http://www.nunesmagician.com/2011/1/27/1...-hates-ucf

The comments are pretty funny. Lots of Bull love there.

The comment section shows their are plenty of naive people in the world. Thankfully Big East institutions think differently I do know that. Trust me USF is a lot more important then UCF fans and those posters want to believe or UCF wouldn't have made the comments that they made, which sounds like they extremely nervous. In other words don't get giddy about the comment section of a blog. Some of the comments are amusing considering the supposed feelings of some of their schools on this matter which differs greatly from the people bashing USF.

One word in article is wrong. Hate = fears.

This isn't the first time usf's president tried to block UCF from getting something. She tried to block the new medical school, but ultimately failed. Considering a move by UCF would infuse money into the school and local economy(better visiting turnout), there could be political backlash within the state if usf stays on course without going on the record to support UCF. See Virginia for a good example.

(01-28-2011 07:12 AM)CatsClaw Wrote:  The comment section shows their are plenty of naive people in the world. Thankfully Big East institutions think differently I do know that. Trust me USF is a lot more important then UCF fans and those posters want to believe or UCF wouldn't have made the comments that they made, which sounds like they extremely nervous. In other words don't get giddy about the comment section of a blog. Some of the comments are amusing considering the supposed feelings of some of their schools on this matter which differs greatly from the people bashing USF.

Cat, I am well aware of how USF ( and others ) are blocking UCF and pushing for Houston.

It doesn't mean that the comments are any less funny.

(01-28-2011 09:07 AM)DawgPound Wrote:  This isn't the first time usf's president tried to block UCF from getting something. She tried to block the new medical school, but ultimately failed. Considering a move by UCF would infuse money into the school and local economy(better visiting turnout), there could be political backlash within the state if usf stays on course without going on the record to support UCF. See Virginia for a good example.

This kind of stuff has been going on for years in NC. Don't think USF will ever see any kind of backlash unless the Governor of Florida is a UCF grad and there are only two major schools in the state (on both see Virginia).

God with the medical school crap, get over it. The problem with it had nothing to with UCF, but the fact our state university system was stretched to the max financially (budget cuts were rampant, and although I don't follow it now I can only imagine things are worse because the economy hadn't imploded at that time).

State university systems in every other state stuff their coffers with one of two sources: high state funding, or high tuition. Some states have both, Florida has neither. In-state tuition is dirt cheap, throw in Bright Futures and other programs and they are sometimes giving away degrees. Sure, it's kind of good that people have opportunity, but it kills the resources the network has to work with. State funding will not increase because the active voter base are retired people without kids in college or school (see why pre-school to college is so bad down there?) so there is no incentive to make that tax sacrifice.

I think many people at the time were against UCFs medical school because of course it increases competition, but also why not invest that same money into improving existing programs, instead of spending additional money starting new ones, increasing overall cost of maintaining them? It really has nothing to do with wanting UCF to fail. Each member of the SUS serves vital communities in Florida and the overall health is important when it comes to ACADEMICS. See how UCFs new medical program outshines both UF and USF? Is that surprising, not at all. They just got the start-up funds and the others are working with less.

And before you suggest that more programs means more doctors and more qualified people in the market, the whole quantity thing happening in SUS is garbage. USF, UCF, UF are pumping out grads into a state market where there are no jobs, no growing industry unless you are replacing chinese dry wall, and everyone's BS and BAs are being devalued.

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Athletically, everyone needs to separate the fact from the fiction. Maybe there are other candidates that add more, can you imagine that? Larger markets, or better fanbases? Big East is moving to Texas, maybe they want to justify their move there and grab another team there. Big East was in FL long before USF so they don't need that additional push if they are actually doing anything more than just waiting for Nova despite what the commish says (OH FUNNY that he says they are not waiting on them because if the right situation comes along theyll make a move... wait, hasn't UCF come along by now?)

If Big East wants UCF, UCF will get an invite.

As for being afraid, don't worry. Make no mistake, USF will smash your football team's face in. They would this year. They would next year. They will in 2012 if you get invited. Ryne Giddens will break Godfrey in half, and I don't think Jose Jose will stop him.

