(02-15-2012 04:36 PM)Huskie359 Wrote:  Bringing this thread back is kind of silly

Sometimes I feel like a nut...

I said 8-4 after that Defensive start.Glad to be wrong. Still amazed what these guys accomplished, coming from behind to win so many games and the D tightening up. BTW, the jury is in on DD, WINNER! WINNER! He gets the money.

There is no question that the 2011 Huskies were lucky and there is also no question that they had an incredible will to win and to capitalize on the many breaks that came their way.

Doeren did a great job with the team, he remained positive early in the year and he supported his defense early when they were not playing very well. He said that they would get better, that it ws the coaches job to make them better and they did.

It was nice to see things go our way and I will never forget how fun it was to watch the come back in Detroit. I am so glad that I attended that game, it is one that I will never forget.

(02-15-2012 09:50 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  There is no question that the 2011 Huskies were lucky and there is also no question that they had an incredible will to win and to capitalize on the many breaks that came their way.

Doeren did a great job with the team, he remained positive early in the year and he supported his defense early when they were not playing very well. He said that they would get better, that it ws the coaches job to make them better and they did.

It was nice to see things go our way and I will never forget how fun it was to watch the come back in Detroit. I am so glad that I attended that game, it is one that I will never forget.

You make a great point, there was a lot of luck but sometimes its hard to tell how much good teams make their own luck.

there you go again 7--rewriting history...I never said MD was better than Jake--I had trouble with Jake's attitude at times but never denied his talent...You, on the other hand actually said that MD was the worst college basketball player playing and you included DII and DIII and said high school players and maybe even 8th graders were better....this is the same MD that has started every game this year at Eastern Kentucky and is averaging double figures.

did it ever occur to you that he was doing the things that made the D better all along but it took 5 games for much of it to take? He didn't change what he was doing...as he was doing the right things...he developed the D and the players in such a way that THEY improved throughout the year. he did not become a better coach in 5 games--he just stuck with what he knew would work so maybe it took the kids and the program a few games to catch up to his game plan...

(02-15-2012 11:09 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  there you go again 7--rewriting history...I never said MD was better than Jake--I had trouble with Jake's attitude at times but never denied his talent...You, on the other hand actually said that MD was the worst college basketball player playing and you included DII and DIII and said high school players and maybe even 8th graders were better....this is the same MD that has started every game this year at Eastern Kentucky and is averaging double figures.

did it ever occur to you that he was doing the things that made the D better all along but it took 5 games for much of it to take? He didn't change what he was doing...as he was doing the right things...he developed the D and the players in such a way that THEY improved throughout the year. he did not become a better coach in 5 games--he just stuck with what he knew would work so maybe it took the kids and the program a few games to catch up to his game plan...

The MD hatred on here was like how people went crazy with anti-Tebow. Not sure why everyone disliked him so much but he could have averaged 25 pts and 15 assists a game and people would still hate him. I'll take a guy that gives 120% effort than a guy who goes at 60% any time, any day.

(02-15-2012 11:09 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  there you go again 7--rewriting history...I never said MD was better than Jake--I had trouble with Jake's attitude at times but never denied his talent...You, on the other hand actually said that MD was the worst college basketball player playing and you included DII and DIII and said high school players and maybe even 8th graders were better....this is the same MD that has started every game this year at Eastern Kentucky and is averaging double figures.

did it ever occur to you that he was doing the things that made the D better all along but it took 5 games for much of it to take? He didn't change what he was doing...as he was doing the right things...he developed the D and the players in such a way that THEY improved throughout the year. he did not become a better coach in 5 games--he just stuck with what he knew would work so maybe it took the kids and the program a few games to catch up to his game plan...

Seeing as how he made wholesale defensive personnel changes, he really didn't "stick to what he was doing."

And DiNunno sucks.

(02-15-2012 11:22 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 11:09 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  there you go again 7--rewriting history...I never said MD was better than Jake--I had trouble with Jake's attitude at times but never denied his talent...You, on the other hand actually said that MD was the worst college basketball player playing and you included DII and DIII and said high school players and maybe even 8th graders were better....this is the same MD that has started every game this year at Eastern Kentucky and is averaging double figures.

did it ever occur to you that he was doing the things that made the D better all along but it took 5 games for much of it to take? He didn't change what he was doing...as he was doing the right things...he developed the D and the players in such a way that THEY improved throughout the year. he did not become a better coach in 5 games--he just stuck with what he knew would work so maybe it took the kids and the program a few games to catch up to his game plan...

