If it happens, the remaining Big 12 schools will likely supplement their losses with schools from the Mountain West and C-USA.

(02-11-2010 04:30 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  If it happens, the remaining Big 12 schools will likely supplement their losses with schools from the Mountain West and C-USA.

Its ALL about the money and if Texas and Colorado head out to both PacTen and Big Ten. You better believe that schools like Nebraska and Oklahoma will explore were they can get the MOST money and that might NOT be in staying with the left overs and adding CUSA/MWC teams.
We shall see but definetely Texas is the BIG prize that could get things moving.

We'll see what happens. But a conference with Oklahoma and Rutgers is about as far fetched as anything produced on this board.

(02-11-2010 04:42 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  We'll see what happens. But a conference with Oklahoma and Rutgers is about as far fetched as anything produced on this board.

I agree its pretty out there but this is a new paradigm.

(02-11-2010 04:42 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  We'll see what happens. But a conference with Oklahoma and Rutgers is about as far fetched as anything produced on this board.

Well 10 years ago South Florida in Big East would had been considered even more far fetched and here we are.
Its ALL about money now a days and conferences are in a money war and will redesign themselves to make the biggest money gain. It looks like the BigTen or PacTen will be making the first moves this time around and looking back at it all we might all be glad the Big East didnt jump at adding ECU,Memphis,UCF and Temple.

It is all about money, and the Big East continues to bring up the rear in that category among the BCS conferences. The remaining 10 schools in the Big 12 would still command more money than the Big East even if Texas and Colorado leave.

(02-11-2010 04:54 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  It is all about money, and the Big East continues to bring up the rear in that category among the BCS conferences. The remaining 10 schools in the Big 12 would still command more money than the Big East even if Texas and Colorado leave.

I wouldnt be too sure about that. You lose your bigest money maker in Texas and Colorado's TV audience. You take Oklahoma,Oklahoma State,Mizzou and Nebraska and ask them where they would make the most money?
A) with West Virginia,Pitt,Syracuse,UConn,Rutgers, Louisville,Cincy and USF
or
B)Kansas,Kansas State,Texas AM,Texas Tech,Baylor,Iowa State,BYU and TCU

and I think you would be hard pressed to tell me that those four with choice B would bring more TV money than with choice A

(02-11-2010 04:54 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  It is all about money, and the Big East continues to bring up the rear in that category among the BCS conferences. The remaining 10 schools in the Big 12 would still command more money than the Big East even if Texas and Colorado leave.

What if the Big Ten goes after as suggested 3 Big XII schools (TX, NE, OU) and then in response the PAC-10 adds Colorado and Texas A&M?

I don't know but in that scenario a school like Missouri might want to consider the Big East. Not sure.

The Big Ten is on deck first, the PAC-10 second. Those are the two best academic conferences. After that its very much up in the air, though one thing to watch is if the Big XII or MWC lose to many schools they'll lose their autobid to the NCAA tourney forcing the leftover schools to find shelter in the Big East or WAC.

Could the ACC say, we better join the party too or be left behind and add Pitt, Syracuse, UConn and ND to go to 16?

That would leave 4 super conferences:

PAC-12
SEC (12)
Big Ten (14)
ACC (16)

Then second tier BCS:

Big 8
Big East
MWC

Finally mid-major ville':
WAC (w/o Boise)
MAC (w/o Temple/Buffalo)
SBC (w/o WKU)
CUSA (w/o ECU, Memphis)

(02-11-2010 05:35 PM)Airport KC Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 04:54 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  It is all about money, and the Big East continues to bring up the rear in that category among the BCS conferences. The remaining 10 schools in the Big 12 would still command more money than the Big East even if Texas and Colorado leave.

What if the Big Ten goes after as suggested 3 Big XII schools (TX, NE, OU) and then in response the PAC-10 adds Colorado and Texas A&M?

I don't know but in that scenario a school like Missouri might want to consider the Big East. Not sure.

The Big Ten is on deck first, the PAC-10 second. Those are the two best academic conferences. After that its very much up in the air, though one thing to watch is if the Big XII or MWC lose to many schools they'll lose their autobid to the NCAA tourney forcing the leftover schools to find shelter in the Big East or WAC.

Could the ACC say, we better join the party too or be left behind and add Pitt, Syracuse, UConn and ND to go to 16?