(01-28-2011 09:40 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(01-28-2011 09:07 AM)DawgPound Wrote:  This isn't the first time usf's president tried to block UCF from getting something. She tried to block the new medical school, but ultimately failed. Considering a move by UCF would infuse money into the school and local economy(better visiting turnout), there could be political backlash within the state if usf stays on course without going on the record to support UCF. See Virginia for a good example.

This kind of stuff has been going on for years in NC. Don't think USF will ever see any kind of backlash unless the Governor of Florida is a UCF grad and there are only two major schools in the state (on both see Virginia).

Same here in Texas. Houston has been blocked by the whorns, and aggies for years. Its called State politics.

I really liked MrPlow99's comment on the USF's objections...

MrPlow99 Wrote:It’s probably just because UCF got their geography correct.

Now that's funny...

(01-28-2011 09:58 AM)billetingman1 Wrote:  

(01-28-2011 09:40 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(01-28-2011 09:07 AM)DawgPound Wrote:  This isn't the first time usf's president tried to block UCF from getting something. She tried to block the new medical school, but ultimately failed. Considering a move by UCF would infuse money into the school and local economy(better visiting turnout), there could be political backlash within the state if usf stays on course without going on the record to support UCF. See Virginia for a good example.

This kind of stuff has been going on for years in NC. Don't think USF will ever see any kind of backlash unless the Governor of Florida is a UCF grad and there are only two major schools in the state (on both see Virginia).

Same here in Texas. Houston has been blocked by the whorns, and aggies for years. Its called State politics.

There is a difference between conference expansion and adding a medical school, however. A medical school involves state funding...something that the state government has direct control over. Conference realignment involves other entities outside the state. For that matter, the only thing that the state government can do to USF is threaten to cut funding. And the Florida state government has no authority over the rest of the BE institutions. So USF has the ability to lobby the other member institutions behind the scenes, and they don't have to take the ultimate blame in the end if UCF isn't invited. They can easily pass along blame to the conference as a whole. There will be a lot of horse trading behind the scenes. Deliberations will be private and there is no need to release the actual votes to the public. And in the history of conference expansion, it is often the case that other conference members will respect the wishes of their conference mates not to add in-state schools. In fact, several conferences have de-facto agreements that they will not add in-state schools without the blessing of the school located in that state. I have heard it said that Georgia Tech, Clemson, and FSU will never be added to the SEC without the blessing of Georgia, South Carolina, and UF. That may not be the case in the Big East (I have no idea), but the conference presidents certainly have some respect for their other member schools.

UCF fans, don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying it's right. Believe me, coming from a school that has been dealing with in-state politics for years, I know it is frustrating. During the collapse of the SWC, Texas Tech was fortunate in that Bob Bullock (the Lt. Gov. at the time) brought financial pressure on UT and A&M to include Tech in the B12, but Houston (the only other public university in the SWC) did not get any support from the state. Instead, Baylor (a private institution) was included, also due to the influence of Bullock and Gov. Ann Richards. So we know how you guys feel about this issue. Politics is just an unfortunate reality of life sometimes.

(01-28-2011 09:49 AM)New York Bull Wrote:  I think many people at the time were against UCFs medical school because of course it increases competition, but also why not invest that same money into improving existing programs, instead of spending additional money starting new ones, increasing overall cost of maintaining them? It really has nothing to do with wanting UCF to fail. Each member of the SUS serves vital communities in Florida and the overall health is important when it comes to ACADEMICS. See how UCFs new medical program outshines both UF and USF? Is that surprising, not at all. They just got the start-up funds and the others are working with less.

And before you suggest that more programs means more doctors and more qualified people in the market, the whole quantity thing happening in SUS is garbage. USF, UCF, UF are pumping out grads into a state market where there are no jobs, no growing industry unless you are replacing chinese dry wall, and everyone's BS and BAs are being devalued.

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Actually, most political and business leaders in the State were FOR the UCF College of Medicine's approval and the planned "Medical City" (that basically hinged on if UCF's COM was approved or not) as the only ones vocal about the largest metro area in the USA without a Medical School...were those affiliated with UF, FSU and USF.

