GCD you start with the millions from TV revenue. Then you factor in a full house for every home conference game w/ raised ticket prices. Increased donor revenue due to interest in the program, etc..
I still think there is zero chance we get in the Big 12, but if it's the budget that's your problem, you need better accountants.
(06-09-2010 04:32 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote: GCD you start with the millions from TV revenue. Then you factor in a full house for every home conference game w/ raised ticket prices. Increased donor revenue due to interest in the program, etc..
I still think there is zero chance we get in the Big 12, but if it's the budget that's your problem, you need better accountants.
Except none of that occurs until after you are in a major conference, and I don't think a "full house every conference home game" is a guarantee; many BCS schools don't have full houses every weekend. The budgets in the early years won't be anywhere close to the existing BCS schools because NIU won't have:
a) the full stream of money yet in Year 1 (and oftentimes you don't get the full revenue share for 2-3 years, so there's a gap to bridge there) and
b) won't have the piles of cash built up from those revenues over a number of years.
The issue isn't that NIU's budget wouldn't increase significantly (it would), it's that it would probably take a number of years for it to reach current BCS levels. NIU would have to show the Big XII that they could actually produce more revenue for the conference than they would take through rev sharing, and NIU's budget probably wouldn't be there with their current facilities and infrastructure.
The conference isn't going to wait a number of years for NIU to catch up (which it eventually would). I think Brian pointed it out best, there is probably an intermediate step between the MAC and BCS conference that would need to happen; not necessarily leave the conference, but build a program like Boise or TCU have ended up and create significant value in the football program (which, along with money, is the driving force in all of this expansion talk).
(This post was last modified: 06-09-2010 05:32 PM by UIHuskie.)
I think we would have much bigger crowds, at least initially, if we FINALLY had Big-12 teams play in our stadium. Which might help until the larger revenues help our financial situation. Unfortunately, we'd need to greatly expand the stadium to even remotely fit the Big-12. We'd have to do that first to even have a shot, and since right now we can't come close to filling our stadium (although it's usually against no-name teams) that's pretty unlikely.
Any such suggestion begs the question: Are some fans outside the world of reality when comparing NIU's budget and facilities compared to the B12 bottom feeders surviving at the lowest end of the arm$ race?
It's almost laughable.
(This post was last modified: 06-09-2010 09:58 PM by cyberdawg.)
UI, obviously it wouldn't be in year one. But you could easily sell bonds, or get things financed over the next 10 years if you prove you have the television contract in hand.
NIU has no chance regardless, so it's not really worth talking about, but the idea they couldn't get funding is silly. Just read what instigator said about South Florida. Has no one taken a finance class? Take a look outside the box. You put the right people in place to make things happen, the financing would not be the problem, even in this economy.
Our total operating expenses last year were 23 million. Iowa State spent 45 million. The conference gave them 10 million, ours gave us 1 million. So that's half of the gap right there. They received 2.5 million from TV, we received basically zero ($12,000). That's 2.5 million more. Is it really hard for you all to believe we couldn't get another 10 million from donors, ticket sales, corporate sponsorships, a soldier field game vs. Texas or Oklahoma, if we were a part of a BCS conference? TCU doubled their spending from 20 to 40 million the last 5 years and they didn't even join a BCS conference.
Again, no one is saying NIU would have to be Texas to join a BCS conference, they just need to match the bottom. Financially that wouldn't be a problem.
If tomorrow the Big 12 offers NIU a spot, you could be sure that NIU would give them a 5 year plan that includes closing the south end of the stadium, press boxes and an IPF. And with the guarantee of television revenue, they could get the financing for it. You add in the corporate sponsors, the increased donors, increased attendance, etc..
They'd never offer NIU a spot, but it's not because of finances.
(This post was last modified: 06-10-2010 08:15 AM by HuskieFan84.)
(06-10-2010 08:03 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote: UI, obviously it wouldn't be in year one. But you could easily sell bonds, or get things financed over the next 10 years if you prove you have the television contract in hand.
