(11-20-2011 01:37 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 01:35 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 01:25 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 01:22 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 01:13 PM)Comet Wrote:  You're comparing a 4 year rebuilding program (SMU), to a program that's been on this course for 12-13 years now (TCU). Similar institution with similar advantages and disadvantages, only difference is they have been fixing their program much longer than us. If we still are in the shape we are in today, but in 8-9 years, then come find me and I'll concede our inferiority.

TCU's membership in B12 insures SMU's inferiority for all time to come. Once SMU had the capacity to close the perception gap between itself and TCU....but no more.

THe presence of TCU and SMU in Dallas-Ft. Worth will always serve as a reminder of the mighty B12 and the futility of the "elite" BE.

See what I mean Comet?

Tallgrass, the word you were looking for is "ensures." And even at that, you would be wrong.

TCU has not been in the B12 ever...and they are at a higher level than Tech and Baylor.

I know. That is why B12 added them and BE gets stuck with SMU.

You realize that that completely invalidates your post, right?

If you don't, then that's just sad.

No, it doesn't. BE adding SMU and CUSA adding UNT improves both conferences.

(11-20-2011 01:41 PM)Caltex2 Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 01:36 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 01:34 PM)KingKong Wrote:  Is UTSA the same start up team that is said to be giving 4 football tickets with a bucket of KFC chicken , and doing some other ticket give-a-ways and calling them "paid attendance"? Didn't they also have some free concerts, free food coupons and money give-a-ways to encourage people to go to the games? If so, that really, really skews the "attendance".

[img]UTSA KFC giveaway promotion[/img]

Uhh ahh? that's not real, is it?

It's real. I got that straight off of the alumni section of UTSA.edu

http://alumni.utsa.edu/page.aspx?pid=489

(11-20-2011 01:41 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 01:37 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 01:35 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 01:25 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 01:22 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  TCU's membership in B12 insures SMU's inferiority for all time to come. Once SMU had the capacity to close the perception gap between itself and TCU....but no more.

THe presence of TCU and SMU in Dallas-Ft. Worth will always serve as a reminder of the mighty B12 and the futility of the "elite" BE.

See what I mean Comet?

Tallgrass, the word you were looking for is "ensures." And even at that, you would be wrong.

TCU has not been in the B12 ever...and they are at a higher level than Tech and Baylor.

I know. That is why B12 added them and BE gets stuck with SMU.

You realize that that completely invalidates your post, right?

If you don't, then that's just sad.

No, it doesn't. BE adding SMU and CUSA adding UNT improves both conferences.

LOL it proves that Big 12 membership is not required (and in fact is perhaps undesirable during the building process) to be recognized as a top-level football program in Texas.

Game, set, match.

UTSA's Home Football Opponents....UTSA's attendance is all the more remarkable considering it went 4-6 and played the following teams at home.

In its last game, UTSA was 3-6 and played another unattractive opponent, Minot State, and still drew 32,000+.

Northeastern State
McMurray
Bacone
South Alabama
Georgia State
Minot State

(11-20-2011 01:15 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 12:30 PM)Caltex2 Wrote:  There would be no atmosphere at Reliant. That's why it's the Rob or nothing. Our games would be a step up from Tulane's. Plus, as we learned for years while playing at the Astrodome, people are less inclined to buy season tickets if there will always be extra individual tickets available. We don't have a fan base yet (and really, any time in the foreseeable future) that can fill 70,000 seats through thick in thin so the best way to build toward that is to take it a step at a time.

Enthusiasm and atmosphere appear not to be a problem for UTSA.

UTSA ENTHUSIASM & ATMOSPHERE

Oh give me a break, they are in the novelty stage. It's like the new outlet mall, shopping center, neighborhood, etc... that opens in your community that is not like anything that's ever been around it. Or it's like the new kid at school.

Once the newness and the mystery surrounding it goes away, it won't be nearly as popular as it used to, at least generally speaking. And unless UTSA is the next Boise State on the gridiron, that is exactly what is in their future.

