Most experts expect that when/if Villanova accepts an invitation to become the 19th football member of the Big East that the Big East will probably be done expanding for the near future.

The next round of realignment could be triggered soon by the SEC. The SEC has long had its eyes on Texas A&M and they may consider a move over to get out of the long shadow of Texas. What if for the 14th school the SEC also brought over Florida State to dominate the gulf coast region.

Much has been made of UCF's rise in football and basketball. If Florida State did leave for the SEC, could it be that UCF would be the replacement for FSU over the head of South Florida? UCF develops into a BCS buster type program while South Florida lags in the BE.

With the Big East becoming the best basketball conference in recent years and with the upgrade in football, the ACC may not even have enough interest to pull anyone over from the Big East, less maybe USF. If the decision to replace FSU is limited to USF and UCF perhaps UCF gets the call?

UCF moves to the ACC and then down the road its ECU/UH to the Big East for 12.

The M-WAC takes back UTEP and adds Utah St for 12.

For CUSA they rebuild to 12 with UTSA/UNT and WKU/MTSU.

SBC adds TX St, La Tech, Appy St. The WAC is then finished as a football league. NMSU, Idaho, SJSU play on as independents.

Not going to happen.

First off I see no reason for a conference to expand past 12 in football. There is no financial gain by going to 14, since you already have a championship game. You could argue tv markets but in all honesty the SEC is probably one of the best contracts out there. If there is going to be a conference that becomes a super conference it will probably be a NonAQ trying to grab some attention.

Don't know why the SEC would go after the Big12 and only take one team. If I got A&M I would go after OU or OSU too. FSU to SEC seems like a waste of time for the SEC. The reason why the ACC hasn't done well is because FSU and UM has been a flop and neither team is dominant or played for a national championship for a long time. I don't think Miami is coming back with their current President there. Their AD was looking to book it out of there ASAP (not sure if he left or not) Plus I am sure the SEC doesn't have a problem getting ratings in Florida, UF does a pretty good job throughout the state.

UCF to ACC in general just wouldn't work. I am sure the ACC would look to try a break the Big East again before they dip down into the NonAQs. With FSU and UM there it is impossible for UCF or USF to even get mentioned. If UCF did become a BCS buster the Big East would invite us before anyone else. The 12 model is still pretty attractive.

Sure the ACC would not mind snagging UCONN, Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt or WVU if they felt the need to move to 14. Most of the Tobacco Road teams were not excited about the ACC going to 12 and the Championship game has not really worked out like they hoped. Not sure what the incentive would be for the ACC to move past 12 with their current TV Contract in place worth almost $1Billion and their other revenue sources. Definitely do not see a scenario of the ACC adding any team that is not already AQ BCS and does not bring significant revenue possibilities with them in Football and Basketball.

Now if we ever see the birth of 16 team mega Conference then all bets are off because the ACC would need to replace teams that they lost to the SEC

The SEC isn't going to expand. 12 makes them the maximum cash per team. Even if they did go to 14, FSU would not be high on their list. UF would do everything possible to prevent that. I would sooner see them adding North Carolina if they could pry them away from duke. I think they would even take Clemson before FSU. The ACC would not in any case take UCF or USF, They would likely go back for CUSE who is who they really wanted when they got stuck with VT. UCF is and likley will remain a member of CUSA for at least 3 to 5 more years.

(04-04-2011 05:52 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The SEC isn't going to expand. 12 makes them the maximum cash per team. Even if they did go to 14, FSU would not be high on their list. UF would do everything possible to prevent that. I would sooner see them adding North Carolina if they could pry them away from duke. I think they would even take Clemson before FSU. The ACC would not in any case take UCF or USF, They would likely go back for CUSE who is who they really wanted when they got stuck with VT. UCF is and likley will remain a member of CUSA for at least 3 to 5 more years.

Yeah, if the SEC were ever to expand...they would have to expand into a new market (at least one of the 2 new teams has to be from a new market...like a Texas A&M).

SEC won't add say a FSU and a Clemson...two areas already dominated by the SEC (Florida and South Carolina/Northeast Georgia), as TV networks probably won't offer up many new $$$$ for a move like that.

But say SEC moves in TEXAS (even if say Arkansas moves to the Big 12...and swaps spots with Texas A&M), TV Networks would offer new $$$$...even if an existing market added a 14th team...because TEXAS would be huge for the SEC.

The creation of threads like these are the reasons the Big East board is invite only.

Also, if Texas joined the SEC, nobody should think they ever have hope of winning the national championship ever again.

(04-04-2011 01:06 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Most experts expect that when/if Villanova accepts an invitation to become the 19th football member of the Big East that the Big East will probably be done expanding for the near future.

Wow the 19th football member?!? That is news to me. I haven't heard one expert say that. So who are members 10 through 18? So does that mean there will be 26 basketball teams in this conference?? Talk about a big conference!

