(02-11-2010 06:08 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:41 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  I've heard for years how great the Big East's media markets are and all I continue to see is the BCS conference that has the worst TV deal. Every new TV contract bears that out.

I think this is just another pie-in-the-sky fantasy for people that can't yet come to grips with adding Memphis, East Carolina, etc.

or just fodder for someone that just wants to ignore the value of the Big East.
As I said look at the choices I posted and tell me that the four Big XII schools I mentioned could get better TV deals staying with the remaining big12 schools over Big East/

Oklahoma & Nebraska are more of a TV draw than any school the Big East has to offer. Plus, you're ignoring the history that those schools share. You really think those old Big Eight schools that have been together for over a century would split off to join up with the Big East schools? It's hilarious.

Do you REALLY READ posts or just run your mouth?
I never said BE was better draw than Big 12. What I did say and I stand by it that OU,Nebraska,Mizzou and Oklahoma State would make MORE MONEY joining the Big East teams than staying with the left overs if Texas and Colorado leave.

Lets break your post down MichaelSavage
This coming from the guy who said Brian Kelly would be on the sidelines for UC this year. How'd that work out for you?

It worked out fine for us, we have a coach who just finished up a Top 25 season. How'd that work out for you son? You didn't even have time to celebrate Kelly leaving before we signed another quality coach.

Fact: The Big East's TV contract is worth the least amount of the 6 BCS conferences. Are you going to dispute that?

Fact: The Big East negotiated their deal BEFORE the rise of many of the schools, such as Cincinnati, South Florida, Rutgers, Connecticut. Are you going to dispute that?

Or are you really that much of a homer that you think Oklahoma, Mizzou, etc. will join the football schools of the Big East? Do you really think that those schools want to share a conference with you? They don't.

I never said those schools would join the conference.

Now tell us again how great North Carolina is.

Or are you really that much of a homer that you think Oklahoma, Mizzou, etc. will join the football schools of the Big East? Do you really think that those schools want to share a conference with you? They don't.

"You?" I thought you were a Big East fan. Ooops! I find it amusing how you spend all of your time on our board trying to lecture us on how much we suck. That might have worked 4 or 5 years ago when we were down on ourselves but it's not going to cut the mustard now, I'm sorry to inform.

(02-11-2010 06:09 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 06:05 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:49 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:41 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  I've heard for years how great the Big East's media markets are and all I continue to see is the BCS conference that has the worst TV deal. Every new TV contract bears that out.

I think this is just another pie-in-the-sky fantasy for people that can't yet come to grips with adding Memphis, East Carolina, etc.

or just fodder for someone that just wants to ignore the value of the Big East.
As I said look at the choices I posted and tell me that the four Big XII schools I mentioned could get better TV deals staying with the remaining big12 schools over Big East/

I've said it in the past, MichaelSavage is a closet ACC fan. Over the last few years he has attacked people who have ripped North Carolina, and then lectured us for daring to say that the Big East's academics can matchup with the ACC's academics. And the reason I bring this up is because EVERYTIME the Big East fans think positively towards expansion, here comes MichaelSavage to say our academics aren't good enough, our television deal isn't good enough, the Big East is worse then another potentially gutted conference, we can't possibly get another quality bowl, etc., etc. If you were really a Big East fan you would have an open mind, and not rip everything that is Big East, while going out of your way to defend the ACC, Miami-FL and North Carolina.

This coming from the guy who said Brian Kelly would be on the sidelines for UC this year. How'd that work out for you? Fact: The Big East's TV contract is worth the least amount of the 6 BCS conferences. Are you going to dispute that? Or are you really that much of a homer that you think Oklahoma, Mizzou, etc. will join the football schools of the Big East? Do you really think that those schools want to share a conference with you? They don't.

LOL. Once again,tell me you really think that
Kansas-Kansas State-Iowa State-Texas Tech-AM-Baylor-BYU-TCU
would bring more money than the Big East.