Granted, they may do a little better than UH in that they aren't in a pro sports market besides the Spurs but the fact is UH used to have an atmosphere like that in the late 1960's and on through to the late 1970's. We used to have crowds of 40,000-50,000, once even for a very important basketball game. Then, not only did pro sports grow in popularity but the novelty of UH wore off. Playing in the 'Dome, we were like the JV team or the warm up team to the Oilers. A college team carving a niche in a pro sports market.

UTSA may turn out to be an alright program all around but let's give it some time before we crown them as the next big thing. I'm sure Birmingham was tickled to have home team to root for at the highest level a decade ago but now look at UAB.

(11-20-2011 01:36 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 01:34 PM)KingKong Wrote:  Is UTSA the same start up team that is said to be giving 4 football tickets with a bucket of KFC chicken , and doing some other ticket give-a-ways and calling them "paid attendance"? Didn't they also have some free concerts, free food coupons and money give-a-ways to encourage people to go to the games? If so, that really, really skews the "attendance".

LOLOLOLOLOL

(11-20-2011 01:55 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  UTSA's Home Football Opponents....UTSA's attendance is all the more remarkable considering it went 4-6 and played the following teams at home.

In its last game, UTSA was 3-6 and played another unattractive opponent, Minot State, and still drew 32,000+.

Northeastern State
McMurray
Bacone
South Alabama
Georgia State
Minot State

Lets see what they do when they are not a brand new program anymore.

(11-20-2011 01:34 PM)KingKong Wrote:  Is UTSA the same start up team that is said to be giving 4 football tickets with a bucket of KFC chicken , and doing some other ticket give-a-ways and calling them "paid attendance"? Didn't they also have some free concerts, free food coupons and money give-a-ways to encourage people to go to the games? If so, that really, really skews the "attendance".

If so, it's also a really damn good idea and they should be happy it's working.

(11-20-2011 01:57 PM)Caltex2 Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 01:15 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 12:30 PM)Caltex2 Wrote:  There would be no atmosphere at Reliant. That's why it's the Rob or nothing. Our games would be a step up from Tulane's. Plus, as we learned for years while playing at the Astrodome, people are less inclined to buy season tickets if there will always be extra individual tickets available. We don't have a fan base yet (and really, any time in the foreseeable future) that can fill 70,000 seats through thick in thin so the best way to build toward that is to take it a step at a time.

Enthusiasm and atmosphere appear not to be a problem for UTSA.

UTSA ENTHUSIASM & ATMOSPHERE

Oh give me a break, they are in the novelty stage. It's like the new outlet mall, shopping center, neighborhood, etc... that opens in your community that is not like anything there's ever been around it. Or it's like the new kid at school.

Once the newness and the mystery surrounding it goes away, it won't be nearly as popular as it used to, at least generally speaking. And unless UTSA is the next Boise State on the gridiron, that is exactly what is in their future.

Granted, they may do a little better than UH in that they aren't in a pro sports market besides the Spurs but the fact is UH used to have an atmosphere like that in the late 1960's and on through to the late 1970's. We used to have crowds of 40,000-50,000, once even for a very important basketball game. Then, not only did pro sports grow in popularity but the novelty of UH wore off. Playing in the 'Dome, we were like the JV team or the warm up team to the Oilers. A college team carving a niche in a pro sports market.

UTSA may turn out to be an alright program all around but let's give it some time before we crown them as the next big thing. I'm sure Birmingham was tickled to have home team to root for at the highest level a decade ago but now look at UAB.

That video sucked. All it showed me was that the majority of UTSA fans don't know their chants, and need coaching by a PA guy.

(11-20-2011 01:35 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 01:25 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 01:22 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 01:13 PM)Comet Wrote:  [quote='Tallgrass' pid='7169751' dateline='1321812007']

Hate to lose UCF and Houston...but that's life.

"Losing" SMU and gaining UNT is a plus for CUSA. UNT brings enthusiam and probably stronger fan interest and attendance and tv.

