being champions each year, everyone gets a title. So after the AQ gets redone, nobody except the SEC should have an AQ bid.

I wouldn't call what you consider an intangible asset a money maker. Your physical asset of "huge market", nobody even pays attention to Houston, UCF and SMU in their own market, what makes you think they'll pay attention to them in other markets. If these huge markets were such money makers, why didn't it show up in their TV contracts.

You guys can throw out those bs numbers all you want, but it ain't happening. I know I wouldn't pay almost the same amount of money to advertise my company during a big east game(with its expected line up) as a Pac 14 game (with its current line up).

Do you have proof that nobody pays any attention to Houston, UCF, and SMU, or is this another of your pulled from the colan "facts". Talking to you is like talking to McFly. Obviously nobody watches Houston, thats why ESPN Gameday would never go to a place like that....oh, wait....

(11-22-2011 06:00 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 05:33 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:03 AM)ivet Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:34 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  the fact of the matter, what is the big east conference valuated at? No intangible assets (brand), no physical asset (aq bid), there is no value in the conference as a whole,except for bball. Yep I'm I homer, but anyone who can argue those two main arguments against me succesfully, has my vote.

whats your beef with the BE? people have proven you wrong time and time again but you are still defiant, its not even funny reading these posts and your comments anymore. Are you mad that your school is not being mentioned as a BE candidate? Did you apply to some BE schools and got rejected? Either way, time to move on with your obsession with how "crappy" the BE is.

here are your answers
intangible assets? the BE has survived the storm since its inception in the late 70's even after school defections and certain institutions (ESPN, ACC,NCAA) tried numerous times to bring it down. We are now in the middle of another fallout but the BE keeps getting up and refuses to be knocked down. ESPN butthurt because the BE denied their lowball offer? oh well, their not the only show in town.

physical asset- HUGE MARKET, HUGE ALUMNI BASE and this will only get bigger once the announcement comes out. BE still has the AQ and probably will after 2013 with the new additions. Better yet whats the other conference done the past 5-6 years? Hell, the past 5-6 years we could have had 2 SEC teams fight it out for the national championship game, including this year. Screw the AQ, SEC dominates football and that trend is not changing anytime soon, even after 2013. The top tier of the SEC just takes turn being champions each year, everyone gets a title. So after the AQ gets redone, nobody except the SEC should have an AQ bid.

I wouldn't call what you consider an intangible asset a money maker. Your physical asset of "huge market", nobody even pays attention to Houston, UCF and SMU in their own market, what makes you think they'll pay attention to them in other markets. If these huge markets were such money makers, why didn't it show up in their TV contracts.

You guys can throw out those bs numbers all you want, but it ain't happening. I know I wouldn't pay almost the same amount of money to advertise my company during a big east game(with its expected line up) as a Pac 14 game (with its current line up).

Do you have proof that nobody pays any attention to Houston, UCF, and SMU, or is this another of your pulled from the colan "facts". Talking to you is like talking to McFly. Obviously nobody watches Houston, thats why ESPN Gameday would never go to a place like that....oh, wait....

You know UH has no pull in Houston, it is all UT and A&M. I was up there in Houston 2 years ago, the weekend UTEP and Houston played after UH upset tech and OSU. I went to a little sports bar and asked the bartender if he could find the UH/UTEP game, he didn't even know UH was playing, and only 2 people knew that UH had been doing good so far that season. Granted that was 2 years ago, maybe times have changed.