The difference is neglible...is there any basis for this other than your wishful thinking?

(02-11-2010 06:27 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 06:09 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 06:05 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:49 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:41 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  I've heard for years how great the Big East's media markets are and all I continue to see is the BCS conference that has the worst TV deal. Every new TV contract bears that out.

I think this is just another pie-in-the-sky fantasy for people that can't yet come to grips with adding Memphis, East Carolina, etc.

or just fodder for someone that just wants to ignore the value of the Big East.
As I said look at the choices I posted and tell me that the four Big XII schools I mentioned could get better TV deals staying with the remaining big12 schools over Big East/

I've said it in the past, MichaelSavage is a closet ACC fan. Over the last few years he has attacked people who have ripped North Carolina, and then lectured us for daring to say that the Big East's academics can matchup with the ACC's academics. And the reason I bring this up is because EVERYTIME the Big East fans think positively towards expansion, here comes MichaelSavage to say our academics aren't good enough, our television deal isn't good enough, the Big East is worse then another potentially gutted conference, we can't possibly get another quality bowl, etc., etc. If you were really a Big East fan you would have an open mind, and not rip everything that is Big East, while going out of your way to defend the ACC, Miami-FL and North Carolina.

This coming from the guy who said Brian Kelly would be on the sidelines for UC this year. How'd that work out for you? Fact: The Big East's TV contract is worth the least amount of the 6 BCS conferences. Are you going to dispute that? Or are you really that much of a homer that you think Oklahoma, Mizzou, etc. will join the football schools of the Big East? Do you really think that those schools want to share a conference with you? They don't.

LOL. Once again,tell me you really think that
Kansas-Kansas State-Iowa State-Texas Tech-AM-Baylor-BYU-TCU
would bring more money than the Big East.

The difference is neglible...is there any basis for this other than your wishful thinking?

LOL yep you crack me up, "neglible" only in the mind of someone that hates the Big East.

(02-11-2010 06:27 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 06:09 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 06:05 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:49 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:41 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  I've heard for years how great the Big East's media markets are and all I continue to see is the BCS conference that has the worst TV deal. Every new TV contract bears that out.

I think this is just another pie-in-the-sky fantasy for people that can't yet come to grips with adding Memphis, East Carolina, etc.

or just fodder for someone that just wants to ignore the value of the Big East.
As I said look at the choices I posted and tell me that the four Big XII schools I mentioned could get better TV deals staying with the remaining big12 schools over Big East/

I've said it in the past, MichaelSavage is a closet ACC fan. Over the last few years he has attacked people who have ripped North Carolina, and then lectured us for daring to say that the Big East's academics can matchup with the ACC's academics. And the reason I bring this up is because EVERYTIME the Big East fans think positively towards expansion, here comes MichaelSavage to say our academics aren't good enough, our television deal isn't good enough, the Big East is worse then another potentially gutted conference, we can't possibly get another quality bowl, etc., etc. If you were really a Big East fan you would have an open mind, and not rip everything that is Big East, while going out of your way to defend the ACC, Miami-FL and North Carolina.

This coming from the guy who said Brian Kelly would be on the sidelines for UC this year. How'd that work out for you? Fact: The Big East's TV contract is worth the least amount of the 6 BCS conferences. Are you going to dispute that? Or are you really that much of a homer that you think Oklahoma, Mizzou, etc. will join the football schools of the Big East? Do you really think that those schools want to share a conference with you? They don't.

LOL. Once again,tell me you really think that
Kansas-Kansas State-Iowa State-Texas Tech-AM-Baylor-BYU-TCU
would bring more money than the Big East.

The difference is neglible...is there any basis for this other than your wishful thinking?

I don't know, is there any basis for YOUR opinion other then your hatred of the Big East?

(02-11-2010 06:29 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 06:27 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 06:09 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 06:05 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:49 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:41 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  I've heard for years how great the Big East's media markets are and all I continue to see is the BCS conference that has the worst TV deal. Every new TV contract bears that out.

