Missouri
Kansas
East Carolina
Central Florida
Kansas State
Baylor
Iowa State

(09-04-2011 10:49 PM)Orange Eagles Wrote:  Kansas is a ridiculously huge addition, it's crazy that some of you don't see that. Bringing in KU would be like bringing in UNC, Duke, or UCLA. Yeah, their basketball reputation means that much.

Any BCS school is a better choice than a non-BCS school, perception-wise. There's not an even a debate.

Really? You would want a school like ISU (great academics btw)... than UCF? or ECU? Both ECU and UCF already have a huge fan base. UCF is one of the largest schools in the country. Both schools are within reach of our footprint. ECU is a new market and UCF will shore up a Florida market.

If Big East is looking for 'added value' or new markets then we are looking at Iowa and a 2nd BCS team in Kansas?! Really?

Perception wise? Since when have we cared about perception? If that was the case then the BEast should've imploded years ago because everyone was saying we were doom to fail. Our perception will always be the conference that has a hybrid and it will split one day.

If Marinatto is smart.. he will take the school that will give us the most value in 5 years, in 10 years, in 15 years.

School that gives the Big East the most value in 5, 10 or 15 years? That is Kansas, without question. National following in basketball. Part of the Kansas City market. Very reputable academically. I am not interested in Iowa State or Baylor. Each is difficult to get to, has little or no national appeal and has nothing in common with other members of the Big East.

(09-04-2011 09:21 PM)SmallVoice Wrote:  What's everybody's order of preference as far as possible* Big 12 teams go?

Mine:
1. Kansas
2. Kansas State
3. Missouri
4. Iowa State
5. Baylor

I'm assuming the UT, TT, OU & OSU are going elsewhere. I ranked Mizzou 3rd because I trust them least. They'll never quit pimping themselves out to the B1G.

1. Missouri (best football school of the bunch)
2. Kansas (OK football sometimes, great basketball)
3. Kansas State (solid in both...poor TV market. Good fanbase)
4. Baylor (could get consistently solid in football with Briles)
5. Iowa State

I want Kansas and Maryland.

(09-04-2011 11:38 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  School that gives the Big East the most value in 5, 10 or 15 years? That is Kansas, without question. National following in basketball. Part of the Kansas City market. Very reputable academically. I am not interested in Iowa State or Baylor. Each is difficult to get to, has little or no national appeal and has nothing in common with other members of the Big East.

Agree with Kansas, but I like Baylor too--they're high achievers in the non-revenue stuff that does a lot for a conference's reputation, and apparently their facilities are excellent. And what is more Big East than a private school with religious affiliations? True, Baptists think Catholics are going to hell, but that's the sort of thing that can get worked out on the basketball court. (Or I could just be high on making the Baylor-TCU game a conference game.)

Iowa State has every reason to be worried. They are not a lock to get in the Big East. Depending on the fallout if the ACC gets raided even the other Big XII teams are not locks for the Big East either.
If the ACC gets raided by the SEC (possibly 1 or 3 teams) and some teams become available such as Maryland, Boston College and either or both of the Virginia or VT become available then they will be the selected before the Big XII teams (Baylor, Kansas, KSU, ISU or Missouri).

If I were Iowa State I would try and leave the Big XII right now and join the Big East because one of the other Big XII teams may take their spot.
Iowa State should probably look out for themselves as they could easily get stabbed in the back by their Big XII conference mates.
I think it is obvious to everybody that the Big XII is finished. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would not have said what they said if they were not planning on leaving as no team from a BCS conference will want to join the Big XII now.

(09-05-2011 01:22 AM)tj_2009 Wrote:  If I were Iowa State I would try and leave the Big XII right now and join the Big East because one of the other Big XII teams may take their spot.

It's an interesting theory. What would happen if Iowa State - perhaps the least secure school - did what Colorado did last year? I think Colorado was probably the last school the Pac 10 wanted, but they were the first to pull out and get the guaranteed slot in the new conference. I wonder if Iowa State might withdraw first this year and get an immediate invite to the Big East?

I'm not saying I'm in favor of it. But it's an interesting question anyway.

(09-04-2011 10:50 PM)General Mike Wrote:  Missouri
Kansas
East Carolina
Central Florida
Kansas State
Baylor
Iowa State

Agreed on those first three. If that's what we managed to bring in Mizzou, Kansas and East Carolina, I'd say we done good this round.

Big East - East: UConn, Syracuse, Rutgers, Pitt, WVU, ECU
Big East - West: Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida, TCU, Kansas, Mizzou

Not a bad football conference at all there.

