(03-07-2011 02:52 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(03-07-2011 02:49 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(03-07-2011 02:18 PM)animus Wrote:  My only problem is that there isn't any proof that Pitt is unhappy with the news. No direct quotes from Mark Nordenberg or Pederson. Not saying that Pitt is happy or unhappy with Nova coming up. To me this is a baseless article with no facts whatsoever other than Nova playing in an 18K stadium.

On NBCSports? There is obviously something there...it actually makes sense that Pitt would be the school to call them out...well, maybe not.

On second thought, Pitt used to play in a 20,000 on campus stadium that couldnt be expanded because of no room....sounds kind of familiar. So they share a facility with the Steelers, who control their market...sounds familiar.

Looks like Nova may have a Temple problem now. The State of PA isnt going to help.

Don't remember Pitt ever playing in a 20K seat stadium.

Welcome to the board Curtis...feel free checking out this out when you have a chance. http://ncaabbs.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=713

(03-07-2011 02:52 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(03-07-2011 02:49 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(03-07-2011 02:18 PM)animus Wrote:  My only problem is that there isn't any proof that Pitt is unhappy with the news. No direct quotes from Mark Nordenberg or Pederson. Not saying that Pitt is happy or unhappy with Nova coming up. To me this is a baseless article with no facts whatsoever other than Nova playing in an 18K stadium.

On NBCSports? There is obviously something there...it actually makes sense that Pitt would be the school to call them out...well, maybe not.

On second thought, Pitt used to play in a 20,000 on campus stadium that couldnt be expanded because of no room....sounds kind of familiar. So they share a facility with the Steelers, who control their market...sounds familiar.

Looks like Nova may have a Temple problem now. The State of PA isnt going to help.

Don't remember Pitt ever playing in a 20K seat stadium.

My bad, that was the attendance the day I saw ECU beat Pitt at Pitt Stadium the last time we played. But it was landlocked :-)

(03-07-2011 02:49 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  On second thought, Pitt used to play in a 20,000 56,500-seat on campus stadium that couldnt be expanded because of no room....

FIFY

http://football.ballparks.com/NCAA/BigEa.../index.htm

(03-07-2011 03:00 PM)animus Wrote:  

(03-07-2011 02:52 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  

(03-07-2011 02:49 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  

(03-07-2011 02:18 PM)animus Wrote:  My only problem is that there isn't any proof that Pitt is unhappy with the news. No direct quotes from Mark Nordenberg or Pederson. Not saying that Pitt is happy or unhappy with Nova coming up. To me this is a baseless article with no facts whatsoever other than Nova playing in an 18K stadium.

On NBCSports? There is obviously something there...it actually makes sense that Pitt would be the school to call them out...well, maybe not.

On second thought, Pitt used to play in a 20,000 on campus stadium that couldnt be expanded because of no room....sounds kind of familiar. So they share a facility with the Steelers, who control their market...sounds familiar.

Looks like Nova may have a Temple problem now. The State of PA isnt going to help.

Don't remember Pitt ever playing in a 20K seat stadium.

Welcome to the board Curtis...feel free checking out this out when you have a chance. http://ncaabbs.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=713

Been to a few games at the old Pitt Stadium. Saw Dan Marino play.

I don't buy this article at all. I think Pitt is very happy

(03-07-2011 03:43 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I don't buy this article at all. I think Pitt is very happy

I think they're happy enough. :muttering: If they wanted to make problems for Villanova moving up, they'd have made a prepared press statement. The notion that some people at Pitt don't like the idea is..... well get in line; Plenty of people think Nova moving up is a bad idea.

(03-07-2011 04:16 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-07-2011 03:43 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I don't buy this article at all. I think Pitt is very happy

I think they're happy enough. :muttering: If they wanted to make problems for Villanova moving up, they'd have made a prepared press statement. The notion that some people at Pitt don't like the idea is..... well get in line; Plenty of people think Nova moving up is a bad idea.