I think this is just another pie-in-the-sky fantasy for people that can't yet come to grips with adding Memphis, East Carolina, etc.

or just fodder for someone that just wants to ignore the value of the Big East.
As I said look at the choices I posted and tell me that the four Big XII schools I mentioned could get better TV deals staying with the remaining big12 schools over Big East/

I've said it in the past, MichaelSavage is a closet ACC fan. Over the last few years he has attacked people who have ripped North Carolina, and then lectured us for daring to say that the Big East's academics can matchup with the ACC's academics. And the reason I bring this up is because EVERYTIME the Big East fans think positively towards expansion, here comes MichaelSavage to say our academics aren't good enough, our television deal isn't good enough, the Big East is worse then another potentially gutted conference, we can't possibly get another quality bowl, etc., etc. If you were really a Big East fan you would have an open mind, and not rip everything that is Big East, while going out of your way to defend the ACC, Miami-FL and North Carolina.

This coming from the guy who said Brian Kelly would be on the sidelines for UC this year. How'd that work out for you? Fact: The Big East's TV contract is worth the least amount of the 6 BCS conferences. Are you going to dispute that? Or are you really that much of a homer that you think Oklahoma, Mizzou, etc. will join the football schools of the Big East? Do you really think that those schools want to share a conference with you? They don't.

LOL. Once again,tell me you really think that
Kansas-Kansas State-Iowa State-Texas Tech-AM-Baylor-BYU-TCU
would bring more money than the Big East.

The difference is neglible...is there any basis for this other than your wishful thinking?

I don't know, is there any basis for YOUR opinion other then your hatred of the Big East?

I don't hate the Big East. I just recognize it for what it is. 51-24 chief.

(02-11-2010 06:29 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 06:27 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 06:09 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 06:05 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:49 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:41 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  I've heard for years how great the Big East's media markets are and all I continue to see is the BCS conference that has the worst TV deal. Every new TV contract bears that out.

I think this is just another pie-in-the-sky fantasy for people that can't yet come to grips with adding Memphis, East Carolina, etc.

or just fodder for someone that just wants to ignore the value of the Big East.
As I said look at the choices I posted and tell me that the four Big XII schools I mentioned could get better TV deals staying with the remaining big12 schools over Big East/

I've said it in the past, MichaelSavage is a closet ACC fan. Over the last few years he has attacked people who have ripped North Carolina, and then lectured us for daring to say that the Big East's academics can matchup with the ACC's academics. And the reason I bring this up is because EVERYTIME the Big East fans think positively towards expansion, here comes MichaelSavage to say our academics aren't good enough, our television deal isn't good enough, the Big East is worse then another potentially gutted conference, we can't possibly get another quality bowl, etc., etc. If you were really a Big East fan you would have an open mind, and not rip everything that is Big East, while going out of your way to defend the ACC, Miami-FL and North Carolina.

This coming from the guy who said Brian Kelly would be on the sidelines for UC this year. How'd that work out for you? Fact: The Big East's TV contract is worth the least amount of the 6 BCS conferences. Are you going to dispute that? Or are you really that much of a homer that you think Oklahoma, Mizzou, etc. will join the football schools of the Big East? Do you really think that those schools want to share a conference with you? They don't.

LOL. Once again,tell me you really think that
Kansas-Kansas State-Iowa State-Texas Tech-AM-Baylor-BYU-TCU
would bring more money than the Big East.

The difference is neglible...is there any basis for this other than your wishful thinking?

LOL yep you crack me up, "neglible" only in the mind of someone that hates the Big East.

They'd probably be too busy laughing at your athletic budget to seriously entertain your silly notions.

(02-11-2010 06:45 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 06:29 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 06:27 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 06:09 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 06:05 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:49 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:41 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  I've heard for years how great the Big East's media markets are and all I continue to see is the BCS conference that has the worst TV deal. Every new TV contract bears that out.

