chess Wrote:

SO#1 Wrote:ECU – North Carolina have too many competition, at best they number three at worth they are number five. The value of adding one eighth of the pie is not there.

I am trying to find a way to comment without getting bogged down or insulting....

The states of New England are small. In many ways they could be considered "counties" of larger states.

East Carolina will never "own" North Carolina but, they don't have to.

The school is covered in eastern North Carolina, Piedmont North Carolina (The Triangle), Southeast Virginia (Tidewater Area), and is partually covered in Central Virginia (Richmond). We have fans and fans that travel.

ECU recruits a large number of its students from New England (New Jersey, New York, Philadelphia).

Saying that North Carolina has too much competition is like saying New York couldn't support another major league team (football, basketball, baseball).

All you saying is how much your programs will benefit from being association with us. But a warm body and extra mouth is not what we need. The NCAA requires a minimum of 8 I-A schools to be classifying as I-A conference. Unfortunate for you we pick USF, a warm body, now we can be more selective. Unless you bring something of a value that can offset your share of expense to the table I rather daydream of PSU and ND then take you in. This is not personal. This is a business decision

What does each BE I-A program bring to the table now? Remember, All-sports Conference

<span style='color:orange'>Syracuse</span> (spend $34,306,017 sponsor 20 sports) is a national basketball program with a football program that had national success.

<span style='color:blue'>West Virginia </span>(spend $34,454,851 sponsor 17 sports) has a competitive football program with strong fan support.

Pittsburgh (spend $31,769,592 sponsor 19 sports) had a national success in football and currently become competitive again in football and basketball.

<span style='color:red'>Rutgers</span> (spend $31,940,493 sponsor 28 sports) did invented college football. Someday will deliver New York market.

<span style='color:blue'>Connecticut</span> (spend $36,337,819 sponsor 24 sports) is a national basketball programs in men and women and already went and won a bowl game.

<span style='color:red'>Louisville</span> (spend $35,170,247 sponsor 21 sports) has a national basketball program and currently a football team play on a national stage.

Cincinnati (spend $22,908,842 sponsor 18 sports) has a national basketball program and invests heavily into facility.

<span style='color:green'>South Florida</span> (spend $18,566,177 sponsor 17 sports). All of the schools on this list are over 100 years old but like I say we need an eight spot to be fill, the NCAA say so. Maybe someday they bring something to table

Most of the schools have a national program in basketball or football currently or in the past. You have five years to prove your worth. A warm body we don’t need. We want to add a national program. In the meantime C-USA is not so bad.

SO#1 Wrote:All you saying is how much your programs will benefit from being association with us. But a warm body and extra mouth is not what we need.

I didn't say or suggest what you are implying.

In fact, you are mixing a number of arguments together to prove a point that, frankly, doesn't need to be proved today.

I WAS replying to your attempt in implying that 5 division 1-A football schools is too many for one state.

I am suggesting that ECU has a market and "holds its own" in that market despite your belief that 5 Division 1-A schools is too many.

mlbUC Wrote:Not that I really want to get into the middle of this pissing match... but I do have a question. How can any fan of Toledo rip on another city by saying it is a "toilet of a city"? They need to take a look in their back yard, not to mention their lake nearby.

Ann Arbor, on the other hand, is a nice little city (and an easy lay :D ).

As I said, I am from Detroit, lived in Toledo and visited Juarez. Memphis is the dirtiest city I have ever been in.

THERE WERE DRUG DEALERS ON BEALE STREET. MORE THAN ONE. IN THE PLACE THAT YOUR CITY TRIES TO GET TOURISTS TO GO.

And the Memphis campus is one of the 5 worst I have visited (and I have been to over 100 the past three years).

It's a toilet of a city, a joke of a school and a laughable football program.

RocketWolverine Wrote:

mlbUC Wrote:Not that I really want to get into the middle of this pissing match... but I do have a question. How can any fan of Toledo rip on another city by saying it is a "toilet of a city"? They need to take a look in their back yard, not to mention their lake nearby.

Ann Arbor, on the other hand, is a nice little city (and an easy lay&nbsp; :D ).

As I said, I am from Detroit, lived in Toledo and visited Juarez. Memphis is the dirtiest city I have ever been in.

THERE WERE DRUG DEALERS ON BEALE STREET. MORE THAN ONE. IN THE PLACE THAT YOUR CITY TRIES TO GET TOURISTS TO GO.