I look for TCU to start averaging crowds of 50,000+ next year and occasionally putting a game or two in Jerry's World and selling it out. Must be tough to be a Mustang fan and I think this is the reason for all the malaise around the SMU program.

You're comparing a 4 year rebuilding program (SMU), to a program that's been on this course for 12-13 years now (TCU). Similar institution with similar advantages and disadvantages, only difference is they have been fixing their program much longer than us. If we still are in the shape we are in today, but in 8-9 years, then come find me and I'll concede our inferiority.

TCU's membership in B12 insures SMU's inferiority for all time to come. Once SMU had the capacity to close the perception gap between itself and TCU....but no more.

THe presence of TCU and SMU in Dallas-Ft. Worth will always serve as a reminder of the mighty B12 and the futility of the "elite" BE.

See what I mean Comet?

Tallgrass, the word you were looking for is "ensures." And even at that, you would be wrong.

TCU has not been in the B12 ever...and they are at a higher level than Tech and Baylor.

The question is can they stay there. The reason they are there is they spent as if they were making the same kind of revenue (not saying that's a negative). I assume they'll be able to increase spending to reflect their new revenue level, but the question is will it be enough?

I like TCU. As a kid when the Coogs entered the SWC, I thought they had the coolest mascot (or tied with Arkansas) of our opponents. I'd like to see them continue to succeed.

THe KFC promotional was only for the last two home games and only for the upper stands.

Regarding future attendance, a stronger CUSA conference schedule and nonconference games will boost attendance. UTSA has scheduled heavily in their nonconference games so that serves to boost attendance. But, if they scheduled too heavily, UTSA could end up with a series on nonwinning teams which would serve to cause attendance to decline.

(11-20-2011 12:30 PM)Caltex2 Wrote:  There would be no atmosphere at Reliant. That's why it's the Rob or nothing. Our games would be a step up from Tulane's. Plus, as we learned for years while playing at the Astrodome, people are less inclined to buy season tickets if there will always be extra individual tickets available. We don't have a fan base yet (and really, any time in the foreseeable future) that can fill 70,000 seats through thick and thin, so the best way to build toward that is to take it a step at a time.

I couldn't agree more. Playing on campus is a huge thing, and you are better off having a stadium that's possibly a little too small for what you need than one that's way too big. Increase demand, and then you can add seats when needed. If it's too easy to get a ticket you won't be able to sell as many season tickets.

Chicken promotion or not...UTSA did a fine job in its first season. Most of CUSA would love to have 30k at the games. ECU had promotions also with $5 student tickets and discounted upper deck tickets. I say do whatever you can to fill empty seats. Cudos to the USTA athletic department for understanding that FAN SUPPORT is crucial for building a program long term. It will be interesting to follow their progress.

(11-20-2011 01:36 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 01:34 PM)KingKong Wrote:  Is UTSA the same start up team that is said to be giving 4 football tickets with a bucket of KFC chicken , and doing some other ticket give-a-ways and calling them "paid attendance"? Didn't they also have some free concerts, free food coupons and money give-a-ways to encourage people to go to the games? If so, that really, really skews the "attendance".

when did kfc start selling gallons of sweat tea?

(11-20-2011 05:01 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 01:36 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 01:34 PM)KingKong Wrote:  Is UTSA the same start up team that is said to be giving 4 football tickets with a bucket of KFC chicken , and doing some other ticket give-a-ways and calling them "paid attendance"? Didn't they also have some free concerts, free food coupons and money give-a-ways to encourage people to go to the games? If so, that really, really skews the "attendance".

when did kfc start selling gallons of sweat tea?

I grew up south of San Antonio and they always served gallons of sweet tea (with a to-go order)

(11-20-2011 04:30 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 12:30 PM)Caltex2 Wrote:  There would be no atmosphere at Reliant. That's why it's the Rob or nothing. Our games would be a step up from Tulane's. Plus, as we learned for years while playing at the Astrodome, people are less inclined to buy season tickets if there will always be extra individual tickets available. We don't have a fan base yet (and really, any time in the foreseeable future) that can fill 70,000 seats through thick and thin, so the best way to build toward that is to take it a step at a time.