I think this is just another pie-in-the-sky fantasy for people that can't yet come to grips with adding Memphis, East Carolina, etc.

or just fodder for someone that just wants to ignore the value of the Big East.
As I said look at the choices I posted and tell me that the four Big XII schools I mentioned could get better TV deals staying with the remaining big12 schools over Big East/

I've said it in the past, MichaelSavage is a closet ACC fan. Over the last few years he has attacked people who have ripped North Carolina, and then lectured us for daring to say that the Big East's academics can matchup with the ACC's academics. And the reason I bring this up is because EVERYTIME the Big East fans think positively towards expansion, here comes MichaelSavage to say our academics aren't good enough, our television deal isn't good enough, the Big East is worse then another potentially gutted conference, we can't possibly get another quality bowl, etc., etc. If you were really a Big East fan you would have an open mind, and not rip everything that is Big East, while going out of your way to defend the ACC, Miami-FL and North Carolina.

This coming from the guy who said Brian Kelly would be on the sidelines for UC this year. How'd that work out for you? Fact: The Big East's TV contract is worth the least amount of the 6 BCS conferences. Are you going to dispute that? Or are you really that much of a homer that you think Oklahoma, Mizzou, etc. will join the football schools of the Big East? Do you really think that those schools want to share a conference with you? They don't.

LOL. Once again,tell me you really think that
Kansas-Kansas State-Iowa State-Texas Tech-AM-Baylor-BYU-TCU
would bring more money than the Big East.

The difference is neglible...is there any basis for this other than your wishful thinking?

I don't know, is there any basis for YOUR opinion other then your hatred of the Big East?

I don't hate the Big East. I just recognize it for what it is. 51-24 chief.

Hey now, no reason to go there....

(02-11-2010 06:48 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 06:29 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 06:27 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 06:09 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 06:05 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:49 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:41 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  I've heard for years how great the Big East's media markets are and all I continue to see is the BCS conference that has the worst TV deal. Every new TV contract bears that out.

I think this is just another pie-in-the-sky fantasy for people that can't yet come to grips with adding Memphis, East Carolina, etc.

or just fodder for someone that just wants to ignore the value of the Big East.
As I said look at the choices I posted and tell me that the four Big XII schools I mentioned could get better TV deals staying with the remaining big12 schools over Big East/

I've said it in the past, MichaelSavage is a closet ACC fan. Over the last few years he has attacked people who have ripped North Carolina, and then lectured us for daring to say that the Big East's academics can matchup with the ACC's academics. And the reason I bring this up is because EVERYTIME the Big East fans think positively towards expansion, here comes MichaelSavage to say our academics aren't good enough, our television deal isn't good enough, the Big East is worse then another potentially gutted conference, we can't possibly get another quality bowl, etc., etc. If you were really a Big East fan you would have an open mind, and not rip everything that is Big East, while going out of your way to defend the ACC, Miami-FL and North Carolina.

This coming from the guy who said Brian Kelly would be on the sidelines for UC this year. How'd that work out for you? Fact: The Big East's TV contract is worth the least amount of the 6 BCS conferences. Are you going to dispute that? Or are you really that much of a homer that you think Oklahoma, Mizzou, etc. will join the football schools of the Big East? Do you really think that those schools want to share a conference with you? They don't.

LOL. Once again,tell me you really think that
Kansas-Kansas State-Iowa State-Texas Tech-AM-Baylor-BYU-TCU
would bring more money than the Big East.

The difference is neglible...is there any basis for this other than your wishful thinking?

LOL yep you crack me up, "neglible" only in the mind of someone that hates the Big East.

They'd probably be too busy laughing at your athletic budget to seriously entertain your silly notions.

