Just wanted to start the new thread......

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You're a d!ck.

There's always at least one and usually more than one around here that do that start threads like that. Juvenile.

(10-15-2011 05:58 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  ^
You're a d!ck.

For pointing out the obvious? For beating you to it? For saying something you disagree with? For saying something negative on a day when you didn't get a nap? For being frustrated?

You need more context in your posts.

Ok, I'll expand for you, "you're a dick for acting like a juvy who had a bad day and just wants to start some chit".

Cubit is still "safe" at this point but the defensive staff better dust off their resumes.

NO AD in their right mind would get rid of BC with the amount of success you guys have had since he got here. Save for maybe one or two years you have been competative year in and year out. Unless he has a couple years like Darnell had at the end of his run I think BC will coach for WMU as long as he wants.

(10-16-2011 08:09 AM)michmaster Wrote:  NO AD in their right mind would get rid of BC with the amount of success you guys have had since he got here. Save for maybe one or two years you have been competative year in and year out. Unless he has a couple years like Darnell had at the end of his run I think BC will coach for WMU as long as he wants.

I suppose. But his contract is up after next year, and if we don't win a championship this year or next..

(10-16-2011 10:37 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(10-16-2011 08:09 AM)michmaster Wrote:  NO AD in their right mind would get rid of BC with the amount of success you guys have had since he got here. Save for maybe one or two years you have been competative year in and year out. Unless he has a couple years like Darnell had at the end of his run I think BC will coach for WMU as long as he wants.

I suppose. But his contract is up after next year, and if we don't win a championship this year or next..

I like Cubit, despite the hiccups and scars along the way. Most years at or above average. Unless a true disaster strikes, there won't be any firing.

However, if we (hypothetically) churn out a couple more "decent" 6-6/7-5 seasons, which as we and Temple learned last year doesn't guarantee you some minor bowl game somewhere, it'll be interesting to see if his contract is renewed. Grade-wise, he's been a consistent "B". Not a "C" or "D" which would get you fired, but not an "A" which would get you plucked by a BCS program. Seems like in most years, we're better than 8 or 9 other MAC teams, but juuust short of 2 or 3 MAC teams. Thing is, with no MACC appearance in over a decade despite reasonably good records, a relatively clean program and a few BCS wins along the way, the decision would be whether to stick with a good (not great) performer, or look for some new blood to land us a few 'breakout' years. Not an easy decision.

I think if the NIU game exposes our D, and we don't make adjustments, and we end up 7-5, he'd need to stay in the 6-6/7-5 routine for a couple more years straight after before he'd ACTUALLY be fired.

IMO, if I was AD, for him to keep his job, looking at this year and 2 more years, he'd need to do one of the following (without collapse on other two):
- Get two 8-win seasons; one 5-7 or 6-6 season w/ MAC record being 4-4 or better
- Get one 1-loss MAC season, one 2-loss MAC season, and one 3-loss MAC season (minimum combo obviously)
- Beat central 2 out of 3 times & go to a bowl once
- Beat central 1 out of 3 times, and beat two BCS teams in 3 years + go to a bowl once
- Go combined 2 losses on teams we're supposed to beat (spread > +7), and .500 on teams we are err'd to lose to on the road (spread <= -4) -- not measuring exactly by spread; just an indicator of classification
- Lose to only who you should lose to, but in the event of bonking on one or two, counteracted by beating teams you're not supposed to beat, in the positive and then some.

It'd vary of course, based on coaching opportunities of some gems that may come along. If there really is a gem, and Cubit doesn't end up making up losses to central, never gets to the Champ Game, and loses most key games -- I'd take the gem in 2-3 years... but I'd keep him even though he's "okay" if no REAL gem can come around.

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Woa, good backhands Todd!!

(10-16-2011 10:37 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(10-16-2011 08:09 AM)michmaster Wrote:  NO AD in their right mind would get rid of BC with the amount of success you guys have had since he got here. Save for maybe one or two years you have been competative year in and year out. Unless he has a couple years like Darnell had at the end of his run I think BC will coach for WMU as long as he wants.

