templefootballfan Wrote:Would A-10 take Memph & EC, let UCF join another BB conf. Get Temple back from MAC. Pay the 4 schools 1 million yr to play FB in B-E. Championship game & another bowl bid would cover 4 million. All 4 schools would make more money than C-USA pays. [also collect A-10 money] MT afforded Mia 9 million to stay, same theory but in reverse.

MT said that the next expansion candidate would have to bring BIG $$$. ECU & UCF do not fit that definition. Memphis?

Cubanbull Wrote:Hoya
If the football schools decide that they need that 9th team to balance their schedules and the nonfootball members refuse to add that school for football only,i think you will then see the split sooner than the 2010 date most predict.
This is a problem with having a mixed league,the interests between the football playing members and those that dont are NOT the same,things have changed since the BE was first formed when basketball was a bigger money maker than footballl, in this day and age football is the big money maker for college athletics.Notice who the big players in basketball in the last few years have been in the BE:
UConn,Syracuse,Pitt even WV last year. What has happened to Georgetown,St John's,Villanova that were powerhouses in the 80's and 90's? They cant match the money of the football schools.

I do not see a particular objection to football-only members but not many schools outside of the academies would probably do so. Think ECU or Memphis would be allowed to be C-USA in all sports except football?

All the schools are committed for five years. A football-only school doesn't change the landscape that much either way.

To your other comment, nothing "happened" to Georgetown, St. John's, Villanova, etc. in the sense of funding--most I-AA and non-football schools spend about the same on basketball as I-A schools (Georgetown spends less, but that's for another topic.) What happened was that these schools lost their headline coaches (Thompson, Carnesecca, Massimino) and their replacements struggled.

You are beginning to see the next wave (Thompson III, Roberts, Wright) do much, much better. By 2010, you might just see these schools up there in the front seat of the league while some I-A schools are adjusting to new coaches. And what will UConn and Syracuse be like when Calhoun and Boeheim hang it up? Chances are they'll struggle a bit as well. (Of course with Syracuse, that could still be 15 or 20 years away...)

Miami, Ohio is a prestigious school that has a storied history and plays good ball. However, as others have pointed out, Cincinnati's membership probably precludes Miami's.

The BE wants Cincinnati to become a major school in the football arena. In a FB rich state like Ohio, it is quite possible if they get a major share of the recruits. They're not going to out-recruit OH ST anytime soon, but the Buckeyes can't take all the talent. CIN's task is to get all the talent OH ST doesn't before the other 6 1a Ohio schools have their pick.

The recent Big 33 game indicates that this trend may have already started. According to the roster I saw, Ohio ST had 8 players (and another 3 who didn't play) and CIN had 8 players. Miami OH had 1 and Ohio had 2. If another Ohio school were added to the BE, CIN would have to share some of these recruits.

Jim

Does't Cinn have to compete with Mich , OSU & WV for recurits. I'm sure the rest of B-10 looks in Ohio as well. I have nothing against Cin, but I don't think thier has high in pecking order as Cin & B-E fans think

Miami is a very nice school, but is not in the mold of the current Big East Teams
Its not "The" large state school or the large urban market school.
It has little media coverage on tv or radio or print in the Cincy or Dayton markets. It is very difficult to get to, only two lane roads are the norm no highway access or airport access very bad in the winter especially for B-ball in the winter week nights etc. Atendance norma are 2500 to 5000. In football can be good but still just abrely over D1 min. No Reasearch 1 Designation. Its a very reputable Liberal Arts and Business College..Lacks The Law, Medicine, Engineering type majors etc. of the Big East schools. It gets attention locally when something great happens like Wally World on B-Ball or Big Ben in football but little in between. It is amazing what this University does accomplish. It is beautiful and well run. The problem is without Marshall visiting and giving them ESPN games the attention may dwindle. UC and Marshall are the big draws outside of a rare appearance by a BCS school playing in Oxford. The team they have had in the two years and the one coming up this year are exciting to watch. In my book they would be possible if we went to 12 but not a candidate for the ninth football team. Memphis and ECU would be ahead. UC would be against their inclusion just as UC oppsed XU in the B-Ball eaxpansion.

Bearcat T Wrote:It has little media coverage on tv or radio or print in the Cincy or Dayton markets.

As far as football goes, I'd venture to say that the Miami radio coverage in Cincy is as good or better than UC football coverage. They have a better, and longer pregame show on 1360 (although this is a low power station) and have affiliates in Cleveland, Columbus, Richmond (IN), and Findlay.

They have a one hour pregame show and a 30 minute postgame show - UC has about 15 minutes of pregame and the post game show consists of a 2 minute interview with the coach and maybe a couple of players after the game has just ended and they are running off the field.

UC deserves better and WLW could do it if they wanted to.

UC games are on 50,000 watt WLW and can be heard in over 30 states at some point in the day. UC coaches have weekly shows on TV and Radio both channel 19 and on WLW. 1360 is a decent outlet but its like being BCS and WLW and 1360 and in non BCS conference. UC also gets much more radio play during the weekly call in shows with Furman etc. The reason for the outlets for Miami is that 1360 cannot be heard there. To be honest Marshall or Toledo would have more market to bring than Miami.

The Miami talk is far more absurd and ridiculous than talk of expanding with any CUSA school including Tulane, Houston, UTEP, etc. Don't take this the wrong way but what don't some of you get about the words 'added value'?

My point about radio coverage was more disdain for the treatment UC football gets from it's own station.

I can't see any scenario that would add Miami (OH) to the Big East conference.

I don't think that the SEC wants to avoid playing CUSA per se. They want to avoid playing USM, UAB, and Memphis. Tenn has an interest in keeping Memphis down. Alabama and Auburn want to keep UAB down, Ole Miss and MSU wantt o keep souther miss down. By adding Memphis to BE, it might hurt chances of getting that bowl since the local SEC schools want to keep them from rising to football prominence. Thsoe schools would be Ole Miss, UT, and Mississippi State. Those schools love to troll Memphis for recruits.

Memphis already plays Tennesse,Miss St and Ole Miss. The major schools that are oppose to play from SEC are Ole Miss,Miss ST, Auburn and Alabama and they mainly do not want to play Southern Miss in the case of the Miss schools and UAB in the Alabama state schools

some of you guys are finnaly starting to catch on.

knight_01 Wrote:I don't think that the SEC wants to avoid playing CUSA per se. They want to avoid playing USM, UAB, and Memphis. Tenn has an interest in keeping Memphis down. Alabama and Auburn want to keep UAB down, Ole Miss and MSU wantt o keep souther miss down. By adding Memphis to BE, it might hurt chances of getting that bowl since the local SEC schools want to keep them from rising to football prominence. Thsoe schools would be Ole Miss, UT, and Mississippi State. Those schools love to troll Memphis for recruits.

Get your facts straight. Memphis and Tennesse have been playing for 30 years and the contract runs another 10 years. We've also played Mississippi and Mississippi State for more than 50 years.