(11-22-2011 06:32 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 06:00 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 05:33 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:03 AM)ivet Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:34 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  the fact of the matter, what is the big east conference valuated at? No intangible assets (brand), no physical asset (aq bid), there is no value in the conference as a whole,except for bball. Yep I'm I homer, but anyone who can argue those two main arguments against me succesfully, has my vote.

whats your beef with the BE? people have proven you wrong time and time again but you are still defiant, its not even funny reading these posts and your comments anymore. Are you mad that your school is not being mentioned as a BE candidate? Did you apply to some BE schools and got rejected? Either way, time to move on with your obsession with how "crappy" the BE is.

here are your answers
intangible assets? the BE has survived the storm since its inception in the late 70's even after school defections and certain institutions (ESPN, ACC,NCAA) tried numerous times to bring it down. We are now in the middle of another fallout but the BE keeps getting up and refuses to be knocked down. ESPN butthurt because the BE denied their lowball offer? oh well, their not the only show in town.

physical asset- HUGE MARKET, HUGE ALUMNI BASE and this will only get bigger once the announcement comes out. BE still has the AQ and probably will after 2013 with the new additions. Better yet whats the other conference done the past 5-6 years? Hell, the past 5-6 years we could have had 2 SEC teams fight it out for the national championship game, including this year. Screw the AQ, SEC dominates football and that trend is not changing anytime soon, even after 2013. The top tier of the SEC just takes turn being champions each year, everyone gets a title. So after the AQ gets redone, nobody except the SEC should have an AQ bid.

I wouldn't call what you consider an intangible asset a money maker. Your physical asset of "huge market", nobody even pays attention to Houston, UCF and SMU in their own market, what makes you think they'll pay attention to them in other markets. If these huge markets were such money makers, why didn't it show up in their TV contracts.

You guys can throw out those bs numbers all you want, but it ain't happening. I know I wouldn't pay almost the same amount of money to advertise my company during a big east game(with its expected line up) as a Pac 14 game (with its current line up).

Do you have proof that nobody pays any attention to Houston, UCF, and SMU, or is this another of your pulled from the colan "facts". Talking to you is like talking to McFly. Obviously nobody watches Houston, thats why ESPN Gameday would never go to a place like that....oh, wait....

You know UH has no pull in Houston, it is all UT and A&M. I was up there in Houston 2 years ago, the weekend UTEP and Houston played after UH upset tech and OSU. I went to a little sports bar and asked the bartender if he could find the UH/UTEP game, he didn't even know UH was playing, and only 2 people knew that UH had been doing good so far that season. Granted that was 2 years ago, maybe times have changed.

So your "facts" were based on a conversation with a guy in a bar. I think I'll just stop there.

PS-That Tech-Houston game was one of the highest rated college games in Houston for the year. It drew nearly double the average Big-12 game in Houston....and neither Texas or A&M was playing in it.

(11-22-2011 06:51 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 06:32 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 06:00 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 05:33 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:03 AM)ivet Wrote:  whats your beef with the BE? people have proven you wrong time and time again but you are still defiant, its not even funny reading these posts and your comments anymore. Are you mad that your school is not being mentioned as a BE candidate? Did you apply to some BE schools and got rejected? Either way, time to move on with your obsession with how "crappy" the BE is.

here are your answers
intangible assets? the BE has survived the storm since its inception in the late 70's even after school defections and certain institutions (ESPN, ACC,NCAA) tried numerous times to bring it down. We are now in the middle of another fallout but the BE keeps getting up and refuses to be knocked down. ESPN butthurt because the BE denied their lowball offer? oh well, their not the only show in town.

physical asset- HUGE MARKET, HUGE ALUMNI BASE and this will only get bigger once the announcement comes out. BE still has the AQ and probably will after 2013 with the new additions. Better yet whats the other conference done the past 5-6 years? Hell, the past 5-6 years we could have had 2 SEC teams fight it out for the national championship game, including this year. Screw the AQ, SEC dominates football and that trend is not changing anytime soon, even after 2013. The top tier of the SEC just takes turn being champions each year, everyone gets a title. So after the AQ gets redone, nobody except the SEC should have an AQ bid.

I wouldn't call what you consider an intangible asset a money maker. Your physical asset of "huge market", nobody even pays attention to Houston, UCF and SMU in their own market, what makes you think they'll pay attention to them in other markets. If these huge markets were such money makers, why didn't it show up in their TV contracts.