NIU has no chance regardless, so it's not really worth talking about, but the idea they couldn't get funding is silly. Just read what instigator said about South Florida. Has no one taken a finance class? Take a look outside the box. You put the right people in place to make things happen, the financing would not be the problem, even in this economy.
Our total operating expenses last year were 23 million. Iowa State spent 45 million. The conference gave them 10 million, ours gave us 1 million. So that's half of the gap right there. They received 2.5 million from TV, we received basically zero ($12,000). That's 2.5 million more. Is it really hard for you all to believe we couldn't get another 10 million from donors, ticket sales, corporate sponsorships, a soldier field game vs. Texas or Oklahoma, if we were a part of a BCS conference? TCU doubled their spending from 20 to 40 million the last 5 years and they didn't even join a BCS conference.
Again, no one is saying NIU would have to be Texas to join a BCS conference, they just need to match the bottom. Financially that wouldn't be a problem.
If tomorrow the Big 12 offers NIU a spot, you could be sure that NIU would give them a 5 year plan that includes closing the south end of the stadium, press boxes and an IPF. And with the guarantee of television revenue, they could get the financing for it. You add in the corporate sponsors, the increased donors, increased attendance, etc..
They'd never offer NIU a spot, but it's not because of finances.
Best post on this topic. Financial reasons would not stop a new formed B12 offer to join ISU, KU, KSU etc. It would be that they do not want to add a directional school that does not really bring in the Chicago TV market to their cause. Meaning NIU would benfeit much more (financially) than the teams in the membership would, and nobody is looking to do charity work these days.
(06-10-2010 08:03 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote: UI, obviously it wouldn't be in year one. But you could easily sell bonds, or get things financed over the next 10 years if you prove you have the television contract in hand.
NIU has no chance regardless, so it's not really worth talking about, but the idea they couldn't get funding is silly. Just read what instigator said about South Florida. Has no one taken a finance class? Take a look outside the box. You put the right people in place to make things happen, the financing would not be the problem, even in this economy.
Our total operating expenses last year were 23 million. Iowa State spent 45 million. The conference gave them 10 million, ours gave us 1 million. So that's half of the gap right there. They received 2.5 million from TV, we received basically zero ($12,000). That's 2.5 million more. Is it really hard for you all to believe we couldn't get another 10 million from donors, ticket sales, corporate sponsorships, a soldier field game vs. Texas or Oklahoma, if we were a part of a BCS conference? TCU doubled their spending from 20 to 40 million the last 5 years and they didn't even join a BCS conference.
Again, no one is saying NIU would have to be Texas to join a BCS conference, they just need to match the bottom. Financially that wouldn't be a problem.
If tomorrow the Big 12 offers NIU a spot, you could be sure that NIU would give them a 5 year plan that includes closing the south end of the stadium, press boxes and an IPF. And with the guarantee of television revenue, they could get the financing for it. You add in the corporate sponsors, the increased donors, increased attendance, etc..
They'd never offer NIU a spot, but it's not because of finances.
Best post on this topic. Financial reasons would not stop a new formed B12 offer to join ISU, KU, KSU etc. It would be that they do not want to add a directional school that does not really bring in the Chicago TV market to their cause. Meaning NIU would benfeit much more (financially) than the teams in the membership would, and nobody is looking to do charity work these days.
If NIU PLAYED good teams they would bring in the Chicago market.
I know numerous NIU alum who have never gone back to a single game who are very well off. They say why go and watch NIU play terrible teams in the MAC. Everyone of them I asked said they would get engaged with NIU if they were in a good conference.
Like it or not this is the way things are for most Alumni from NIU. NIU wasn't there first choice and they are not proud of it because it is considered a second class school.
(06-10-2010 08:03 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote: UI, obviously it wouldn't be in year one. But you could easily sell bonds, or get things financed over the next 10 years if you prove you have the television contract in hand.
NIU has no chance regardless, so it's not really worth talking about, but the idea they couldn't get funding is silly. Just read what instigator said about South Florida. Has no one taken a finance class? Take a look outside the box. You put the right people in place to make things happen, the financing would not be the problem, even in this economy.
