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The public image for Kent State's most visible program continues to deteriorate.

(12-20-2010 08:06 AM)burden Wrote:  Your right there. At the very least there was some underage drinking going on which is very Singletary like. That's worth at least 2-3 games.

That's a good point I never realized that! What was applebees doing serving him drinks if he's 20?

I'm shocked (shocked!) that a 20 year-old college student would be drinking alcohol! And, that a local establishment would fail to properly obey the law! And, that a 20 year-old college student may have sexual relations! Seriously, folks, let's see how this all plays out. That's all we can do at this point. I'm confident that Geno Ford and AD Nielsen will do what is best for all concerned after it all plays out.

I'm just saying since it was made public something should happen to them too.

Oh, I agree anti-zip. I'm sure Applebee's will be looked at.

Also, let's none of us forget the case of Joshua Cribbs. He really was guilty of a fairly serious crime. Whether that crime should be so serious or even a crime is beside the matter. May I ask, is there anyone out there now who thinks that Cribbs should have been kicked off the team? I sure don't.

(12-20-2010 10:52 AM)Kent 76 Wrote:  Oh, I agree anti-zip. I'm sure Applebee's will be looked at.

Also, let's none of us forget the case of Joshua Cribbs. He really was guilty of a fairly serious crime. Whether that crime should be so serious or even a crime is beside the matter. May I ask, is there anyone out there now who thinks that Cribbs should have been kicked off the team? I sure don't.

No, I didn’t think Cribbs should have been kicked off the team then and I don’t now.

I also don’t see a remote connection between the circumstances of the two situations, other than both were KSU athletes at the time.

My only point on the underaged drinking is that even if the other charges are dropped the University and the basketball team will have to suspend him 2-3 games just as an example. As most of us know he won't be the first kid to drink before he is 21 and won't be the last. I was just pointing out that he is doomed to miss a few games just for that.

Flashfan, they were both KSU athletes and were both charged with felonies. Those are the connections. Of course, Guyton is presumed innocent, while Cribbs ultimately plead guilty. My only point is that even IF Guyton did something illegal, I don't agree with those who say that he should automatically be kicked out. If such a "zero tolerance" stance would have been taken with Cribbs, it would have been a bad move.

I will not speculate on what did or did not happen, but I can say it sounds like Mr. Guyton put himself in a bad situation. During the season has a basketball player it sounds like he put himself in a bad situation. Was he one of players involved in the fight before the season?

As others have said, it's important to let the legal process play out. That said, this is the second stupid public event for members of the basketball team, and we haven't even made it to conference play yet. Good times.

(12-19-2010 11:24 PM)2thaker8 Wrote:  The thing that make me the most skeptical is that they had an entire night together. They went to dinner and had drinks and then had more at her apartment. They clearly knew each other, even if just enough for them to make plans together (maybe it was a date?), but it wasn't just some random person. We certainly can't and shouldn't make any judgment on either of them without more fact but my first impression is that they went out together, she clearly had a nice enough time with him to invite him back to her place, and since he didn't have a car she was (probably) driving him around that night. She could have dropped him off at home if she wasn't enjoying her time with him.

Again, this could end up going either way. And no matter what he made poor choices (sex with a passed out or nearly passed out girl is a bad idea no matter what your story is). But my guess is that it's not as bad as the initial report makes it seem.

I really hope this is a gut reaction because one of our team's better players is on the hook here. If you believe some of what you wrote, you need to educate yourself. Sexual assault is a serious charge, and it routinely happens between people who know each other and often between people who have previously been intimate with each other.

As for the Cribbs comparisons, the felony Cribbs was charged with was a technicality, and it was lowered to a misdemeanor for good reason. It was a felony based on the packaging, not the amount or the intent. As for the domestic dispute, it was an argument between a married couple and police let cooler heads prevail. In a lot of programs, Cribbs would have missed spring practice, and that would have been the end of it.