And the Memphis campus is one of the 5 worst I have visited (and I have been to over 100 the past three years).

It's a toilet of a city, a joke of a school and a laughable football program.

"drug dealers on Beale Street..." going by your posts, I bet you know where the drug dealers are in every city you visit.

Maize Wrote:

KnightLight Wrote:

Maize Wrote:You have schools in nice markets but at best those teams outside of Memphis and UTEP are the number 2 schools in those markets.&nbsp; The Big East on the other hand has 3 State schools in UConn, Rutgers and West Virginia plus schools that are number 1 in there market like Syracuse, Louisville and Pitt is on equal footing with Penn State in Pittsburgh.&nbsp; BTW latest poll had around 70% of the people in Louisville being UofL fans with 30% being UK fans.

The problem for C-USA schools is that for the most part fans in those cities are fans of Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Florida, Florida State, West Virginia, Alabama, Auburn and LSU with Pro Franchises like the Texans, Cowboys, Magic, Rockets, Astros, Saints and Rangers.

Maize....UTEP is #2 in their Market?

Who is #1 in UTEP's Market?


KL

I guess you did not read the post correctly, what I said outside of Memphis and UTEP most teams in C-USA are number 2 in their markets.

Thanks....correct.

UC has recently been approved to take the budget by borrowing off
the 1 billion dollar endowment to approx. 37 million. This way they can compete now instead of five years after the Big East income
is fully kicked in.

tigercat Wrote:

RocketWolverine Wrote:

mlbUC Wrote:Not that I really want to get into the middle of this pissing match... but I do have a question. How can any fan of Toledo rip on another city by saying it is a "toilet of a city"? They need to take a look in their back yard, not to mention their lake nearby.

Ann Arbor, on the other hand, is a nice little city (and an easy lay&nbsp; :D ).

As I said, I am from Detroit, lived in Toledo and visited Juarez. Memphis is the dirtiest city I have ever been in.

THERE WERE DRUG DEALERS ON BEALE STREET. MORE THAN ONE. IN THE PLACE THAT YOUR CITY TRIES TO GET TOURISTS TO GO.

And the Memphis campus is one of the 5 worst I have visited (and I have been to over 100 the past three years).

It's a toilet of a city, a joke of a school and a laughable football program.

"drug dealers on Beale Street..." going by your posts, I bet you know where the drug dealers are in every city you visit.

*yawn*

Judging by the douchebags in this thread, I hope that Toledo and Memphis get invites to the BEast. It would make the wins that much more enjoyable, knowing that turd burglars like you were crying in your Zima after ANOTHER loss to Toledo.

RocketWolverine Wrote:

mlbUC Wrote:Not that I really want to get into the middle of this pissing match... but I do have a question. How can any fan of Toledo rip on another city by saying it is a "toilet of a city"? They need to take a look in their back yard, not to mention their lake nearby.

Ann Arbor, on the other hand, is a nice little city (and an easy lay&nbsp; :D ).

As I said, I am from Detroit, lived in Toledo and visited Juarez. Memphis is the dirtiest city I have ever been in.

THERE WERE DRUG DEALERS ON BEALE STREET. MORE THAN ONE. IN THE PLACE THAT YOUR CITY TRIES TO GET TOURISTS TO GO.

And the Memphis campus is one of the 5 worst I have visited (and I have been to over 100 the past three years).

It's a toilet of a city, a joke of a school and a laughable football program.

So drug dealers downtown is how you classify a city as dirty?
Can we just get the list of clean cities by that definition? I'm sure that list is shorter.

I like how when everyone made fun of the Toledo stadium you dodged it and talked about how you're really a Michigan fan. That was a nice dodge. I guess it's easier than admitting that Toledo's stadium is about the size of a high school stadium.

chess Wrote:

SO#1 Wrote:All you saying is how much your programs will benefit from being association with us. But a warm body and extra mouth is not what we need.

I didn't say or suggest what you are implying.

In fact, you are mixing a number of arguments together to prove a point that, frankly, doesn't need to be proved today.

I WAS replying to your attempt in implying that 5 division 1-A football schools is too many for one state.

I am suggesting that ECU has a market and "holds its own" in that market despite your belief that 5 Division 1-A schools is too many.

If that is your point then you don’t need to tell us about where your student body came from.

