That's true, crazed. But you must remember, Syracuse is playing this game at home, where they haven't played very well. I'd have more faith in the Orange if the game were @ UConn and it was homecoming...

(11-15-2010 07:42 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  Wait, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a SU win over UCONN knock WVU out of the title race? The best WVU could do would be tie with Syracuse at 2 losses, and SU beat WVU head to head. Is that not correct?

If WVU and Syracuse were to win out and Pitt were to stumble only to WVU, wouldn't WVU, Syracuse and Pitt all be 1-1 against each other and all 3 finish 5-2 in conference?

I wouldn't rule WVU out of the title race with a Syracuse win just yet...

USFFan

(11-15-2010 07:42 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  Wait, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a SU win over UCONN knock WVU out of the title race? The best WVU could do would be tie with Syracuse at 2 losses, and SU beat WVU head to head. Is that not correct?

No, it does not knock them out, if they are in a 3 way tie with another team they have defeated. Then it goes to a mini conference or highest BCS average.

Louisville will play Kentucky in the Birmingham Bowl..I hope. 80,000 football fans from the state of Kentucky would impress the college football world.

gotcha... so if SU wins, WVU has to hope for a 3-way tie. If it's only WVU and SU, then SU holds the tiebreaker.

If it ends up in the 3 way tie, I figure WVU will win the bid. The Mountaineers have the toughest road remaining, and that will probably decide things...

(11-15-2010 05:58 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-15-2010 04:36 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(11-15-2010 03:35 PM)TerryD Wrote:  I am hearing of interest by ESPN in attempting to match ND and Texas (assuming ND beats Army and Texas beats Florida Atlantic and A&M) in the Pinstripe Bowl.

I don't know if this is feasible and if it is more than internet chatter, though.

ND cannot take the place of A BE team in the PinStripe Bowl, But they can take the place of a Big 12 team. I specifically remember that clause when this bowl first came into being. They can only take the place of a Big 12 team if the Big 12 doesnt have enough bowl eligible teams such that it couldn't go at 6-6 unless no one else was 7-5.

ND could also theoretically take the BE's spot if there isn't a BE bowl-eligible team available, too. It's just that ND would have to be taken as an at-large subject to general bowl rules as opposed to a contracted back-up. That means that if the Big 12 can't fill the slot, then the Pinstripe Bowl can take ND as the contracted back-up for that spot at a 6-6 record even though there might be 7 win teams from other conferences. In contrast, if the BE can't fill the slot, then a 6-6 ND could only be taken if there aren't any 7-5 schools available to take that spot.

Yes, that's my understanding as well: If the Big 12 can't fill the slot, then the first dib goes to Notre Dame as long as it is eligible even at 6-6. But if the Big East can't fill its slot, then Notre Dame is in the general hopper with all other non-attached bowl-eligible teams (so couldn't go at 6-6 unless there were no eligible 7-5s out there).

Which i've wondered about, because why wouldn't the PSB want ND to fill either the B12 or Big East slot if either can't fill theirs?

(11-15-2010 08:47 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  If it ends up in the 3 way tie, I figure WVU will win the bid. The Mountaineers have the toughest road remaining, and that will probably decide things...

By my reckoning, USF is in a relatively unfavorable tiebreaker position, because it seems like all the teams we beat are already below us in the standings, whereas teams we've lost to, Syracuse and WVU, are equal to us in the loss column. I don't know the intricacies of the TB system, but that doesn't sound good to me.

Guess all we can do is win out and hope for the best ...

(11-15-2010 06:47 PM)snowycuse Wrote:  I am rooting for Syracuse and Texas in the Pinstripe Bowl.

Texas might be a longshot. First, they'll need to beat A&M in order to be bowl eligible, which certainly isn't a guarantee. Second, even if UT does manage to become bowl eligible, I can't imagine them slipping beyond the Texas Bowl (which has Big 12 #6).

there was talk of ND backing up the B12.
Not sure if there was ever a signed agreement though.
Important because otherwise they couldn't take it if a 7-5 is out there.
Weren't discussed to backup BE because its BE4 and BE has had at least 6 eligible every season.

(11-16-2010 06:18 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  there was talk of ND backing up the B12.
Not sure if there was ever a signed agreement though.
Important because otherwise they couldn't take it if a 7-5 is out there.
Weren't discussed to backup BE because its BE4 and BE has had at least 6 eligible every season.