I suppose. But his contract is up after next year, and if we don't win a championship this year or next..

Based on what Moe used to say about the hockey coaches, realistically the decision to renew should come after *this* season for recruiting purposes. Letting your coaches' contract just expire tends to be a no-no. Take the dumpster fire that our women's basketball team has become after Stewart was just left to expire instead of fired or renewed as an example.

Personally, I'd extend somewhere between 2 and 4 years based on how we finish, unless we finish 4-8/5-7 somehow. Akron and Eastern should be wins to get to 6-6. My expectations are to be bowl eligible, probably go to a bowl, and the extension announcement will happen before the bowl game, and then we'll all complain when we lose the bowl game and blame the extension instead.

If we finish 6-6 again, Cubit better hope there's a bowl slot waiting for us somewhere out there to put some shine on his season (nothing was available for our bowl eligible team last year). Considering how we started, 6-6 would be a disappointment, as this would assume a loss to Toledo plus two more losses against teams we should be favored against.

(10-17-2011 08:00 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  If we finish 6-6 again, Cubit better hope there's a bowl slot waiting for us somewhere out there to put some shine on his season (nothing was available for our bowl eligible team last year). Considering how we started, 6-6 would be a disappointment, as this would assume a loss to Toledo plus two more losses against teams we should be favored against.

I'm assuming they can win @EMU and home vs. Ball State and Akron. Losing those games is an "Oh no, we suck again!" moment. Miami, they should be favored in for win #8, but I'm not willing to put win share above 60% or so on that one. Winning at Toledo would be an upset, IMO.

(10-17-2011 08:00 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  If we finish 6-6 again, Cubit better hope there's a bowl slot waiting for us somewhere out there to put some shine on his season (nothing was available for our bowl eligible team last year). Considering how we started, 6-6 would be a disappointment, as this would assume a loss to Toledo plus two more losses against teams we should be favored against.

About a 100% chance no bowl going 6-6 or 7-5. Basically, only 1 team from the MAC will make it to a bowl game who doesn't go to the MAC Champ game. Essentially, 1 from the East (Temple), and 2 from the West (Toledo/NIU/WMU/BSU). There would have to be a limited amount of bowl-eligible from SEC & Big East for a Mac team to make a 4th bowl. We'd pretty much have to go 8-4 for that (beat BSU & EMU, lose to Toledo only).

7-5 would be a mild disappointment from the eyes of pre-season, but after the non-conf season & beating CMU & BGSU handily, it'd be a solid disappointment. Kind of like a girl leading you on, you get to 2nd base with her, but then she drops you like rotten fruit and runs to her ex. In other words, going 5-3 in the MAC (NIU, Toledo, BSU or EMU losses).

If Cubit goes 6-6, I think then there'll be talk about his head... he won't get fired, but if we go next year losing to NIU & Toledo at HOME, and CMU @CMU, and go 6-6/7-5, I think they'll be looking for opportunities.

In the end, it's about the opportunities for a good proven coach somewhere... and if Cubit is doing the 6-6/7-5 dance over the next two years, we SHOULD grab a great gem -- but then again, he could do that dance for 5 years (with an 8-4 & 5-7 thrown in) and stay if there's no real gem out there.

(10-17-2011 12:11 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  About a 100% chance no bowl going 6-6 or 7-5. Basically, only 1 team from the MAC will make it to a bowl game who doesn't go to the MAC Champ game. Essentially, 1 from the East (Temple), and 2 from the West (Toledo/NIU/WMU/BSU). There would have to be a limited amount of bowl-eligible from SEC & Big East for a Mac team to make a 4th bowl. We'd pretty much have to go 8-4 for that (beat BSU & EMU, lose to Toledo only).

Your wrong about only three MAC teams getting a bowl bid. Because of the number of bowl games and the minimum eligibility requirements the MAC has consistantly sent 4 or 5 teams to bowls in since the number of bowls increased in 2008-2009.