As for Guyton's future, there is enough smoke here that the suspension had to happen. As for how long, I am assuming he is done for the year and think the team should proceed as such, and then be happy if things are cleared up and he returns sooner.

Funny in that domestic dispute, if I remember correctly, Cribbs wife "beat" him up but he was taken away for it.

(12-21-2010 03:20 PM)KStud Wrote:  

(12-19-2010 11:24 PM)2thaker8 Wrote:  The thing that make me the most skeptical is that they had an entire night together. They went to dinner and had drinks and then had more at her apartment. They clearly knew each other, even if just enough for them to make plans together (maybe it was a date?), but it wasn't just some random person. We certainly can't and shouldn't make any judgment on either of them without more fact but my first impression is that they went out together, she clearly had a nice enough time with him to invite him back to her place, and since he didn't have a car she was (probably) driving him around that night. She could have dropped him off at home if she wasn't enjoying her time with him.

Again, this could end up going either way. And no matter what he made poor choices (sex with a passed out or nearly passed out girl is a bad idea no matter what your story is). But my guess is that it's not as bad as the initial report makes it seem.

I really hope this is a gut reaction because one of our team's better players is on the hook here. If you believe some of what you wrote, you need to educate yourself. Sexual assault is a serious charge, and it routinely happens between people who know each other and often between people who have previously been intimate with each other.

What do you feel is uneducated about what I said? I absolutely agree that sexual assault is a very very serious charge and I am fully aware that it can happen between people who know each other. Nothing about what I said disputes that. I said that it could turn out either way and if an investigation finds that these allegations are true he should not be allowed on the team because that is inexcusable. But I never said he was innocent or she was lying or anything like that. The story just sounds shaky to me. He messed up big time no matter what. All I mean is that there are two completely different stories and we have very few facts and in these situations people tend to side with the woman. I'm not saying side with Guyton, I'm just saying the truth could very well be somewhere between their stories and considering he (supposedly) has no record of doing anything wrong it's not fair to jump on him about it.

Just like this can happen with people who know each other there are plenty of examples of allegations like these being untrue and the woman made the claims for whatever reason. I'm not saying that is the case this time but it is just as possible as the alternative and considering you have as many (almost zero) facts as I do I'd appreciate it if you didn't tell me to educate myself when you know nothing about me.

Rape stories are rarely, if ever, clearly told and without questionable parts. There's a good amount of literature out there if anyone is curious; many rape victims cannot remember everything about the incident.

That said, I hope it's not true because someone's life is ruined if it is.

And perhaps if it's not. Sexual assault charges are almost always lose/lose, no matter how it goes.

That's true.

This is big this guy has a 40+ % in both 3 points and overall shot... if suspended is a great loss....I just don't get these kids anymore, or maybe I should say where are the perents....what are they teaching this kids at home.....

Tomorrow should be a good day for this young man.

DC is reporting charges dropped and reinstatement for the OU game. What a bad place to have to come back. They will be on him from pregame on...

Thank goodness. Now let's get this season back on track.

I'm wondering: do people hear feel Kent handled this correctly? Based on the seriousness of the accusation of sexual assault, I believe that Kent did the right thing, but I wonder how others feel.

Also, now that this is over, did I ever tell the story about the time I stole a car with my father-in-law? We borrowed a car to take his father back to the nursing home (an uncle, we were otherwise blocked in) after a holiday party. Well, we were more concerned with getting the grandfather back in safely and after we were done, we came out and got into the car and left. The only thing was that the key was difficult to turn in the ignition. Well, like 2 hours later when the uncle went to leave the party, he asked where his car was. We had taken the wrong car. My father-in-law and uncle immediately began to drive the car back to the nursing home and about half-way there, they realized they were driving in a car which could have reported as stolen. And, sure enough, when they got there, the police were also there. That said, no harm, no foul and the police just laughed the whole thing off along with the victim.

My parents are fond of pointing out that I never stole cars before I got involved with my wife's family.