Basketball I'd say 2 divisions of 10.
Big East - East: Providence, UConn, Syracuse, St. John's, Rutgers, Seton Hall, Villanova, Georgetown, Pitt, WVU
Big East - West: ECU, Louisville, Cincy, USF, TCU, Kansas, Mizzou, Notre Dame, DePaul, Marquette

Conference Network would be a national feed and three regional feeds.
BEN - Northeast: RU, UConn, Cuse, St. Johns, Seton Hall, Providence, Nova (NY DMA areas of NJ & PA, NY, CT, RI all at in-market rates; MA, VT, NH, ME at out of market rates)
BEN - Atlantic: Nova, RU, Pitt, WVU, Georgetown, ECU, USF (Philly DMA areas of NJ, PA, DC and DC DMA areas of MD and VA, NC, FL all at in-market rates; DE, non-DC DMA MD and VA, SC at out of market rates)
BEN - Central: Cincy, Louisville, ND, Marquette, DePaul, TCU, Mizzou, Kansas (OH, IN, KY, IL, WI, MO, KS, TX at varying in-market rates; OK, IA, AR at out of market rates)
BEN - National

(09-04-2011 11:05 PM)thatsnotgrass Wrote:  

(09-04-2011 10:49 PM)Orange Eagles Wrote:  Kansas is a ridiculously huge addition, it's crazy that some of you don't see that. Bringing in KU would be like bringing in UNC, Duke, or UCLA. Yeah, their basketball reputation means that much.

Any BCS school is a better choice than a non-BCS school, perception-wise. There's not an even a debate.

Really? You would want a school like ISU (great academics btw)... than UCF? or ECU? Both ECU and UCF already have a huge fan base. UCF is one of the largest schools in the country. Both schools are within reach of our footprint. ECU is a new market and UCF will shore up a Florida market.

If Big East is looking for 'added value' or new markets then we are looking at Iowa and a 2nd BCS team in Kansas?! Really?

Perception wise? Since when have we cared about perception? If that was the case then the BEast should've imploded years ago because everyone was saying we were doom to fail. Our perception will always be the conference that has a hybrid and it will split one day.

If Marinatto is smart.. he will take the school that will give us the most value in 5 years, in 10 years, in 15 years.

I do not think it makes sense for the Big East to stop at 12 football teams when now the other major conferences are growing to 16. That still has us playing catch-up.

We have 9 football schools right now including TCU.

The SEC is gonna take somebody else to go with A&M, and it could be as many as 3 more to go with A&M. If I had to guess, I would bet Missouri is team 14, unless they manage to get a B10 invite. But for arguments sake, let's say Missouri ends up in the SEC. Then for poops and giggles, let's say the SEC also grabs NC State and VT to get to 16.

We "know" the P16 will add Texas, TT, OK & OK State.

The Big 10 is rumored to have a woody for UNC, Duke, and UVA. Assuming they can somehow manage to convince them to leave the ACC (which will be next to impossible, but for arguments sake assume they do) I believe Notre Dame will finally cave and take the last spot in the B10. If they do not, then Maryland or Georgia Tech could fill the slot.

Now that puts the 3 strongest conferences at 16 teams each with the B12 being killed off in the process.

I have been vocal about my desire for the Big East to stay intact since I joined recently, but that may not be feasible. In order to continue the football schools may have their hand forced in a split and end up growing to 16 as well. The good news at this point is that there will be plenty of leftover B12 and ACC teams to pilfer that would more than make up for the loss of any of the basketball only schools. However, even with the potential for a split, I think there will be an association that remains between the Catholic schools and the football schools.

So who would be left from the B12:

Baylor
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State

Leftovers from the ACC:

Boston College
Maryland/UVA/GT (two of these three will be available, but which 2?)
Wake Forest
Clemson
Florida State
Miami

Potential attractive candidates from Non-AQs (geography notwithstanding):

UCF
Houston
Memphis
ECU
Air Force
Army
Navy
BYU
Boise State

So taking into account the 9 current BE FB schools, from the list of schools available I would go with:

Florida State - football and strengthen florida presence
Clemson - football and state of south carolina added to footprint
Boston College - Boston is a nice market to sell a network to
Georgia Tech - football and the Atlanta market
Maryland - Baltimore and D.C.
Kansas - Jayhawk basketball
Houston - strengthen presence in Texas and Houston TV market

I wouldn't touch Miami with a 10 feet pole right now.

Wake is a hanger on in the ACC and wouldn't be much of an addition.

Kansas State doesn't add anything new that Kansas won't give us, and we would be the ones making the decisions on who we want and Kansas won't pass up their chance to remain at the table just to die on the vine with Kansas State.

Iowa State is a school I kind of like, but this is about survival of the fittest.

Baylor is another small private school like Wake that typically isn't that strong in football.

The others will not be able to keep up but will most likely form a 5th 16 team conference featuring the best of the rest from the B12/ACC/CUSA/MWC/Indy ranks.

Geographic fit for the MAC for Iowa State. That might be their best option. Big fish in a small pond vs a small fish in a big pond in the Big East. MAC could give them easier path to the NCAA tournament and bowl games.

(09-04-2011 08:33 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Just as a BE fan, Iowa State does less for me than the C-USA schools.

I agree im taking ECU well before them. Baylor should be on equal footing as Iowa State, but they will probably be looked at differently since they are in Texas and considered to be another chance to play/recruit in Texas.

(09-04-2011 07:46 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  If I were Iowa State, I'd be worried, too. I'm not sure of any AQ conference who would take a stab at Iowa State other than the Big East.