2010-2011 - 4
2009-2010 - 5
2008-2009 - 5

(10-18-2011 12:57 PM)BroncoFaithful Wrote:  

(10-17-2011 12:11 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  About a 100% chance no bowl going 6-6 or 7-5. Basically, only 1 team from the MAC will make it to a bowl game who doesn't go to the MAC Champ game. Essentially, 1 from the East (Temple), and 2 from the West (Toledo/NIU/WMU/BSU). There would have to be a limited amount of bowl-eligible from SEC & Big East for a Mac team to make a 4th bowl. We'd pretty much have to go 8-4 for that (beat BSU & EMU, lose to Toledo only).

Your wrong about only three MAC teams getting a bowl bid. Because of the number of bowl games and the minimum eligibility requirements the MAC has consistantly sent 4 or 5 teams to bowls in since the number of bowls increased in 2008-2009.

2010-2011 - 4
2009-2010 - 5
2008-2009 - 5

But last year Temple was left out with 8 wins, weren't they? And 7-5 teams don't have to be taken before 6-6 teams anymore, right?

(10-18-2011 06:59 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-18-2011 12:57 PM)BroncoFaithful Wrote:  

(10-17-2011 12:11 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  About a 100% chance no bowl going 6-6 or 7-5. Basically, only 1 team from the MAC will make it to a bowl game who doesn't go to the MAC Champ game. Essentially, 1 from the East (Temple), and 2 from the West (Toledo/NIU/WMU/BSU). There would have to be a limited amount of bowl-eligible from SEC & Big East for a Mac team to make a 4th bowl. We'd pretty much have to go 8-4 for that (beat BSU & EMU, lose to Toledo only).

Your wrong about only three MAC teams getting a bowl bid. Because of the number of bowl games and the minimum eligibility requirements the MAC has consistantly sent 4 or 5 teams to bowls in since the number of bowls increased in 2008-2009.

2010-2011 - 4
2009-2010 - 5
2008-2009 - 5

But last year Temple was left out with 8 wins, weren't they? And 7-5 teams don't have to be taken before 6-6 teams anymore, right?

Yes, both are correct, but temple was one of 5 MAC teams to be 8-4, there were 70 available slots and only 72 teams were bowl eligible. Is it a lock that a 7-5 MAC team gets a bowl, no, but it is far from impossible. 120 teams 70 bowl slots, the math on that shows that very few teams with a winning record will be left home.

number of bowl eligible teams each year

2010-2011- 72
2009-2010- 71
2008-2009- 72

(10-19-2011 01:22 AM)BroncoFaithful Wrote:  

(10-18-2011 06:59 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-18-2011 12:57 PM)BroncoFaithful Wrote:  

(10-17-2011 12:11 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  About a 100% chance no bowl going 6-6 or 7-5. Basically, only 1 team from the MAC will make it to a bowl game who doesn't go to the MAC Champ game. Essentially, 1 from the East (Temple), and 2 from the West (Toledo/NIU/WMU/BSU). There would have to be a limited amount of bowl-eligible from SEC & Big East for a Mac team to make a 4th bowl. We'd pretty much have to go 8-4 for that (beat BSU & EMU, lose to Toledo only).

Your wrong about only three MAC teams getting a bowl bid. Because of the number of bowl games and the minimum eligibility requirements the MAC has consistantly sent 4 or 5 teams to bowls in since the number of bowls increased in 2008-2009.

2010-2011 - 4
2009-2010 - 5
2008-2009 - 5

But last year Temple was left out with 8 wins, weren't they? And 7-5 teams don't have to be taken before 6-6 teams anymore, right?

Yes, both are correct, but temple was one of 5 MAC teams to be 8-4, there were 70 available slots and only 72 teams were bowl eligible. Is it a lock that a 7-5 MAC team gets a bowl, no, but it is far from impossible. 120 teams 70 bowl slots, the math on that shows that very few teams with a winning record will be left home.

number of bowl eligible teams each year

2010-2011- 72
2009-2010- 71
2008-2009- 72

Yea, I wouldn't say it's impossible, but even if only a few teams with winning records will be left home, most of the time those teams are MAC teams. 8 wins won't be a guarantee, and 7 wins may or not be enough.

BUMP