Oh is that the best you can do? LOL
Well even with our short history in a BCS conference and not making the money handed over by current Big12 conference. USF is just about what Iowa State does in revenues for the athletic dept. and matches Kansas football revenue. Two schools with more history and current Big12 profits.
So yes USF would outdo both of those if it was in the conference I stated above.

(02-11-2010 04:06 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 02:10 PM)Airport KC Wrote:  The three biggest football recruiting states are Texas, Florida, and California....in the next tier its Georgia, Ohio, PA.

You can include Alabama, Michigan, and NJ in the that next tier too. It drops off pretty considerably after that. People seem to forget that NJ is a top producer of football talent.

Anyrate, to your original post. Texas going alone to the Big Ten isn't far fetched at all. What could happen is the state forcing them to get Texas A&M an invite, which is also a good possibility. And if you ask me it makes sense from that travel costs standpoint since TAMU is only 100 miles (and about 2 hours) from Texas. So you have a built in big rivalry and travel partners. And frankly I think there's enough A&M alums/boosters in power in Texas that that's a fairly likely scenario. Its not like it was 13 years ago when Baylor and Tech grads also had large enough powerbases to force their inclusion.

Now you're not going to go to just 13 teams because that's silly especially when there are other markets to conquer. The question is do they continue to look westward at Missouri or Nebraska or eastward at Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse, UConn or Maryland. My guess is they would go with the big national splash and grab Nebraska. It doesn't gain access to the markets any of the other schools brings you but its a bigger national name with a fanbase/alumni base spread across the country so it adds value to the Big Ten Network in different ways. If its found one of those other options will make the network the most money over Nebraska then that's who they'll invite. My guess if that's actually the case then the order of preference is probably Syracuse/Rutgers, Missouri, Maryland, UConn, Pitt.

So yes if Texas is Big Ten bound as is quite probably the case the Big Ten will probably go to 14 and its a good safe bet that Texas A&M and Nebraska are on the way with the Longhorns.

This also opens the Pac 10 to go after a Colorado & Utah combination. What the leftover Big XII schools do I'd imagine is to re-stabilize and grab BYU and TCU for sure and probably Boise and Houston. The good news is the Big East is left alone and allowed to be proactive and call up the next two schools to begin upgrading and enhancing the Big East. I'd guess Temple and Memphis to be those schools at this point which certainly spells SPLIT out very clearly. There's no way where the other conferences are at least 12 schools large that we could continue to remain at 8. We'd need to start moving towards 12 schools ourselves.

Now a crazy (or perhaps not so crazy) what if is if the Pac 10 partnered with the Big East FB schools on a channel which required the BE FB schools to split and expand a bit. Given the new revenue paradigm/stream could they lure BC and Miami back? Maybe even Virginia Tech and even FSU as well. And given the way that network would work where you'd want the most national appeal and the most states where you have the #1 and/or #2 most popular schools, 14 for this new conference may be better too. I'd imagine Maryland, Georgia Tech and ECU would be our candidates to look at. Regardless if that scenario played out where a Pac 12-Big East network was started the ACC is the one left scrambling not the Big East.

Notre Dame or Texas are the only two schools that can bring the Big 10 the kind of money it would take to make expansion worthwhile. I'm not convinced that Texas and Texas A & M are a package deal these days. But if they are, the Big 10 may just stop at 13. The kind of money required for the Big 10 to go to 14 (unless it's Texas, Texas A & M and Notre Dame) is not possible, IMO.

There is dissention in the ranks of the Big 12. Texas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska are not happy. I could see Texas leave for the Big 10 or form a new conference.

(02-11-2010 05:41 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  No one is going to 14, unless Big Ten gets both Texas and Notre Dame to join them. The money is just not there unless you add some big time revenue prosducers.