The idea that anyone from Pitt would actually make a statement AGAINST adding Nova is ridiculous, of course they aren't going to say this. Thats why I dont doubt a credible newsource (not the Orlando Sensational) when they report it, because they have some inside sources.

Every football program in the conference should DEMAND a stadium plan for the stadium that they will have to play in if Nova moves up. If you dont believe me, ask those in CUSA (many of them current BE schools) that allowed UAB to move up and play in Legion Stadium, while Bama and Auburn were busy pulling out because of the condition of the stadium. Ask Memphis, who's stadium issues contribute to the neglect of their program.

Let's see in Philly, here is the pecking order...
Pro Sports-all 4
Then Soccer
Then Temple football-MAC
Then Nova football-BE

Darn Skippy the BE football members should be questioning this plan. This isnt I-AA football, this is supposed to be AQ football and Nova better have plans to build a new 40,000 seat stadium that rivals Northwestern or UConn if they want to play. 5 million a year isnt going to cut it. Time to pay up or call the bank loan in...

Idaho plays home football games in the Kibbie Dome, which must be one of the most inadequate facilities at any D-I school, FBS or FCS. It seats 16,000 under a low roof and the thing looks like a 1920s aircraft hangar that someone bought at a military surplus sale.





So Idaho wanted to join the WAC, and the WAC said, well, your stadium sucks, and Idaho said, we could play our games at Washington State's stadium (which is less than 10 miles from Idaho's campus). But Idaho didn't promise to play there, and the WAC didn't make it a condition of joining, so guess what, Idaho's been in the WAC a long time now and they are still in the Kibbie Dome.

Same thing will happen with Villanova if they join. If the Big East doesn't make playing home games in a respectable 30,000-plus stadium a condition of membership, then Nova will just play football in the Chester soccer facility.

(03-07-2011 02:35 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(03-07-2011 12:37 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  you could try to see if you could outbid Temple for the Linc in 2017 if it is really that important to play in a BIG stadium.

We really need a stickied topic telling users that this cannot happen because of city and state politics...

Would you like to explain how this cannot happen? What..... do Philly politicians not like money? Temple is paying roughly $1 million a year for their lease at the Linc till 2017. The athletic program is losing around $10 million a year in state funds. If Nova came around in 2017 and doubled Temple's offer (since with BE money they should be getting around $15 million per year) and Temple could take over at a recently expanded 30k PPL Park.....why would Temple care. Temple is averaging what......around 20k per game? If Govenor Corbett really plans on cutting costs across the state.....could you not see Temple losing their football program altogether?

(03-07-2011 04:45 PM)Wedge Wrote:  .....But Idaho didn't promise to play there, and the WAC didn't make it a condition of joining, so guess what, Idaho's been in the WAC a long time now and they are still in the Kibbie Dome. ......

You make a good point. I'd hate to see Villanova playing in an 18,000 seat stadium forever. As you are saying, the BE should require a 40,000+ seat facility. Something worthy of the BE and eventually ACC expansion.

Also, the Kibbie Dome would make a great in door practice facility.

As an outsider, I always thought that part of the cost of Villanova moving up was:

1) building a new football stadium
2) expanding PPL Park to at least 30,000, or
3) renting an appropriate stadium with a capacity of at least 30,000

After all, just a decade ago the Big East booted a team from Philly with poor attendance. Now they are going to let a team from Philly join with an 18K seat stadium and no money budgeted to expand it?

Doesn't make sense to me. But then I'm an outsider.

(03-07-2011 05:36 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  As an outsider, I always thought that part of the cost of Villanova moving up was:

1) building a new football stadium
2) expanding PPL Park to at least 30,000, or
3) renting an appropriate stadium with a capacity of at least 30,000

After all, just a decade ago the Big East booted a team from Philly with poor attendance. Now they are going to let a team from Philly join with an 18K seat stadium and no money budgeted to expand it?

Doesn't make sense to me. But then I'm an outsider.

Villanova is ALREADY a member of the Big East. This is the point that everyone seems to gloss over - it's not the same as adding another all-sports school from the outside. Since they are a member of the Big East already, that means that if they want to move up, the BE has to take them. As a result, they're held to different standards than a school from C-USA. Villanova cannot be compared to schools that are not members of the BE today. I'm not saying it's a good idea, but it is what it is.