Our total operating expenses last year were 23 million. Iowa State spent 45 million. The conference gave them 10 million, ours gave us 1 million. So that's half of the gap right there. They received 2.5 million from TV, we received basically zero ($12,000). That's 2.5 million more. Is it really hard for you all to believe we couldn't get another 10 million from donors, ticket sales, corporate sponsorships, a soldier field game vs. Texas or Oklahoma, if we were a part of a BCS conference? TCU doubled their spending from 20 to 40 million the last 5 years and they didn't even join a BCS conference.
Again, no one is saying NIU would have to be Texas to join a BCS conference, they just need to match the bottom. Financially that wouldn't be a problem.
If tomorrow the Big 12 offers NIU a spot, you could be sure that NIU would give them a 5 year plan that includes closing the south end of the stadium, press boxes and an IPF. And with the guarantee of television revenue, they could get the financing for it. You add in the corporate sponsors, the increased donors, increased attendance, etc..
They'd never offer NIU a spot, but it's not because of finances.
Best post on this topic. Financial reasons would not stop a new formed B12 offer to join ISU, KU, KSU etc. It would be that they do not want to add a directional school that does not really bring in the Chicago TV market to their cause. Meaning NIU would benfeit much more (financially) than the teams in the membership would, and nobody is looking to do charity work these days.
If NIU PLAYED good teams they would bring in the Chicago market.
I know numerous NIU alum who have never gone back to a single game who are very well off. They say why go and watch NIU play terrible teams in the MAC. Everyone of them I asked said they would get engaged with NIU if they were in a good conference.
Like it or not this is the way things are for most Alumni from NIU. NIU wasn't there first choice and they are not proud of it because it is considered a second class school.
Would they go if NIU was still in the MAC but got good teams to play at Huskie stadium for their non-conference games?
(06-10-2010 08:03 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote: UI, obviously it wouldn't be in year one. But you could easily sell bonds, or get things financed over the next 10 years if you prove you have the television contract in hand.
NIU has no chance regardless, so it's not really worth talking about, but the idea they couldn't get funding is silly. Just read what instigator said about South Florida. Has no one taken a finance class? Take a look outside the box. You put the right people in place to make things happen, the financing would not be the problem, even in this economy.
Our total operating expenses last year were 23 million. Iowa State spent 45 million. The conference gave them 10 million, ours gave us 1 million. So that's half of the gap right there. They received 2.5 million from TV, we received basically zero ($12,000). That's 2.5 million more. Is it really hard for you all to believe we couldn't get another 10 million from donors, ticket sales, corporate sponsorships, a soldier field game vs. Texas or Oklahoma, if we were a part of a BCS conference? TCU doubled their spending from 20 to 40 million the last 5 years and they didn't even join a BCS conference.
Again, no one is saying NIU would have to be Texas to join a BCS conference, they just need to match the bottom. Financially that wouldn't be a problem.
If tomorrow the Big 12 offers NIU a spot, you could be sure that NIU would give them a 5 year plan that includes closing the south end of the stadium, press boxes and an IPF. And with the guarantee of television revenue, they could get the financing for it. You add in the corporate sponsors, the increased donors, increased attendance, etc..
They'd never offer NIU a spot, but it's not because of finances.
Best post on this topic. Financial reasons would not stop a new formed B12 offer to join ISU, KU, KSU etc. It would be that they do not want to add a directional school that does not really bring in the Chicago TV market to their cause. Meaning NIU would benfeit much more (financially) than the teams in the membership would, and nobody is looking to do charity work these days.
If NIU PLAYED good teams they would bring in the Chicago market.
I know numerous NIU alum who have never gone back to a single game who are very well off. They say why go and watch NIU play terrible teams in the MAC. Everyone of them I asked said they would get engaged with NIU if they were in a good conference.
Like it or not this is the way things are for most Alumni from NIU. NIU wasn't there first choice and they are not proud of it because it is considered a second class school.
Would they go if NIU was still in the MAC but got good teams to play at Huskie stadium for their non-conference games?