I couldn't agree more. Playing on campus is a huge thing, and you are better off having a stadium that's possibly a little too small for what you need than one that's way too big. Increase demand, and then you can add seats when needed. If it's too easy to get a ticket you won't be able to sell as many season tickets.

From what I've seen, it does work when you do it the right way. That's what Houston's trying to do now, and I think that's what you guys have been doing for so long, right?

(11-20-2011 12:10 PM)GeminiShamrock Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 12:04 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  I know the Coog fans are going to be upset..... BUT even Kansas has 50K.

I know the stadium only seats 33K or so. But isn't Reliant stadium in the same city? Cant the school rent it out? Someone said it was the HOTTEST ticket in town.

Seat 60K, then I'll be the first one to say "THose Coogs deserve credit". But 32-33K sounds like pUNT to me.

We would've used the Astrodome, but it's unusable right now due to violating major structure codes. (That's pretty much what I told b0ndsj0ns a few days ago.) Seriously, the stadium can hold up to 60,000 plus for football.

Im confused... Up to 60,000 plus?

(11-20-2011 05:30 PM)Dorrej Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 12:10 PM)GeminiShamrock Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 12:04 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  I know the Coog fans are going to be upset..... BUT even Kansas has 50K.

I know the stadium only seats 33K or so. But isn't Reliant stadium in the same city? Cant the school rent it out? Someone said it was the HOTTEST ticket in town.

Seat 60K, then I'll be the first one to say "THose Coogs deserve credit". But 32-33K sounds like pUNT to me.

We would've used the Astrodome, but it's unusable right now due to violating major structure codes. (That's pretty much what I told b0ndsj0ns a few days ago.) Seriously, the stadium can hold up to 60,000 plus for football.

Im confused... Up to 60,000 plus?

I don't remember the exact number, okay? I know it's around 60,000, at least. I actually wanna say it's close to 65,000, but I'm not completely sure about that.

(11-20-2011 05:33 PM)GeminiShamrock Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 05:30 PM)Dorrej Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 12:10 PM)GeminiShamrock Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 12:04 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  I know the Coog fans are going to be upset..... BUT even Kansas has 50K.

I know the stadium only seats 33K or so. But isn't Reliant stadium in the same city? Cant the school rent it out? Someone said it was the HOTTEST ticket in town.

Seat 60K, then I'll be the first one to say "THose Coogs deserve credit". But 32-33K sounds like pUNT to me.

We would've used the Astrodome, but it's unusable right now due to violating major structure codes. (That's pretty much what I told b0ndsj0ns a few days ago.) Seriously, the stadium can hold up to 60,000 plus for football.

Im confused... Up to 60,000 plus?

I don't remember the exact number, okay? I know it's around 60,000, at least. I actually wanna say it's close to 65,000, but I'm not completely sure about that.

I was just giving you a hard time.

(11-20-2011 04:30 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(11-20-2011 12:30 PM)Caltex2 Wrote:  There would be no atmosphere at Reliant. That's why it's the Rob or nothing. Our games would be a step up from Tulane's. Plus, as we learned for years while playing at the Astrodome, people are less inclined to buy season tickets if there will always be extra individual tickets available. We don't have a fan base yet (and really, any time in the foreseeable future) that can fill 70,000 seats through thick and thin, so the best way to build toward that is to take it a step at a time.

I couldn't agree more. Playing on campus is a huge thing, and you are better off having a stadium that's possibly a little too small for what you need than one that's way too big. Increase demand, and then you can add seats when needed. If it's too easy to get a ticket you won't be able to sell as many season tickets.

One need only look at Rice. Yeah, hindsight is 20/20 but though Rice Stadium was perfect for the time it is obviously far oversized now and Rice using it is like a baby wearing adult's clothes.