Iowa State is in a tough spot...as they are located in a small tv market...in a small state...where they are clearly the #2 team in that small state (i.e. Iowa fans probably make up 80% or more of the state's population).

Iowa State has been the beneficiary of being an old school (founded in the 1850's), with an old football program (founded in the 1890's) and joined a football conf well before anyone could even conceive the idea of "TV Contracts" (i.e. Iowa State joined the Big 8 back in 1928).

This columnist from the paper in Cedar Rapids, Iowa summed it up quite perfectly:

But could Iowa State sell itself to the Big East? It’s not a football name-brand, it’s not a basketball icon like Kansas, and it’s in a small television market.

(09-04-2011 10:31 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  As much as it pains me to say it, UCF might be as good or better of an option than ISU.

If we do end up taking a school from CUSA, I'd much prefer ECU over UCF. I still like the idea of planting The BEast flag on Tobacco Road's doorstep...

(09-05-2011 07:16 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-04-2011 10:31 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  As much as it pains me to say it, UCF might be as good or better of an option than ISU.

If we do end up taking a school from CUSA, I'd much prefer ECU over UCF. I still like the idea of planting The BEast flag on Tobacco Road's doorstep...

If I can't have Memphis I'll take ECU. I've said that for almost 8 years now. I've made no secret that I would like to see Memphis basketball in The BIG East. Don't want UCF to hurt The BIG East's Florida base.
CJ

(09-05-2011 07:41 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(09-05-2011 07:16 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-04-2011 10:31 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  As much as it pains me to say it, UCF might be as good or better of an option than ISU.

If we do end up taking a school from CUSA, I'd much prefer ECU over UCF. I still like the idea of planting The BEast flag on Tobacco Road's doorstep...

If I can't have Memphis I'll take ECU. I've said that for almost 8 years now. I've made no secret that I would like to see Memphis basketball in The BIG East. Don't want UCF to hurt The BIG East's Florida base.
CJ

Wouldn't the opposite be true?

Adding ANOTHER TEAM in FLA would help expand your current small/tiny Big East Florida base?

PS. Its funny to read comments by some Big East fans that say adding Baylor with TCU will help expand their TX base...but that same scenario in FLA would only "hurt" their base.

I don't think UCF would hurt USF. The I-4 rivalry would be a great matchup with a good bit of interest...

But WVU has a good bit of history with ECU, and their location on Tobacco Road's doorstep is primo. I'd love to stick it to the ACC, and I think ECU would eventually surpass all the other Carolina schools in football. They aren't traditionally football schools, while ECU is. Also ECU would gain in basketball, since NC is a basketball state, and ECU in The BEast would draw interest from recruits...

(09-05-2011 07:44 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Wouldn't the opposite be true?

Adding ANOTHER TEAM in FLA would help expand your current small/tiny Big East Florida base?

PS. Its funny to read comments by some Big East fans that say adding Baylor with TCU will help expand their TX base...but that same scenario in FLA would only "hurt" their base.

Helping build another BCS power in Florida doesn't help The BIG East. Rutgers, WVU, Cincinnati and UofL all recruit along side USF in Florida. Even Syracuse draws players from The Sunshine State. That's a lot of presence in a state of 18,801,310.

Texas is a different situation. Texas has a population of 25,145,561. TCU will be the only BIG East outpost in The Lone Star State. Baylor would give us two programs in a state with nearly 7 million more people than Florida.

The bottom line is Baylor would truly open up new recruiting areas for The BIG East as it is in an area not presently recruited heavily by our schools.
CJ

(09-04-2011 09:58 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-04-2011 08:40 PM)omniorange Wrote:  I think MWC is ISU's best option. Do not see the Big East interested in them at all.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil, the following snippet from Brett McMurphy of cbssportsline.com says that the league was ready to invite 4 Big 12 schools including Iowa State last summer:

Last summer when it appeared the Big 12 would lose several teams to the Pac-10, the Big East was ready to take advantage. Sources told CBSSports.com that the Big East presidents had agreed to invite Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri and Iowa State as full members. A meeting was scheduled in Chicago to make the formal invitations with the four Big 12 schools prepared to make the jump.

Do you think the dynamics have changed now with the looming tv deal that the league could be a little choosier as to who they invite?

Yes. And of course, TCU is now actually in the league and not simply a target of the league. And the information I have received is that ISU was a huge stumbling block even last summer. Which tells me that even back then, the Big East was thinking TCU over ISU would be better. Now that they are in the league its a no-brainer.

Cheers,
Neil

(09-05-2011 07:58 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(09-05-2011 07:44 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Wouldn't the opposite be true?

Adding ANOTHER TEAM in FLA would help expand your current small/tiny Big East Florida base?

PS. Its funny to read comments by some Big East fans that say adding Baylor with TCU will help expand their TX base...but that same scenario in FLA would only "hurt" their base.

Texas is a different situation. Texas has a population of 25,145,561. TCU will be the only BIG East outpost in The Lone Star State. Baylor would give us two programs in a state with nearly 7 million more people than Florida.

And Florida's population, almost 19 Million people (4th largest in the USA) can't support 2 Big East teams?