Fortunately, most of those in the State voted YES to put a COM in the largest city in the USA without one...and has already reaped the benefits from the booming medical city currently under construction...something that never would have happened if USF or UF or FSU added more slots to their medical schools.

UCF's COM was a very wise move for the state...one that obviously paid off for UCF...but more importantly, its already paying off for the city and state...

UCF's College of Medicine in the new Medical City at Lake Nona


Webcam from the huge new $665 Million VA Medical Center under construction in the new Medical City:

http://www.onsiteview.com/cams/view_remo...&index=548

Nemours Children's Hospital (one of the only free-standing pediatric hospitals being built in the country) opening in 2012 (outside shell construction almost finished), all built with PRIVATE $$$ (approx $260 Million)



Nemours Children's Hospital Webcam:
http://oxblue.com/pro/open/nemours/childrenshosp

New York Times recent feature article on UCF's COM and the New $2 Billion Medical City:

Orlando’s Newest Attraction Is Medical
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/08/reales....html?_r=1

Even most at FSU and UF now realize what a boom to the state's economy and advancing the state's own healthcare system that UCF's COM help launch was a very wise decision, yet that decision has boiled USF's Prez to her core...as this younger Univ down the road on I-4 continues to grow in leaps and bounds...even against her will and past fights...and she is trying to do it again.

I honestly think that Genshaft is spending her time trying to build USF, not tear down UCF.

I'm not sure if you were the one that pointed out that UCF's COM has benefits, and has even spurred growth at USF, and of course people feel different now that hindsight is 20/20. I just think that people need to keep the whole medical school issue in its proper context. It has nothing to do with this. Genshaft, USF, UF, and many many others didn't see the logic in building new vs. improving existing at a time budgets were being slashed.

And did anyone read Hoad's comment on UCF from McMurphy? Seems pretty clear cut to me that Bianchi and everyone is just running with message board rumors. Big East will do what Big East does. Deal with it. I don't think Genshaft is hacking the commish's computer so he can't go to ESPN.com

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I honestly think that Genshaft is spending her time trying to build USF, not tear down UCF.

I agree. Why doesnt she does come out and say UCF is a fine school that would fit nicely in the Big East. Mention some other expansion schools and that they would fit well. Whether she means it or not it would go away.

I think the only reason Houston name has popped up is solely b/c of USF

I'm glad you see that about Genshaft, but NO it f-cking wont go away..

It won't go away no matter what anyone says anywhere. UCF could get a ****** invite tomorrow, and Genshaft could be there at the podium talking about how she knows that together these two schools will make the Big East one of the strongest athletic conferences in that nation and STILL everyone half-wit blogger, forum patron, and guy with access to a radio mic will spin it as "In spite of resistance from USF, the holy grail UCF was added to the Big East" because that's how many people are perpetuating this myth that USF is holding them back.

Maybe there are other candidates. Maybe they just want Villanova. Like Commish said, they aren't waiting on them, but looking for right opportunity. Maybe after signing day? Maybe after April. Who knows? Too much time to speculate and twist words. Just because people think Judy should stop what she is doing and address something that is not her responsibilty or place to comment, doesn't mean she should. This is turning into a birthrighter thing.

Genshaft gave 3 mil to a coach she fired w/ cause, I don't think she's an angel

Well, the Big East now has a team in both Florida and Texas, so we need to add more states to the footprint. Adding East Carolina, Memphis and Missouri adds MO, TN and NC to the footprint.

(01-28-2011 12:41 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   Well, the Big East now has a team in both Florida and Texas, so we need to add more states to the footprint. Adding East Carolina, Memphis and Missouri adds MO, TN and NC to the footprint.

Well, if the BE is trying to emulate the rest of the BCS conferences then it will want 2 football schools in the same state as all of the other BCS conferences have in state rivalries.

Houston probably popped up because they are a huge public school in a football state, with a large population, major facility upgrades in progress or in works, and in a larger market. Also, as mentioned before, their addition would justify and increase the Big East presence in Texas. Big East had Miami before USF. Big East was not in Texas before SEC.

Be real that they offer just as much if not more to the league.