You guys can throw out those bs numbers all you want, but it ain't happening. I know I wouldn't pay almost the same amount of money to advertise my company during a big east game(with its expected line up) as a Pac 14 game (with its current line up).

Do you have proof that nobody pays any attention to Houston, UCF, and SMU, or is this another of your pulled from the colan "facts". Talking to you is like talking to McFly. Obviously nobody watches Houston, thats why ESPN Gameday would never go to a place like that....oh, wait....

You know UH has no pull in Houston, it is all UT and A&M. I was up there in Houston 2 years ago, the weekend UTEP and Houston played after UH upset tech and OSU. I went to a little sports bar and asked the bartender if he could find the UH/UTEP game, he didn't even know UH was playing, and only 2 people knew that UH had been doing good so far that season. Granted that was 2 years ago, maybe times have changed.

So your "facts" were based on a conversation with a guy in a bar. I think I'll just stop there.

nope, just personal experience

(11-22-2011 06:51 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  So your "facts" were based on a conversation with a guy in a bar. I think I'll just stop there.

the BE could move on and tell BYU if we go to 14 we'll keep discussion open. when will this end?

(11-22-2011 06:32 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 06:00 PM)attackfrog Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 05:33 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:03 AM)ivet Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 03:34 AM)randaddyminer Wrote:  the fact of the matter, what is the big east conference valuated at? No intangible assets (brand), no physical asset (aq bid), there is no value in the conference as a whole,except for bball. Yep I'm I homer, but anyone who can argue those two main arguments against me succesfully, has my vote.

whats your beef with the BE? people have proven you wrong time and time again but you are still defiant, its not even funny reading these posts and your comments anymore. Are you mad that your school is not being mentioned as a BE candidate? Did you apply to some BE schools and got rejected? Either way, time to move on with your obsession with how "crappy" the BE is.

here are your answers
intangible assets? the BE has survived the storm since its inception in the late 70's even after school defections and certain institutions (ESPN, ACC,NCAA) tried numerous times to bring it down. We are now in the middle of another fallout but the BE keeps getting up and refuses to be knocked down. ESPN butthurt because the BE denied their lowball offer? oh well, their not the only show in town.

physical asset- HUGE MARKET, HUGE ALUMNI BASE and this will only get bigger once the announcement comes out. BE still has the AQ and probably will after 2013 with the new additions. Better yet whats the other conference done the past 5-6 years? Hell, the past 5-6 years we could have had 2 SEC teams fight it out for the national championship game, including this year. Screw the AQ, SEC dominates football and that trend is not changing anytime soon, even after 2013. The top tier of the SEC just takes turn being champions each year, everyone gets a title. So after the AQ gets redone, nobody except the SEC should have an AQ bid.

I wouldn't call what you consider an intangible asset a money maker. Your physical asset of "huge market", nobody even pays attention to Houston, UCF and SMU in their own market, what makes you think they'll pay attention to them in other markets. If these huge markets were such money makers, why didn't it show up in their TV contracts.

You guys can throw out those bs numbers all you want, but it ain't happening. I know I wouldn't pay almost the same amount of money to advertise my company during a big east game(with its expected line up) as a Pac 14 game (with its current line up).

Do you have proof that nobody pays any attention to Houston, UCF, and SMU, or is this another of your pulled from the colan "facts". Talking to you is like talking to McFly. Obviously nobody watches Houston, thats why ESPN Gameday would never go to a place like that....oh, wait....

You know UH has no pull in Houston, it is all UT and A&M. I was up there in Houston 2 years ago, the weekend UTEP and Houston played after UH upset tech and OSU. I went to a little sports bar and asked the bartender if he could find the UH/UTEP game, he didn't even know UH was playing, and only 2 people knew that UH had been doing good so far that season. Granted that was 2 years ago, maybe times have changed.

Yep. That's proof right there.

Look, this is a media-driven expansion. The list of invitees are hand picked with this criteria in mind. If UH didn't move the needle they wouldn't be included.