IMO, this would certainly help, but joining a more prestigious conference would be the answer. Even if we win the MACC and go to the Little Caesar's (or similar) bowl, the excitement would be there, but not as much as if we were joining a better conference. The MAC gets very little to no respect and has really done nothing to earn it.
(06-10-2010 08:03 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote: UI, obviously it wouldn't be in year one. But you could easily sell bonds, or get things financed over the next 10 years if you prove you have the television contract in hand.
NIU has no chance regardless, so it's not really worth talking about, but the idea they couldn't get funding is silly. Just read what instigator said about South Florida. Has no one taken a finance class? Take a look outside the box. You put the right people in place to make things happen, the financing would not be the problem, even in this economy.
Our total operating expenses last year were 23 million. Iowa State spent 45 million. The conference gave them 10 million, ours gave us 1 million. So that's half of the gap right there. They received 2.5 million from TV, we received basically zero ($12,000). That's 2.5 million more. Is it really hard for you all to believe we couldn't get another 10 million from donors, ticket sales, corporate sponsorships, a soldier field game vs. Texas or Oklahoma, if we were a part of a BCS conference? TCU doubled their spending from 20 to 40 million the last 5 years and they didn't even join a BCS conference.
Again, no one is saying NIU would have to be Texas to join a BCS conference, they just need to match the bottom. Financially that wouldn't be a problem.
If tomorrow the Big 12 offers NIU a spot, you could be sure that NIU would give them a 5 year plan that includes closing the south end of the stadium, press boxes and an IPF. And with the guarantee of television revenue, they could get the financing for it. You add in the corporate sponsors, the increased donors, increased attendance, etc..
They'd never offer NIU a spot, but it's not because of finances.
Best post on this topic. Financial reasons would not stop a new formed B12 offer to join ISU, KU, KSU etc. It would be that they do not want to add a directional school that does not really bring in the Chicago TV market to their cause. Meaning NIU would benfeit much more (financially) than the teams in the membership would, and nobody is looking to do charity work these days.
If NIU PLAYED good teams they would bring in the Chicago market.
I know numerous NIU alum who have never gone back to a single game who are very well off. They say why go and watch NIU play terrible teams in the MAC. Everyone of them I asked said they would get engaged with NIU if they were in a good conference.
Like it or not this is the way things are for most Alumni from NIU. NIU wasn't there first choice and they are not proud of it because it is considered a second class school.
Would they go if NIU was still in the MAC but got good teams to play at Huskie stadium for their non-conference games?
IMO, this would certainly help, but joining a more prestigious conference would be the answer. Even if we win the MACC and go to the Little Caesar's (or similar) bowl, the excitement would be there, but not as much as if we were joining a better conference. The MAC gets very little to no respect and has really done nothing to earn it.
Well, you can earn respect nationally by beating the BCS teams when you do play them, and that's a lot easier to do on your home turf, in front of a packed stadium of supporters. Witness our close losses to Iowa State and Maryland a year after beating them at home. And it would be easier to get the medium or lower level BCS teams to Huskie stadium than to get an invite to a more prestigious conference. I just don't see that happening. We'd have to win first.
I hear Toledo is gonna receive a bid from the Big10, Big12, and Big East. One of them is going to have to sweeten the pot to land Toledo. After all, they are head and shoulders above the rest of the MAC (according to their fans)
(This post was last modified: 06-11-2010 02:35 PM by HuskiemobileMan.)
(06-11-2010 02:35 PM)HuskiemobileMan Wrote: I hear Toledo is gonna receive a bid from the Big10, Big12, and Big East. One of them is going to have to sweeten the pot to land Toledo. After all, they are head and shoulders above the rest of the MAC (according to their fans)
That might change the bowl game they've already been invited to for this year too!
(06-11-2010 02:35 PM)HuskiemobileMan Wrote: I hear Toledo is gonna receive a bid from the Big10, Big12, and Big East. One of them is going to have to sweeten the pot to land Toledo. After all, they are head and shoulders above the rest of the MAC (according to their fans)
That might change the bowl game they've already been invited to for this year too!
