(01-28-2011 12:22 PM)New York Bull Wrote:  I'm glad you see that about Genshaft, but NO it f-cking wont go away..

It won't go away no matter what anyone says anywhere. UCF could get a ****** invite tomorrow, and Genshaft could be there at the podium talking about how she knows that together these two schools will make the Big East one of the strongest athletic conferences in that nation and STILL everyone half-wit blogger, forum patron, and guy with access to a radio mic will spin it as "In spite of resistance from USF, the holy grail UCF was added to the Big East" because that's how many people are perpetuating this myth that USF is holding them back.

Correct, the whole thing makes for a good story for the journalists to write about. Whether or not Genshaft is actually blocking us is really irrelevant to how the media is going to write about it. I personally don't care if USF is trying to block us. I hope that the rest of the BE wants us and if they don't then I can wait until the BE is forced to pick us up so that another conference doesn't get us.

(01-28-2011 11:47 AM)New York Bull Wrote:  I honestly think that Genshaft is spending her time trying to build USF, not tear down UCF.

I'm not sure if you were the one that pointed out that UCF's COM has benefits, and has even spurred growth at USF, and of course people feel different now that hindsight is 20/20. I just think that people need to keep the whole medical school issue in its proper context. It has nothing to do with this. Genshaft, USF, UF, and many many others didn't see the logic in building new vs. improving existing at a time budgets were being slashed.

yes...that was me...as you could say I a good business relationship with USF Health/COM at the time...as I stated early, USF Health/COM is much better today because of the competition from UCF than if UCF didn't earn the right to open a COM.

I disagree with your last statement...as all of them knew of the benefits to not only the city of Orlando & UCF but also to the State...but they wanted for purely selfish reasons to not have to deal with competition in future years.

(01-28-2011 12:49 PM)New York Bull Wrote:  Houston probably popped up because they are a huge public school in a football state, with a large population, major facility upgrades in progress or in works, and in a larger market. Also, as mentioned before, their addition would justify and increase the Big East presence in Texas.

Not to mention that Oliver Luck, as well as a few other people within The BEast have business ties in Houston. I'm sure that had something to do with Houston being mentioned as well...

(01-28-2011 12:41 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   Well, the Big East now has a team in both Florida and Texas, so we need to add more states to the footprint. Adding East Carolina, Memphis and Missouri adds MO, TN and NC to the footprint.

I agree but if you think Memphis would give a TN footprint you are VERY wrong. Im am saying this as a resident of TN.
If you have ever seen a Memphis/UT game in Memphis on the TV or Live you would easily find that 85% or more of the crowed are UT fans. This is a reason why Vandy struggles so much even in the SEC, in TN you can not be a fan of a "Instate" school other than UT.

After saying this there are ALOT of WVU fans in East Tenn.

Personally BE needs to wait because expansion mess will happen and no one is a "good get" at the moment.

ECU has been good, large fan base, 4 other D1 AQ programs in that st

Huston: Market + more solidifies Texas footprint

UCF: Market, VERY bad record vs AQ teams bad tradition just good market


With Expansion mess

WHO KNOWS? Mizzu, KU and or other who has not been mentioned might come up and probably will

BE needs to wait

Heist makes waist and Patience is Golden lets wait to grab a bigger fish!!!

UCF: Market, VERY bad record vs AQ teams bad tradition just good market

I get the bad record and tradition comment. However, UCF is a different school since the addition of the athletic village, arena, and on campus stadium. Judge us for what's going on there now. Check out our recruiting its at a different level and going in the right direction. Being on campus is also helping out with traditions.

I go with Killer Frogs. They always had the good stuff before they were picked up and word there is waiting out on Mizzou and the Kansases

UCF is getting in so this will all be moot.

(01-28-2011 03:04 PM)New York Bull Wrote:  I go with Killer Frogs. They always had the good stuff before they were picked up and word there is waiting out on Mizzou and the Kansases

That is what people are getting from BE comish's words recently when he told ESPN "If the right team comes into play we(BE) will not wait for Nova"

I as do many believe if UCF was the "right team" or any other cusa team then the invitation would have already been made.

List they do not want to leave B12 because they do how much $$ BE will get

SO why over a year early is the BE talking with ESPN/CBS? Out of this the BB estimates (just for Baskeball) is about 7 a team. Then there is Comcast/ Fox wants to Bid for the BE and they will raise the price as high as they can as they do not have and AQ contract not to mention the Best basketball conference who many believe will have 11 teams in the NCAA's this year.

I think BE wanted to get estimates on how much and what if this school and that school were in. So they have a something to offer.