North Carolina is not California, Texas or Florida.

What is the difference between Western Michigan, Central Michigan and Eastern Michigan? You would not make mistake between them and Michigan State or Michigan.

How about the difference between Louisiana Tech, Louisiana-Lafayette, Louisiana-Monroe and Tulane? Any casual fan can tell the difference between them and LSU. Do you understand the point now? You are not even a second-class citizen in your own state. Perception is just as importance.

PyramidGhost Wrote:

RocketWolverine Wrote:

mlbUC Wrote:Not that I really want to get into the middle of this pissing match... but I do have a question. How can any fan of Toledo rip on another city by saying it is a "toilet of a city"? They need to take a look in their back yard, not to mention their lake nearby.

Ann Arbor, on the other hand, is a nice little city (and an easy lay  :D ).

As I said, I am from Detroit, lived in Toledo and visited Juarez. Memphis is the dirtiest city I have ever been in.

THERE WERE DRUG DEALERS ON BEALE STREET. MORE THAN ONE. IN THE PLACE THAT YOUR CITY TRIES TO GET TOURISTS TO GO.

And the Memphis campus is one of the 5 worst I have visited (and I have been to over 100 the past three years).

It's a toilet of a city, a joke of a school and a laughable football program.

So drug dealers downtown is how you classify a city as dirty?
Can we just get the list of clean cities by that definition? I'm sure that list is shorter.

I like how when everyone made fun of the Toledo stadium you dodged it and talked about how you're really a Michigan fan. That was a nice dodge. I guess it's easier than admitting that Toledo's stadium is about the size of a high school stadium.

I don't want to get into this stuff with you guys and RocketWolverine, but the Glass Bowl in Toledo is far from a high school stadium.

It might only seat 26,248 but it has been rated the best stadium in the MAC by the Sporting News.........I believe Marshall's stadium was #2 and Western Michigan's #3.

The turf was installed in 2001 so that is pretty new too......I believe the picture posted on this thread was from like 1997 or 1998, when we had the older astroturf.

Also, we have one of the finer press boxes in college football with several luxury boxes. We have a hint of old-time architechture too, as the two original towers are still in the north endzone. These are from when the stadium was originally constructed in 1937.

Again, seating capacity is smaller at just 26,248 but the last expansion in 1990 was done so that the seating could easily be increased to 51K given the current structure.

Why doesn't one of the admins ban this Rocketwolverine douchebag. I like reading this board without wading through this much garbage and everything he's posted is garbage so far.

Anyone else notice how his lame ****** responded to a crack on Toledo's small stadium by posting a pic of Michigan's? Like that somehow proves Toledo's stadium is nice! Next time someone cuts on UofL's PJCS I'll post a pic of the Rose Bowl to "prove" my point.

Seriously, does ANYONE want to continue reading his crap. Just ban garbage like him.

RocketWolverine Wrote:

tigercat Wrote:

RocketWolverine Wrote:

mlbUC Wrote:Not that I really want to get into the middle of this pissing match... but I do have a question. How can any fan of Toledo rip on another city by saying it is a "toilet of a city"? They need to take a look in their back yard, not to mention their lake nearby.

Ann Arbor, on the other hand, is a nice little city (and an easy lay&nbsp; :D ).

As I said, I am from Detroit, lived in Toledo and visited Juarez. Memphis is the dirtiest city I have ever been in.

THERE WERE DRUG DEALERS ON BEALE STREET. MORE THAN ONE. IN THE PLACE THAT YOUR CITY TRIES TO GET TOURISTS TO GO.

And the Memphis campus is one of the 5 worst I have visited (and I have been to over 100 the past three years).

It's a toilet of a city, a joke of a school and a laughable football program.

"drug dealers on Beale Street..." going by your posts, I bet you know where the drug dealers are in every city you visit.

*yawn*

Judging by the douchebags in this thread, I hope that Toledo and Memphis get invites to the BEast. It would make the wins that much more enjoyable, knowing that turd burglars like you were crying in your Zima after ANOTHER loss to Toledo.

Keep dreaming Toledo's decent but Pitt, WVU, Conn, UL, and Cuse are all definitely better. I'd also imagine that Rutgers, UC, and USF would also give you a run for your money.