The MD hatred on here was like how people went crazy with anti-Tebow. Not sure why everyone disliked him so much but he could have averaged 25 pts and 15 assists a game and people would still hate him. I'll take a guy that gives 120% effort than a guy who goes at 60% any time, any day.

He shot 31% from 3 and 29% from 2 his last year here and he shot all the time. He was terrible.

(02-15-2012 11:42 PM)7 Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 11:09 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  there you go again 7--rewriting history...I never said MD was better than Jake--I had trouble with Jake's attitude at times but never denied his talent...You, on the other hand actually said that MD was the worst college basketball player playing and you included DII and DIII and said high school players and maybe even 8th graders were better....this is the same MD that has started every game this year at Eastern Kentucky and is averaging double figures.

did it ever occur to you that he was doing the things that made the D better all along but it took 5 games for much of it to take? He didn't change what he was doing...as he was doing the right things...he developed the D and the players in such a way that THEY improved throughout the year. he did not become a better coach in 5 games--he just stuck with what he knew would work so maybe it took the kids and the program a few games to catch up to his game plan...

Seeing as how he made wholesale defensive personnel changes, he really didn't "stick to what he was doing."

+1

DD put THREE new starters in the Defensive Backfield after the CMU game. That's when our defense really started to improve. I've been a supporter of DD since he was hired, but making Faustin, Durante and Ward starters ahead of Davis, Stone and Ware is what changed our defense. Don't forget; we gave up 5 TDs to CMU on plays of 36 yards or more.

(02-16-2012 12:26 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 11:42 PM)7 Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 11:09 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  there you go again 7--rewriting history...I never said MD was better than Jake--I had trouble with Jake's attitude at times but never denied his talent...You, on the other hand actually said that MD was the worst college basketball player playing and you included DII and DIII and said high school players and maybe even 8th graders were better....this is the same MD that has started every game this year at Eastern Kentucky and is averaging double figures.

did it ever occur to you that he was doing the things that made the D better all along but it took 5 games for much of it to take? He didn't change what he was doing...as he was doing the right things...he developed the D and the players in such a way that THEY improved throughout the year. he did not become a better coach in 5 games--he just stuck with what he knew would work so maybe it took the kids and the program a few games to catch up to his game plan...

Seeing as how he made wholesale defensive personnel changes, he really didn't "stick to what he was doing."

+1

DD put THREE new starters in the Defensive Backfield after the CMU game. That's when our defense really started to improve. I've been a supporter of DD since he was hired, but making Faustin, Durante and Ward starters ahead of Davis, Stone and Ware is what changed our defense. Don't forget; we gave up 5 TDs to CMU on plays of 36 yards or more.

Doeren did a FANTASTIC job of coaching up the defense this season as a whole, but to sit here and say he didn't change anything and "it took a few games for the players to catch on" is simply incorrect. He also took the redshirts off Meehan and Lewis, and put Santa in for JD on third downs. He did a fantastic job coaching this year, but he deserved some blame for the lackluster start.

Obviously we all loved the MAC Championship, but I still have concerns about how DD coaches games vs. BCS teams. The Wisconsin game he coached as if we lost before it started. Hopefully he improves on that in year two, and I have all the faith in the world he will.

(02-16-2012 12:32 AM)7 Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 12:26 AM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 11:42 PM)7 Wrote:  

(02-15-2012 11:09 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  there you go again 7--rewriting history...I never said MD was better than Jake--I had trouble with Jake's attitude at times but never denied his talent...You, on the other hand actually said that MD was the worst college basketball player playing and you included DII and DIII and said high school players and maybe even 8th graders were better....this is the same MD that has started every game this year at Eastern Kentucky and is averaging double figures.

did it ever occur to you that he was doing the things that made the D better all along but it took 5 games for much of it to take? He didn't change what he was doing...as he was doing the right things...he developed the D and the players in such a way that THEY improved throughout the year. he did not become a better coach in 5 games--he just stuck with what he knew would work so maybe it took the kids and the program a few games to catch up to his game plan...

Seeing as how he made wholesale defensive personnel changes, he really didn't "stick to what he was doing."

+1

DD put THREE new starters in the Defensive Backfield after the CMU game. That's when our defense really started to improve. I've been a supporter of DD since he was hired, but making Faustin, Durante and Ward starters ahead of Davis, Stone and Ware is what changed our defense. Don't forget; we gave up 5 TDs to CMU on plays of 36 yards or more.