Cuban, under normal circumstances I'd agree. If they take Texas but Texas has to take Texas A&M along with them which is a real possibility, the Big Ten would do it to get Texas. Not like having a built rivalry and travel partner doesn't help in various ways. However they need even divisions so they'd need a 14th school, they'd make the overture again to ND who will probably still balk and they'd invite Nebraska or Missouri and probably Nebraska because Nebraska is a much bigger national name and therefore a big splash like Texas. That's the most likely scenario in which the Big Ten goes to 14 which could be very real. And having those be the three schools I'm sure makes financial sense. Texas brings the lion's share of new money but Texas A&M brings a deeper demand/penetration for the BTN to Texas. Nebraska may not bring all the pay-TV households from a state the size of Texas but they deepen the value of the contracts in the states where the BTN is currently carried on cable/fiber in that a small increase in payouts is warranted.

Now if Texas wasn't forced to bring A&M along with them, they'll stop at 12 unless of course ND comes calling finally. That I totally agree.

Savage, one word: GOMER

In the end:

PAC 10 takes BYU and Utah.

Big 10 takes Missouri

Big 12 takes TCU

MWC takes Houston, Boise, and SMU.

Big East takes Memphis, ECU, UCF, and Southern Miss or Temple.

What's left of CUSA merges with the WAC, MAC and Sun Belt.

We now have 10, 12 team conferences. Six conferences get first round byes (PAC10, Big10, SEC, Big12, ACC and Big East). The four other conferences play in for slots 7 and 8 (MWC, MAC, WAC and Sun Belt or CUSA, which ever survies). Indepents are screwed.

(02-11-2010 10:51 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  In the end:

PAC 10 takes BYU and Utah.

Big 10 takes Missouri

Big 12 takes TCU

MWC takes Houston, Boise, and SMU.

Big East takes Memphis, ECU, UCF, and Southern Miss or Temple.

What's left of CUSA merges with the WAC, MAC and Sun Belt.

We now have 10, 12 team conferences. Six conferences get first round byes (PAC10, Big10, SEC, Big12, ACC and Big East). The four other conferences play in for slots 7 and 8 (MWC, MAC, WAC and Sun Belt or CUSA, which ever survies). Indepents are screwed.

Wilkie they won't take Southern Miss in a million years they fit with none of our schools what so ever and that includes former rivals Cincy and Louisville. Memphis fits, ECU fits, Temple fits, UCF fits. That being said if the Big Ten takes Mizzou, I'm betting Penn State and in particular the old man are pissed off. My take is yea if ya got a Texas sure who cares about an eastern rival look at all that extra money. Ya bring in Nebraska or Mizzou where's the massively extra money to make it worth not giving us an eastern rival. Will they be pissed enough to bring the back Eastern Dream Conference of the early 80s? I'd say probably not, but maybe it'd be time to approach them again about coming home and go in there with big plans and how we'd execute them together. Then you've got a shot no matter how small.

(02-11-2010 05:34 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 04:54 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  It is all about money, and the Big East continues to bring up the rear in that category among the BCS conferences. The remaining 10 schools in the Big 12 would still command more money than the Big East even if Texas and Colorado leave.

I wouldnt be too sure about that. You lose your bigest money maker in Texas and Colorado's TV audience. You take Oklahoma,Oklahoma State,Mizzou and Nebraska and ask them where they would make the most money?
A) with West Virginia,Pitt,Syracuse,UConn,Rutgers, Louisville,Cincy and USF
or
B)Kansas,Kansas State,Texas AM,Texas Tech,Baylor,Iowa State,BYU and TCU

and I think you would be hard pressed to tell me that those four with choice B would bring more TV money than with choice A

Maybe there is a C scenario, in which USF gets left out and its WVU, Syracuse, UCONN, Rutgers, Kansas, OU, Ok State, Missouri, Nebraska, TCU, Texas Tech, Texas A&M

Better football. Better Basketball. I simply don't see how USF would rise to the surface over a Kansas or an aTm for that matter. If the reminants of the Big 12 raided the Big East, than IMO USF will be on the outside.

