Cut block <> chop block, and defenders certainly do not drop like flies against Army or Navy due to the legal cut blocking employed by the triple option.

As for Army doing nothing for C-USA during the time they were a member, one might want to check attendance figures for Army's visits to C-USA stadiums.

(04-06-2011 07:44 PM)bseer Wrote:  Several years ago the Baltimore Sun detailed the money that Navy brings in from football. Between the Notre Dame dollars every other year and the Army-Navy game every year joining a conference like the Big East would mean taking a pay cut for Navy.

And that was before they signed a deal to have all of their home games broadcast by CBS College Sports. Army and Navy get more for their one game against each other evey year, than any single team gets for the Big East (football) TV contract. They also keep all bowl revenue, and get paid handsomely to move big home games to neutral sites (I know the city of Baltimore paid a shitton to have them move the game there when I worked there). And since they will not be competing for a BCS bowl anyway, it doesn't do them much good.

(04-06-2011 09:19 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  C-USA should add either ODU, Troy or North Texas if Houston leaves.

Just think, Virginia Commonwealth was supposed to be in C-USA as a founding member, but they were booted in favor of adding Houston. Of course it would not have mattered, because you would have booted them in 2005 anyway.

(04-07-2011 09:22 AM)BeatNavy Wrote:  As for Army doing nothing for C-USA during the time they were a member, one might want to check attendance figures for Army's visits to C-USA stadiums.

My team was in C-USA then. It was a sellout either way. Granted, I suppose you are saying that some milatary installations came to visit, but in our case, Fort Knox solidiers always received unsold visiting team tickets to our games anyway, so it did not hcnage much.

In any event, I was referring to TV contracts. Army, which had been a fairly dead brand at the time (save for the Army/Navy game), and before the increased Patriotism in the years following 9/11, really added little monetarily to C-USA, and I cannot imagine it helped Army in any way, since it lead to them having horrendous records.

(04-07-2011 12:07 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(04-07-2011 09:22 AM)BeatNavy Wrote:  As for Army doing nothing for C-USA during the time they were a member, one might want to check attendance figures for Army's visits to C-USA stadiums.

My team was in C-USA then. It was a sellout either way. Granted, I suppose you are saying that some milatary installations came to visit, but in our case, Fort Knox solidiers always received unsold visiting team tickets to our games anyway, so it did not hcnage much.

In any event, I was referring to TV contracts. Army, which had been a fairly dead brand at the time (save for the Army/Navy game), and before the increased Patriotism in the years following 9/11, really added little monetarily to C-USA, and I cannot imagine it helped Army in any way, since it lead to them having horrendous records.

They aren't in bad times at the moment. A win over C-USA West champ SMU is something to hang your hat on. Independent teams winning bowl games is remarkable, in my eyes.

Navy and Army would still get paid a ton of money, the Big East's football contract is about to get upgraded big time and they would get paid a ton of money from our BCS money as well as a new monster TV contract while ESPN could hurt a competing network and gain Navy.

(04-07-2011 01:44 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  Navy and Army would still get paid a ton of money, the Big East's football contract is about to get upgraded big time and they would get paid a ton of money from our BCS money as well as a new monster TV contract while ESPN could hurt a competing network and gain Navy.

As a sports fan, I love ESPN but I just don't see them paying big bucks to the Big East.

I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it.

I believe the league will need another suitor to get a major increase in $$$ comparable to the ACC.

Cheers,
Neil

I am pretty sure if a graduate of a military academy can play a professional sport, they can pursue it and serve their military obligations in the reserves. That is what they did with David Robinson.

This is my gut feeling here...but I believe deeply that Army and Navy will be joining the Big East in football only memberships for the next TV contract.

1) Locations are perfect
2) Bring the level of institution the Big East is looking for
3) Football tradition and bring a national brand that is appealing to TV Networks (including the Army-Navy game) and appealing to BE institutions for ticket sales.
4) Football only does not disrupt the basketball schools and these two are clearly football only.
5) Adding both would give 12 and allow the BE to hold a CCG, which will further TV revenues even more.
6) Adding both can increase the BE Bowl affiliations.

I say, follow the money here, Army and Navy dont "have" to go into the BE, but it does provide all involved with increased revenues which makes it a no brainer.

I also believe Air Force and BYU are the most logical inclusions into the Big 12 eventually...that would bring all AQ leagues to 12, and leave ND out there as the lone Indy and finalize college football expansion as we know it.

Then CUSA and the MWC fight for inclusion as an AQ league or create an alliance to increase its guaranteed revenues.

(04-07-2011 11:04 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I am pretty sure if a graduate of a military academy can play a professional sport, they can pursue it and serve their military obligations in the reserves. That is what they did with David Robinson.

David Robinson was an abberation. The height limit for the Navy is 6'7", which is what Robinson was when he enrolled at Navy. But he grew 7 inches while at the academy. The Navy really didn't have a place for someone his size. But he did set a precident which could be used...

(04-07-2011 12:57 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  

(04-07-2011 12:07 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  and I cannot imagine it helped Army in any way, since it lead to them having horrendous records.

They aren't in bad times at the moment. A win over C-USA West champ SMU is something to hang your hat on. Independent teams winning bowl games is remarkable, in my eyes.

what I am referring to, is that when they were in C-USA, they had winless and one win teams.

(04-07-2011 11:04 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I am pretty sure if a graduate of a military academy can play a professional sport, they can pursue it and serve their military obligations in the reserves. That is what they did with David Robinson.

David Robinson still had to serve two years of service before he could play professional ball. And only because he was such a phenom, did it not affect his draft stock (monetary earnings potential). And even then, realistically, it still cost him between $20 - $30 million in lost salary.

David Robinson served 2 years of a 6 year obligation. He was allowed to leave regular service early, partly because of his NBA potential, and partly due to his sheer size, which made placing him upon any ship hazardous to his health. None of those hatchways are made for somebody his size...

(04-08-2011 01:12 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-07-2011 11:04 PM)Shannon Panther Wrote:  I am pretty sure if a graduate of a military academy can play a professional sport, they can pursue it and serve their military obligations in the reserves. That is what they did with David Robinson.

David Robinson was an abberation. The height limit for the Navy is 6'7"

Not any more.

And the height limit, like a great deal of other entry requirements (like 20/20 vision), can be waived.

(04-07-2011 12:07 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  My team was in C-USA then. It was a sellout either way.

You guys did not sell out all of your home games when Army was in C-USA, and Army's visits were the largest attended of your conference games (in the years when we visited UL).

Point taken re: tv contract, although it's certainly arguable that we brought in more far-flung viewers than any other C-USA school (except maybe Tulane).