SO#1 Wrote:<span style='color:green'>South Florida</span> (spend $18,566,177 sponsor 17 sports). All of the schools on this list are over 100 years old but like I say we need an eight spot to be fill, the NCAA say so. Maybe someday they bring something to table

got this off of another usf board from one of our associate athletic directors who posted to try to clear things up concerning our budget.

"As for comparing budgets, keep in mind that the facilities for football and men's and women's basketball do not run through the Department of Athletics budget, unlike most--if not all--of our Big East partners. That doesn't close the gap, but it makes a significant difference. "

Quote:It might only seat 26,248 but it has been rated the best stadium in the MAC by the Sporting News

That's like being named the Valedictorian of Summer School.

PyramidGhost Wrote:

RocketWolverine Wrote:

mlbUC Wrote:Not that I really want to get into the middle of this pissing match... but I do have a question. How can any fan of Toledo rip on another city by saying it is a "toilet of a city"? They need to take a look in their back yard, not to mention their lake nearby.

Ann Arbor, on the other hand, is a nice little city (and an easy lay&nbsp; :D ).

As I said, I am from Detroit, lived in Toledo and visited Juarez. Memphis is the dirtiest city I have ever been in.

THERE WERE DRUG DEALERS ON BEALE STREET. MORE THAN ONE. IN THE PLACE THAT YOUR CITY TRIES TO GET TOURISTS TO GO.

And the Memphis campus is one of the 5 worst I have visited (and I have been to over 100 the past three years).

It's a toilet of a city, a joke of a school and a laughable football program.

So drug dealers downtown is how you classify a city as dirty?
Can we just get the list of clean cities by that definition? I'm sure that list is shorter.

I like how when everyone made fun of the Toledo stadium you dodged it and talked about how you're really a Michigan fan. That was a nice dodge. I guess it's easier than admitting that Toledo's stadium is about the size of a high school stadium.

1. Every city has drug dealers. Not every city allows drug dealers to harrass tourists in the tourist part of town. Do you understand the difference?

2. I am not a Michigan fan, I am a Michigan alum. Fans are people like you who don't go to college, who didn't attend the school they are a fan of. When someone says "your stadium," well, that's Michigan Stadium. That's mine, that's the stadium of my alma mater. The Glass Bowl is not my stadium, that's Toledo's.

3. What difference does it make if the stadium only seats 30,000? They pack the place for big games (something that a lot of BEast teams can't even seem to do), and they win at home (something a lot of BEast teams can't do). Would you rather play your home games at Lincoln Financial to 10,000 fans who don't care, or worse, a bunch of Syracuse or Pitt fans who made the trek to cheer for their home team? Or would you rather play at a small, packed stadium where the fans go nuts all game intimidating your opposition, and where you win almost every game you play?

4. I had season tickets my entire time at UM. I have been to big games against Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan State, Iowa and Wisconsin (who, besides Notre Dame, are all legitimate BCS schools, as opposed to the glorified mid-majors of the BEast). Never once did it get as loud there as it did at the Glass Bowl when Toledo came from behind in the 2nd half and knocked off 8th-ranked Pitt.

So, as your (internet) girlfriend tells you repeatedly, size doesn't matter. It's what you do with it.

fsquid Wrote:

Quote:It might only seat 26,248 but it has been rated the best stadium in the MAC by the Sporting News

That's like being named the Valedictorian of Summer School.

Summer school is something you should know all about, Mr. I couldn't get into a school that didn't have an open enrollment policy.

Seriously, a Memphis fan trying to rip Toledo is hilarious. You are a mid-major just like Toledo. Toledo has a top-25 calibre football team and a mediocre basketball team. Memphis has a top-25 calibre basketbally team and a mediocre football team. Both are commuter schools. CUSA is a far weaker football conference than the MAC, and the basketball side is pretty much even (CUSA stronger at the top, MAC stronger throughout).

You have absolutely no reason nor right to rip Toledo for anything.

brista21 Wrote:

RocketWolverine Wrote:

tigercat Wrote:

RocketWolverine Wrote:

mlbUC Wrote:Not that I really want to get into the middle of this pissing match... but I do have a question. How can any fan of Toledo rip on another city by saying it is a "toilet of a city"? They need to take a look in their back yard, not to mention their lake nearby.

Ann Arbor, on the other hand, is a nice little city (and an easy lay&nbsp; :D ).

As I said, I am from Detroit, lived in Toledo and visited Juarez. Memphis is the dirtiest city I have ever been in.