Nah...they are already a lock for the new Toledo Bowl to be held on the island of Put-in-Bay in beautiful Lake Erie. The game will pit Toledo against close-by rival, Eastern Michigan.
I also heard a rumor that officials of the Chick-Fil-A Bowl have been pining for Toledo for a couple years now. They will get an automatic invite if they can just make 6-6 this year.
(06-11-2010 02:35 PM)HuskiemobileMan Wrote: I hear Toledo is gonna receive a bid from the Big10, Big12, and Big East. One of them is going to have to sweeten the pot to land Toledo. After all, they are head and shoulders above the rest of the MAC (according to their fans)
Just curious which Toledo fans have actually said they are better than the rest of the MAC? Sure we're confident we can beat NIU often, and nearly everytime we play at the Glass Bowl, but.........
As for a Toledo bowl, did you know there was once a Glass Bowl game played in Toledo? It last for three years and Toledo won 2 of the 3 bowl games.
Now I think this conversation is in the probably not going to happen ever category. But Just looking at facilities, we have things on par with Iowa State (with the exception of football).
We have a new b-ball arena (that can seat 10000+) new is a relative term
We have a nice track & field complex (brand new)
New soccer complex (brand new)
Our strength and conditioning center is brand new (but small)
The golf course we use is a top rated golf course in the nation
Facilities needing immediate improvement to join the big 12
Baseball
Football
Hypothetical Scenario:
If the big-12 wanted the Chicago market, they would loan money to NIU (along with NIU issuing bonds) to revamp their football stadium to increase seating capacity to 50,000-60,000.
NIU would need a sweetheart deal to play at soldier field 2x a year for 2 years until stadium expansion is completed (Games versus Texas & Oklahoma) which now because they are part of the conference, NIU gets to keep the gate revenues for themselves
It could happen if they wanted Chicago market enough, remember football is all about TV contracts these days. If the big 12 network (which I believe they are rolling out now with the new deal) can get the Chicago market, its not the number of people who are watching, but the number of people who have that as part of their TV package. Adding NIU and having them play Texas and Oklahoma will not only put people's butts in the seats, but may also have them getting the big12 network in their house which leads to much more $$$ than the games themselves.
The day that NIU is asked to join the Big 12 (or any other BCS conference) is the day I lose 200 pounds and grow a full head of hair and a 12 inch....... Hey, I can dream, too, can't I??
I've tried to tell people our facilities aren't that far behind ISU, and with the TV revenue from a big conference catching up to the bottom teams wouldn't be hard. I just don't think we have the prestige to attract a bigger conference. Finances aren't an issue.
I've also assumed that if we did join the Big12 in a dream world scenario, we'd play Texas / Oklahoma at home once every few seasons. We'd have one game per year at Soldier Field (whichever team we play between those two), which would benefit both teams until our stadium expansion is done.
Shame we just don't have the support from the state, or have donors like a Utah does to get the ball rolling. If we had the right people in charge the last 10 or 15 years, the Chicago market along with the facilities we could have in place, would be enough to draw a fair amount of interest. Unfortunately we just haven't got the job done, and now I think it's safe to say it's probably too late in the game to do so. Just too many people involved with NIU who have the DogFan mentality, who willingly accept that NIU is not worthy of better things. It's that lack of vision and creativity that set NIU so far behind that is just disappointing as a fan.
Look at a UCF or Southern Florida, TCU, ECU, Utah or Boise State, to think it could not have been done here is ridiculous with our market, Soldier Field, the Score, the early 2000's success. It's just unfortunate NIU has failed to make the right moves over and over.
(06-11-2010 02:35 PM)HuskiemobileMan Wrote: I hear Toledo is gonna receive a bid from the Big10, Big12, and Big East. One of them is going to have to sweeten the pot to land Toledo. After all, they are head and shoulders above the rest of the MAC (according to their fans)
Toledo is holding out for the TOLEDO network. Plus they want $25 mill per yr. The major conferences can't wait to get that average attd of 25,000 into their league