(04-04-2011 01:06 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Most experts expect that when/if Villanova accepts an invitation to become the 19th football member of the Big East that the Big East will probably be done expanding for the near future.

The next round of realignment could be triggered soon by the SEC. The SEC has long had its eyes on Texas A&M and they may consider a move over to get out of the long shadow of Texas. What if for the 14th school the SEC also brought over Florida State to dominate the gulf coast region.

Much has been made of UCF's rise in football and basketball. If Florida State did leave for the SEC, could it be that UCF would be the replacement for FSU over the head of South Florida? UCF develops into a BCS buster type program while South Florida lags in the BE.

With the Big East becoming the best basketball conference in recent years and with the upgrade in football, the ACC may not even have enough interest to pull anyone over from the Big East, less maybe USF. If the decision to replace FSU is limited to USF and UCF perhaps UCF gets the call?

UCF moves to the ACC and then down the road its ECU/UH to the Big East for 12.

The M-WAC takes back UTEP and adds Utah St for 12.

For CUSA they rebuild to 12 with UTSA/UNT and WKU/MTSU.

SBC adds TX St, La Tech, Appy St. The WAC is then finished as a football league. NMSU, Idaho, SJSU play on as independents.

Was this a bad/sad attempt of a troll post?
I have the feeling the OP was trying to get a USF/UCF flame war started

Yeah, the OP doesn't even make sense as regards to UCF. How would UCF become a "BCS buster type program" if they joined the ACC? IF that happened they would already be in a BCS AQ league so they wouldn't ever be able to be a BCS buster program.

No offense to UCF...but WHY?

Even if Super conferences come to pass then why would they choose UCF when they can take a school with better academics, better athletics and A larger fan bases?

Why would they take you over prizes like Syracuse, Pittsburgh, UConn or Rutgers?

Even if they lost FSU and wanted another Florida team, why not grab USF to replace them instead? Why would UCF deserve to jump them when you have never played a down of AQ football and for all intents and purposes the same school with one letter difference in the middle?

Who needs "potential" when there are so many candidates available who have long since reached their potential?

I always figured that if the SEC expands with any ACC team...the ACC then would expand with a Big East school and then the Big East opens up yet another slot. UCF's chances at BCS still remain within the Big East.

UCF's only shot at the ACC would be if both Miami and FSU were moved out of the ACC and they wanted the Florida market, still. Then I'd think they'd invite both USF and UCF, at that point.

(04-04-2011 01:06 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Most experts expect that when/if Villanova accepts an invitation to become the 19th football member of the Big East that the Big East will probably be done expanding for the near future.

The next round of realignment could be triggered soon by the SEC. The SEC has long had its eyes on Texas A&M and they may consider a move over to get out of the long shadow of Texas. What if for the 14th school the SEC also brought over Florida State to dominate the gulf coast region.

Much has been made of UCF's rise in football and basketball. If Florida State did leave for the SEC, could it be that UCF would be the replacement for FSU over the head of South Florida? UCF develops into a BCS buster type program while South Florida lags in the BE.

With the Big East becoming the best basketball conference in recent years and with the upgrade in football, the ACC may not even have enough interest to pull anyone over from the Big East, less maybe USF. If the decision to replace FSU is limited to USF and UCF perhaps UCF gets the call?

UCF moves to the ACC and then down the road its ECU/UH to the Big East for 12.

The M-WAC takes back UTEP and adds Utah St for 12.

For CUSA they rebuild to 12 with UTSA/UNT and WKU/MTSU.

SBC adds TX St, La Tech, Appy St. The WAC is then finished as a football league. NMSU, Idaho, SJSU play on as independents.

I'll have what you're smoking

Nice analysis, and I'd much rather have UCF join the ACC or SEC over BE, but I think all Knight fans would agree that UCF should accept the first opportunity to move up, regardless of conference. The location is prime and the athletic program is on the rise; it's just a matter of time.

UCF does have potential to become a good school and not like a USF who has been in the dumps of the BE forever.. I cant believe BE took USF over TCU in the first place.

RE: UCF to ACC?

Not going to happen.

I'd see UCF to the ACC only if the ACC lost Miami. This would also require the ACC to pass over USF, which might not be a given.

UCF doesn't really fit the ACC mold academically, but there are plenty of worse options out there from that standpoint.

I dont see anything wrong with UCF.. Better then the school in Tampa ( not going to be called USF because they are not in Southern Florida)

(04-04-2011 05:45 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  I'd see UCF to the ACC only if the ACC lost Miami. This would also require the ACC to pass over USF, which might not be a given.

UCF doesn't really fit the ACC mold academically, but there are plenty of worse options out there from that standpoint.

My brother who lives in the Miami area tells me that academically, Florida International would be a better fit.