(01-28-2011 05:33 PM)Cromie Wrote:  I as do many believe if UCF was the "right team" or any other cusa team then the invitation would have already been made.

I agree, because the BE has always been know for working very quickly and being aggressive especially in regards to expansion.

By June we'll have our answer.

it took 2 months to invite TCU did it not?

(01-28-2011 07:00 PM)Cromie Wrote:  it took 2 months to invite TCU did it not?

2 months... from what they told the media. TCU has had success for the last 10 years. You could have said, "if TCU were going to get invited they would have been after they went undefeated in the regular season in 2009." TCU is the first time they have expanded beyond 8 members in their 30 year history. They don't move too quickly.

Yes," but the times, they are changing, and the answer is blowing in the wind!"

All I have to say is USF is the least of UCF's problems, and a few clueless bloggers and the opinions of message boarders aren't going to change that.

(01-31-2011 04:37 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  All I have to say is USF is the least of UCF's problems, and a few clueless bloggers and the opinions of message boarders aren't going to change that.

What exactly are you implying? What are UCF's problems as related to expansion?

(01-31-2011 06:12 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(01-31-2011 04:37 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  All I have to say is USF is the least of UCF's problems, and a few clueless bloggers and the opinions of message boarders aren't going to change that.

What exactly are yopu implying? What are UCF's problems as related to expansion?

1-6 in conference play may not be a problem, but it ain't helping.

UCF being 1-6 in CUSA play sure ain't helping any...

Football...lets focus on football. haha

(02-01-2011 01:48 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Football...lets focus on football. haha

UCF being 1-6 in conference isn't even a blip on a screen of expansion qualifications.
A schools record in one season is not goin to qualify or disqualify them for a potential lifetime in a conference.
This will be decided on candidate value in relation to $ generated by TV, and future TV and bowl $ projections. With a minor look at potential scheduling issues.
If an addition of a school and it's market increases the total $ per school now and potentially in the future it will happen. Plain and simple.
There is a law of diminishing returns the more teams you add. Every team past 10 has to bring an even larger share to meet the additional split. Anyhing past 12 almost HAS to be a top 15 program and Market, to make it work in the current state of conferences. The only way to financially justify going past 12 is to reduce the number of conferences acrosss the board by adding teams to each. Then the networks can split the money over fewer conferences, but more teams.

(02-01-2011 02:09 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  

(02-01-2011 01:48 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Football...lets focus on football. haha

UCF being 1-6 in conference isn't even a blip on a screen of expansion qualifications.
A schools record in one season is not goin to qualify or disqualify them for a potential lifetime in a conference.
This will be decided on candidate value in relation to $ generated by TV, and future TV and bowl $ projections. With a minor look at potential scheduling issues.
If an addition of a school and it's market increases the total $ per school now and potentially in the future it will happen. Plain and simple.
There is a law of diminishing returns the more teams you add. Every team past 10 has to bring an even larger share to meet the additional split. Anyhing past 12 almost HAS to be a top 15 program and Market, to make it work in the current state of conferences. The only way to financially justify going past 12 is to reduce the number of conferences acrosss the board by adding teams to each. Then the networks can split the money over fewer conferences, but more teams.

I agree with this. However, I'm curious why you say top 15 market? I'm sure it's just coincidence that Houston falls within this number, and little ole Orlando falls JUST outside at 19. Yeah, coincidence. That's gotta be it. LOL

(02-01-2011 02:24 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(02-01-2011 02:09 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  

(02-01-2011 01:48 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Football...lets focus on football. haha

UCF being 1-6 in conference isn't even a blip on a screen of expansion qualifications.
A schools record in one season is not goin to qualify or disqualify them for a potential lifetime in a conference.
This will be decided on candidate value in relation to $ generated by TV, and future TV and bowl $ projections. With a minor look at potential scheduling issues.
If an addition of a school and it's market increases the total $ per school now and potentially in the future it will happen. Plain and simple.
There is a law of diminishing returns the more teams you add. Every team past 10 has to bring an even larger share to meet the additional split. Anyhing past 12 almost HAS to be a top 15 program and Market, to make it work in the current state of conferences. The only way to financially justify going past 12 is to reduce the number of conferences acrosss the board by adding teams to each. Then the networks can split the money over fewer conferences, but more teams.

I agree with this. However, I'm curious why you say top 15 market? I'm sure it's just coincidence that Houston falls within this number, and little ole Orlando falls JUST outside at 19. Yeah, coincidence. That's gotta be it. LOL

Honestly I did not even think about it like that. I believe if the BE goes to 12 UCF and UH will be in. The Top 15 statement was meant to be if the conference were to go past 12.