I know a school that with an AQ title in their name could bring 60,000 to their stadium. Gets high TV ratings. Gives the BE an untapped recruiting area with very good talent. A school that has only played 1 D1aa school in years and that D1aa school won the National championship the 3 previous straight years. :tomcat:

(03-07-2011 06:00 PM)whitey Wrote:  I know a school that with an AQ title in their name could bring 60,000 to their stadium. Gets high TV ratings. Gives the BE an untapped recruiting area with very good talent. A school that has only played 1 D1aa school in years and that D1aa school won the National championship the 3 previous straight years. :tomcat:

You talking about BYU

(03-07-2011 06:07 PM)animus Wrote:  

(03-07-2011 06:00 PM)whitey Wrote:  I know a school that with an AQ title in their name could bring 60,000 to their stadium. Gets high TV ratings. Gives the BE an untapped recruiting area with very good talent. A school that has only played 1 D1aa school in years and that D1aa school won the National championship the 3 previous straight years. :tomcat:

You talking about BYU

+1.

(03-07-2011 06:07 PM)animus Wrote:  

(03-07-2011 06:00 PM)whitey Wrote:  I know a school that with an AQ title in their name could bring 60,000 to their stadium. Gets high TV ratings. Gives the BE an untapped recruiting area with very good talent. A school that has only played 1 D1aa school in years and that D1aa school won the National championship the 3 previous straight years. :tomcat:

You talking about BYU

Nice!

(03-07-2011 05:36 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  As an outsider, I always thought that part of the cost of Villanova moving up was:

1) building a new football stadium
2) expanding PPL Park to at least 30,000, or
3) renting an appropriate stadium with a capacity of at least 30,000

After all, just a decade ago the Big East booted a team from Philly with poor attendance. Now they are going to let a team from Philly join with an 18K seat stadium and no money budgeted to expand it?

Doesn't make sense to me. But then I'm an outsider.

How do you "boot" a school that was never a member of the conference in the first place?

(03-07-2011 06:00 PM)whitey Wrote:  I know a school that with an AQ title in their name could bring 60,000 to their stadium. Gets high TV ratings. Gives the BE an untapped recruiting area with very good talent. A school that has only played 1 D1aa school in years and that D1aa school won the National championship the 3 previous straight years. :tomcat:

Untapped? Very good talent? What recruiting area would that be?

(03-07-2011 07:00 PM)Bill Marsh Wrote:  

(03-07-2011 06:00 PM)whitey Wrote:  I know a school that with an AQ title in their name could bring 60,000 to their stadium. Gets high TV ratings. Gives the BE an untapped recruiting area with very good talent. A school that has only played 1 D1aa school in years and that D1aa school won the National championship the 3 previous straight years. :tomcat:

Untapped? Very good talent? What recruiting area would that be?

The football hotbed of the eastern third of North Carolina, of course! Duh!

(03-07-2011 05:55 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  Villanova is ALREADY a member of the Big East. This is the point that everyone seems to gloss over. Since they are a member of the Big East already, that means that if they want to move up, the BE has to take them.

So Villanova has an unconditional reservation to join the Big East football conference whenever it wants, without regard to the school making a financial commitment to:

1) increase scholarships to 85
2) comply with the Title IX ramifications of #1
3) provide BCS level practice facilities to its football athletes
4) provide a BCS level stadium to its fans and visitors

I may be dumb, but I don't think that's how it works. In fact, I perceive the invitation to Nova to be: "fish or cut bait." The Big East is putting a time limit on Nova's option to move up in football. It's now or never.

And if the Big East can put a time limit on it, then the Big East can put conditions on Nova's acceptance.

Like playing in a suitable stadium.

Which goes back to my point. I always thought the cost of playing in a suitable stadium (whether that's building new or expanding PPL or renting) had to be part of Villanova's decision-making calculus of whether to move up.