I think this discussion about Notre Dame playing in the PSB is academic at this point, since the Big 12 does have 7 bowl-eligible teams already (Kansas State is 6-4 with an FCS win, but under NCAA rules they can count that win this year). So there will be a Big 12 team in New York.

Thus, the only way ND can play in the pinstripe bowl is if (a) the Big East doesn't fill its quota and (b) ND is 6-6 and there are no other 7-5 team out there (since if ND is 7-5, Champs will take them).

And either of those is very unlikely at this point (Big East currently has 3 bowl eligible teams, so if just one more makes the cut than we fill the slot too).

(11-15-2010 08:04 PM)cardshouse Wrote:  Louisville will play Kentucky in the Birmingham Bowl..I hope. 80,000 football fans from the state of Kentucky would impress the college football world.

Expecting 80K to watch a rematch in the Birmingham Bowl is quite a stretch.

(11-15-2010 11:49 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-15-2010 06:47 PM)snowycuse Wrote:  I am rooting for Syracuse and Texas in the Pinstripe Bowl.

Texas might be a longshot. First, they'll need to beat A&M in order to be bowl eligible, which certainly isn't a guarantee. Second, even if UT does manage to become bowl eligible, I can't imagine them slipping beyond the Texas Bowl (which has Big 12 #6).

They are a very much a long shot now as it is most likely going to be Kansas State or Texas Tech at this point.

Anyone know where you can get full BCS rankings since this is the tie-breaker for the Big East BCS bid and no Big East team is in the actual 1-25 rankings. Syracuse has been leading in the polls for weeks now so I wanted to see, as this becomes a reality, how many voters begin to change their votes to get Pitt or WVU in the BCS game in the event of a multi-team tie.

Note that the Big 12 doesn't limit who a bowl can select. They have a selection order, but don't guarantee that Team A has to be selected before Team B based on record. That's why Missouri was pissed when they went to the Texas Bowl at 8-4 when Iowa St. and Texas A&M (both 6-6) were selected to better paying bowl games last year. In 2009, the Texas Bowl was 8th in the Big 12 bowl order, behind the Insight and Independence bowl games.

(11-16-2010 10:18 AM)snowycuse Wrote:  Anyone know where you can get full BCS rankings since this is the tie-breaker for the Big East BCS bid and no Big East team is in the actual 1-25 rankings. Syracuse has been leading in the polls for weeks now so I wanted to see, as this becomes a reality, how many voters begin to change their votes to get Pitt or WVU in the BCS game in the event of a multi-team tie.

BCS Guru has the expanded rankings. Currently, Syracuse is #37 (.0056), WVU is #39 (.0026). Uconn and USF are tied at #46, which is as far down as the standings go, and both are at .0001. And it's simply astonishing that in mid-November, our conference leader, Pitt, is not bowl eligible and has no BCS points or ranking at all.

http://www.bcsguru.com/bcs_standings.htm

And fwiw, i don't think you have to worry about any vote-switching to get any particular Big East team in. I think the voters in both polls hold us all in equally low regard and will just vote on the perceived merits.

If WVU wins out, they'll be ranked. Syracuse probably would be as well. USF and UConn, I don't know...

(11-16-2010 12:05 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  If WVU wins out, they'll be ranked....USF .... I don't know...

I'm not sure why. USF and WVU are both 6-3 right now, and looking at the remaining schedules, we both play Pitt, WVU plays Rutgers and UofL while we play Uconn and Miami.

Between them, Miami is the only "big name" or ranked team on either schedule, so USF is likely to get a lot more boost out of winning that game than WVU will get from winning any of theirs ...

(11-16-2010 12:05 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  If WVU wins out, they'll be ranked. Syracuse probably would be as well. USF and UConn, I don't know...

If USF and WVU win out, USF will be ranked higher due to a win over a top 25 Miami. USF would get a huge boost, if they won this game. WVU doesn't have any marquee games left.

I had forgotten about the Bulls game with Miami when I wrote that, quo. You may have noticed that already from a post in another thread, where I gave the Bulls credit for that game...

I'm old, and have a randomly selective memory due to numerous knocks on the noggin. Shoot me...

(11-16-2010 02:05 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I had forgotten about the Bulls game with Miami when I wrote that, quo. You may have noticed that already from a post in another thread, where I gave the Bulls credit for that game...

I'm old, and have a randomly selective memory due to numerous knocks on the noggin. Shoot me...

Nope, hadn't noticed the other thread. In any event, hopefully we'll both win out so we'll get to see who is ranked higher.