Doeren did a FANTASTIC job of coaching up the defense this season as a whole, but to sit here and say he didn't change anything and "it took a few games for the players to catch on" is simply incorrect. He also took the redshirts off Meehan and Lewis, and put Santa in for JD on third downs. He did a fantastic job coaching this year, but he deserved some blame for the lackluster start.

Obviously we all loved the MAC Championship, but I still have concerns about how DD coaches games vs. BCS teams. The Wisconsin game he coached as if we lost before it started. Hopefully he improves on that in year two, and I have all the faith in the world he will.

I wholeheartedly share your concern with that statement. He never did really "ride the bus" in FBS as Compher would say with his first gig at KU. People come back and say, "we kicked an onside kick, he was going for it". In that pulse of that particular game I thought nothing could have been further from the truth, it was move that basically conceded defeat given the timing and circumstances. NIU closed its offensive playbook in that game which was baffling. It was probably the only time in the past decade I've felt we came to "collect a paycheck". It is consistent with other comments Doeren has made too regarding the division between BCS and non-BCS teams. The only problem taking that stance is usually coaches at schools like the MAC need that big win against a "power" conference to get promoted.

I was okay with the onsides kick. If it worked we all would have loved it, similar to Jerry's fake punt at Purdue. The play calling was just terrible though, particularly on offense.

Agreed with your point about his comments though. His coaching that game lined up with everything he's said about BCS teams since he got here.

(02-16-2012 01:24 AM)7 Wrote:  I was okay with the onsides kick. If it worked we all would have loved it, similar to Jerry's fake punt at Purdue. The play calling was just terrible though, particularly on offense.

Agreed with your point about his comments though. His coaching that game lined up with everything he's said about BCS teams since he got here.

If it worked you are right, we probably take a different view of it. But to me saying we were all in from that one onsides kick is like someone starting a workout routine , going to the health club for the first time, doing one pullup, and then going home saying they had a tough, hard workout.

The team (defense mainly) had a horrible stretch of three games (Kansas, CMU, and Wisky). It was a frustrating time for everyone and we believed the changes were too slow in coming. When it did, it really paid off.

Well I sure hope no one on the coaching staff is
losin any sleep over these postings.....
How about this, the TEAM got better
as the year went on. It could happen.

We were completely out of sync and looked rattled at the start of the Kansas game. We should have throttled them.

(02-16-2012 01:56 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  We were completely out of sync and looked rattled at the start of the Kansas game. We should have throttled them.

We were up 21-7, though. The game really did come down to the Moore play before the half. Should have been 28-14, and instead it was 21-21.

How about Chandler's numbers, though?

27-33, 315 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT
11 carries, 89 yards, 3 TDs.

I don't think you can play any better.

(02-16-2012 03:59 PM)7 Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 01:56 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  We were completely out of sync and looked rattled at the start of the Kansas game. We should have throttled them.

We were up 21-7, though. The game really did come down to the Moore play before the half. Should have been 28-14, and instead it was 21-21.

How about Chandler's numbers, though?

27-33, 315 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT
11 carries, 89 yards, 3 TDs.

I don't think you can play any better.

Funny how many calls like the Moore call went against the MAC team last year (Syracuse getting credit for a PAT that was wide left) that significantly affected the outcome of games. Othewise NIU beats Kansas and Toledo beats Syracuse.

i stand by all of my comments on this thread....The first 5 games of this season were horribly dissappointing in my book. But there was a marked and noticable change after the CMU loss.....different personel, different approach, different energy.

(02-16-2012 10:25 PM)onlinepole Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 03:59 PM)7 Wrote:  

(02-16-2012 01:56 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  We were completely out of sync and looked rattled at the start of the Kansas game. We should have throttled them.

We were up 21-7, though. The game really did come down to the Moore play before the half. Should have been 28-14, and instead it was 21-21.

How about Chandler's numbers, though?

27-33, 315 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT
11 carries, 89 yards, 3 TDs.

I don't think you can play any better.

Funny how many calls like the Moore call went against the MAC team last year (Syracuse getting credit for a PAT that was wide left) that significantly affected the outcome of games. Othewise NIU beats Kansas and Toledo beats Syracuse.

I cant imagine being a Toledo football fan last year, they had 2 non-conference games literally snatched away from them by officiating in Syracuse and Ohio State and then should have beaten NIU if not for some of the worst coaching I have seen in some time. Toledo could have had BCS bowl aspirations.