THERE WERE DRUG DEALERS ON BEALE STREET. MORE THAN ONE. IN THE PLACE THAT YOUR CITY TRIES TO GET TOURISTS TO GO.

And the Memphis campus is one of the 5 worst I have visited (and I have been to over 100 the past three years).

It's a toilet of a city, a joke of a school and a laughable football program.

"drug dealers on Beale Street..." going by your posts, I bet you know where the drug dealers are in every city you visit.

*yawn*

Judging by the douchebags in this thread, I hope that Toledo and Memphis get invites to the BEast. It would make the wins that much more enjoyable, knowing that turd burglars like you were crying in your Zima after ANOTHER loss to Toledo.

Keep dreaming Toledo's decent but Pitt, WVU, Conn, UL, and Cuse are all definitely better. I'd also imagine that Rutgers, UC, and USF would also give you a run for your money.

Pitt, WVU and UL are the only teams of that group that have been ranked in the top 25 more recently than Toledo has.

You are an ignorant ******.

CollegeCard Wrote:Why doesn't one of the admins ban this Rocketwolverine douchebag. I like reading this board without wading through this much garbage and everything he's posted is garbage so far.

Anyone else notice how his lame ****** responded to a crack on Toledo's small stadium by posting a pic of Michigan's? Like that somehow proves Toledo's stadium is nice! Next time someone cuts on UofL's PJCS I'll post a pic of the Rose Bowl to "prove" my point.

Seriously, does ANYONE want to continue reading his crap. Just ban garbage like him.

Your school doesn't play in the Rose Bowl. Bad analogy.

My alma mater plays in Michigan Stadium. Someone said "your stadium," so I posted a pic of "my stadium."

Interesting that you bring up the Rose Bowl. My alma mater has been there more than any other team in the Big Ten.

RocketWolverine Wrote:1. Every city has drug dealers. Not every city allows drug dealers to harrass tourists in the tourist part of town. Do you understand the difference?

So you go to a street, full of bars, in the heart of downtown, and you find a drug dealer. Wow, that's like finding a drug dealer on Sunset Strip or Times Square.

Quote:2. I am not a Michigan fan, I am a Michigan alum. Fans are people like you who don't go to college, who didn't attend the school they are a fan of. When someone says "your stadium," well, that's Michigan Stadium. That's mine, that's the stadium of my alma mater. The Glass Bowl is not my stadium, that's Toledo's.

Right, so then you will agree that Toledo is a football joke since that's not your team?

Quote:3. What difference does it make if the stadium only seats 30,000? They pack the place for big games (something that a lot of BEast teams can't even seem to do), and they win at home (something a lot of BEast teams can't do). Would you rather play your home games at Lincoln Financial to 10,000 fans who don't care, or worse, a bunch of Syracuse or Pitt fans who made the trek to cheer for their home team? Or would you rather play at a small, packed stadium where the fans go nuts all game intimidating your opposition, and where you win almost every game you play?

I thought Michigan's stadium was your stadium so why are you talking about Toledo again?

Quote:4. I had season tickets my entire time at UM. I have been to big games against Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan State, Iowa and Wisconsin (who, besides Notre Dame, are all legitimate BCS schools, as opposed to the glorified mid-majors of the BEast). Never once did it get as loud there as it did at the Glass Bowl when Toledo came from behind in the 2nd half and knocked off 8th-ranked Pitt.

So Michigan is your school when someone knocks Toledo and you can't defend them, but Toledo is your school at all other times? You're the one that brought up Michigan, not me. It's like me saying, shutup about Memphis, UT is in Tennessee let's talk about them.

Quote:So, as your (internet) girlfriend tells you repeatedly, size doesn't matter. It's what you do with it.

My internet girlfriend? Right, so everyone that uses the Internet can only get Internet girlfriends. Way to group yourself into that generalization as well. You talk about the great city of Toledo, lose the argument, then talk about Michigan. Again, how is the great football powerhouse of Toledo better than Memphis? Because their stadium seats about half as many? Because they beat an overrated Pitt team? Because there's not a single drug dealer near any of the bars in all of Toledo? I'm sorry that your sketchy looking self got offered drugs in a part of town full of bars. I've never been offered drugs on Beale, but I dress well and don't invite it so maybe it's more about the person than the city.

This thead went down the tubes fast.