(02-11-2010 04:12 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 03:31 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Not surprised by this news. I have said all along that Texas is the BIG deal for either BigTen or PacTen and that the Horns would fit better academically at either conference than with Big12.
Texas is the type of addition that would bring huge revenues that would make exapnsion palatable for BigTen.
Now if this is happenning and PacTen goes after Colorado from Big 12. The Big East shoould be proactive and go after Oklahoma,Oklahoma State, Misouri and Texas AM.
Imagine
WEST:
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas AM, Missouri, Cinncinati, Louisville
EAST
Pitt, West Virginia, Syracuse, UCONN, Rutgers, South Florida

would those four Big12 schools feel better with this new look than staying with Baylor,IowaST, Kansas, KansasST, Texas Tech?

I honestly hadn't thought about this idea but its a really good idea. Although I think Nebraska is the better fit and the better overall program than Texas A&M particularly at this point in time. I'm sure the Oklahoma schools would feel more comfortable with the idea if Nebraska was a part of it. If we started our own network we'd have a network with excellent national appeal given the midwest/midsouth balance with the northeast/Florida involved in it. I have to think that this new "Great American Conference" makes more money than the Big 12 or the Big East.

for this to happen the big 12 and mwc would have to be absolutely descimated... i highly doubt it, but it would be awesome because with that lineup the league would be secure and we wouldnt have to worry about being torn apart anymore

If the Big 10 takes Texas, why would the Pac 10 go after Utah? If Texas left the Big 12, the Pac 10 could have their pick of any school in the conference. Nebraska, Colorado, Oklahoma, Texas A&M

(02-12-2010 12:53 AM)Coog2Knight518 Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:34 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 04:54 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  It is all about money, and the Big East continues to bring up the rear in that category among the BCS conferences. The remaining 10 schools in the Big 12 would still command more money than the Big East even if Texas and Colorado leave.

I wouldnt be too sure about that. You lose your bigest money maker in Texas and Colorado's TV audience. You take Oklahoma,Oklahoma State,Mizzou and Nebraska and ask them where they would make the most money?
A) with West Virginia,Pitt,Syracuse,UConn,Rutgers, Louisville,Cincy and USF
or
B)Kansas,Kansas State,Texas AM,Texas Tech,Baylor,Iowa State,BYU and TCU

and I think you would be hard pressed to tell me that those four with choice B would bring more TV money than with choice A

Maybe there is a C scenario, in which USF gets left out and its WVU, Syracuse, UCONN, Rutgers, Kansas, OU, Ok State, Missouri, Nebraska, TCU, Texas Tech, Texas A&M

Better football. Better Basketball. I simply don't see how USF would rise to the surface over a Kansas or an aTm for that matter. If the reminants of the Big 12 raided the Big East, than IMO USF will be on the outside.

But you're talking about a scenario that is very unlikely. If the Big 10 takes Texas, the Big 12 becomes much less stable than the BE. The Big 12 is not going to be able to raid any other bcs conference. They will probably end up with one of the top MWC schools. But they better hurry before the Pac 10 takes their pick of the MWC.

(02-11-2010 03:04 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Another thing that people forget is that Texas is dissatisfied with their Big XII arrangements, and they are also the biggest TV draw in the conference. None of the other Big XII schools approach Texas' drawing power. If Oklahoma were left behind, they might be amenable to joining The BEast in our battle to fight off obscurity...

The Pac Tin is looking into expanding, and Texas is on their short list. I'm sure the Longhorns will play both conferences off each other, in order to get the best deal too...

Exactly right, Bit. I'm smiling only to the extent that at least my thoughts have shown not to be completely crazy as there are a lot of obstacles to get Texas into the Big Ten. That being said, Bit touches on something that I didn't really realize until I started talking to Texas alums: they are NOT satisfied with the Big XII at all. I used to have the outsider's view of thinking that Texas wouldn't want to leave the Big XII since it essentially "controlled" that conference. However, Texas went through the SWC implosion just 15 years ago and was only able to end up with their 4th choice (#1 was the Pac-10, #2 was the Big Ten, and #3 was joining the Big 8 schools with ONLY Texas A&M - they wanted absolutely nothing to do with Baylor and Texas Tech anymore). So, these people are not myopic in thinking that winning the Texas state championship is good enough - they see Northwestern and Indiana making twice as much TV money as them and they are NOT happy about it. Add on top of the fact that Texas would much rather be academically aligned with the Big Ten or Pac-10 and now you have real mix of discontent: neither the people who love sports nor the academically-minded people that actually run the school are happy with the Big XII.

While there is certainly a faction of Texas alums that are against a move to the Big Ten, it's shocking to see how they seem to be a minority (at least when you look at Texas blogs and message boards). Almost all of the non-Texas Big XII fans say "NFW will Texas leave a conference they control", but then you see Texas fans say "If you think we're staying in a conference where Colorado and Missouri might bolt, you're crazy."

The point is that Texas alums seem to be the antithesis of Notre Dame alums. Having gone through the SWC implosion not that long ago, Texas alums seem to understand that even though they are on top of the college sports world right now, that situation would change drastically if key non-Texas markets starting leaving the Big XII. They know that they aren't immune to the greater forces that could collapse around them because they've seen it happen to them once already. In contrast, ND alums seem to have a bunker mentality where they want to charge forward with independence regardless of the changing college sports landscape since they believe that will come out unscathed no matter what. All in all, Texas have absolutely no emotional ties to the Big XII in the manner that ND alums have to independence.

Here's a typical exchange on my blog (with a commenter named LonghornLawyer who is VERY knowledgable about what happens within UT) and what you'll find on a lot of Texas blogs and message boards:

matt Says:

February 11, 2010 at 10:23 am | Reply edit

Texas isn’t anywhere near the other schools geographically. Not to mention texans feel big xii pwns big x. It would be like leaving varsity to go play j.v. STUPID

LonghornLawyer Says:

February 11, 2010 at 11:48 am | Reply edit

Matt, I can assure you that most Texas fans don’t think anything of the sort. From an economic and academic standpoint, it is easily the Big 10 that is superior. Beyond that, I think most Texas fans understand the inherent shortcomings of the Big 12, including (but not limited to) our abysmal television deal, the ongoing subsidization of a bunch of poor schools that add nothing but anti-Texas votes, and little prospect for improvement.

The Big 12 was a shotgun marriage from the beginning, and the sooner we escape the better.

matt Says:

February 11, 2010 at 1:03 pm | Reply edit

Then why do all the UT alums, myself included, have status updates along the lines of “NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!”? We want to head to lubbock, college station, waco, dallas, & stillwater for away game weekends with old friends. Student athletes have no ability or desire to head to Indiana for a mid week game. The big ten is a midwest conference. Texas does not belong, and texans & alums would view it as selling out the athletes, alums, fans & taxpayers.

LonghornLawyer Says:

February 11, 2010 at 1:45 pm edit

I don’t know, Matt, but if you look at hornfans, shaggybevo, orangebloods, and other Texas message boards, I think you’ll find that you’re in the minority.

Wait, wait, wait–I missed something. Did you just say you want to head to Lubbock, Waco, and Stillwater? That’s sarcasm, right? Please, please tell me that’s sarcasm.

Todd Says:

February 11, 2010 at 2:05 pm edit

You and your friends do not constitute the entire fanbase. Texas can still play OU and A&M out-of-conference (and how much does that boost strength-of-schedule?), but I’d much rather see my alma mater improve their strength of schedule and increase their national exposure than to drive to Lubbock or Stillwater for a party… Waco? Really? Waco?!? And how much does this move help admissions and recruiting? It would be an instant credibility boost in both athletics and academics. This TexasEx and all of his friends understand this, and we say “Bring on the Big10!”

Here's my full blog post from yesterday if you're interested:

http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2010/0...ith-texas/