That would leave 4 super conferences:

PAC-12
SEC (12)
Big Ten (14)
ACC (16)

Then second tier BCS:

Big 8
Big East
MWC

Finally mid-major ville':
WAC (w/o Boise)
MAC (w/o Temple/Buffalo)
SBC (w/o WKU)
CUSA (w/o ECU, Memphis)

This is all halfway crazy so I almost say why bother... however, why would the ACC go from 12 to 16 just because other leagues were matching them at 12? I don't see that happening, even if the other events all went down.

No one is going to 14, unless Big Ten gets both Texas and Notre Dame to join them. The money is just not there unless you add some big time revenue prosducers.

I've heard for years how great the Big East's media markets are and all I continue to see is the BCS conference that has the worst TV deal. Every new TV contract bears that out.

I think this is just another pie-in-the-sky fantasy for people that can't yet come to grips with adding Memphis, East Carolina, etc.

(02-11-2010 04:54 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  It is all about money, and the Big East continues to bring up the rear in that category among the BCS conferences. The remaining 10 schools in the Big 12 would still command more money than the Big East even if Texas and Colorado leave.

I doubt it. I'm willing to bet the Big East would command much more money then Texas-less Big 12.

(02-11-2010 05:41 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  I've heard for years how great the Big East's media markets are and all I continue to see is the BCS conference that has the worst TV deal. Every new TV contract bears that out.

I think this is just another pie-in-the-sky fantasy for people that can't yet come to grips with adding Memphis, East Carolina, etc.

or just fodder for someone that just wants to ignore the value of the Big East.
As I said look at the choices I posted and tell me that the four Big XII schools I mentioned could get better TV deals staying with the remaining big12 schools over Big East/

(02-11-2010 05:41 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  I've heard for years how great the Big East's media markets are and all I continue to see is the BCS conference that has the worst TV deal. Every new TV contract bears that out.

I think this is just another pie-in-the-sky fantasy for people that can't yet come to grips with adding Memphis, East Carolina, etc.

Every new contract for the Big East has gotten better, so yeah, you're right, it does bear it out. I just find it amusing that you're trying to lecture the Big East fans on how the conference sucks and "pie-in-the-sky." I don't remember you predicting Texas to the Big Ten. In fact, I bet you were one of the people saying that it was possible. So let the Big East deal with itself. I would also like the add that if we had said a few years ago that the Big East would have a quarter of a billion dollar television deal you would be one of the people ripping that. So that says it all.

(02-11-2010 05:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:41 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  I've heard for years how great the Big East's media markets are and all I continue to see is the BCS conference that has the worst TV deal. Every new TV contract bears that out.

I think this is just another pie-in-the-sky fantasy for people that can't yet come to grips with adding Memphis, East Carolina, etc.

or just fodder for someone that just wants to ignore the value of the Big East.
As I said look at the choices I posted and tell me that the four Big XII schools I mentioned could get better TV deals staying with the remaining big12 schools over Big East/

I've said it in the past, MichaelSavage is a closet ACC fan. Over the last few years he has attacked people who have ripped North Carolina, and then lectured us for daring to say that the Big East's academics can matchup with the ACC's academics. And the reason I bring this up is because EVERYTIME the Big East fans think positively towards expansion, here comes MichaelSavage to say our academics aren't good enough, our television deal isn't good enough, the Big East is worse then another potentially gutted conference, we can't possibly get another quality bowl, etc., etc. If you were really a Big East fan you would have an open mind, and not rip everything that is Big East, while going out of your way to defend the ACC, Miami-FL and North Carolina.

(02-11-2010 01:57 PM)Airport KC Wrote:  Why bother with looking at the Big Least or Notre Lame?....an expanded SEC/Big Ten/PAC10 will make all other confernces look mid major.

Amazing how the trolls come crawling out of the woodworks whenever the Big East fans talk about anything positive?

(02-11-2010 05:49 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:41 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  I've heard for years how great the Big East's media markets are and all I continue to see is the BCS conference that has the worst TV deal. Every new TV contract bears that out.

I think this is just another pie-in-the-sky fantasy for people that can't yet come to grips with adding Memphis, East Carolina, etc.

or just fodder for someone that just wants to ignore the value of the Big East.
As I said look at the choices I posted and tell me that the four Big XII schools I mentioned could get better TV deals staying with the remaining big12 schools over Big East/

I've said it in the past, MichaelSavage is a closet ACC fan. Over the last few years he has attacked people who have ripped North Carolina, and then lectured us for daring to say that the Big East's academics can matchup with the ACC's academics. And the reason I bring this up is because EVERYTIME the Big East fans think positively towards expansion, here comes MichaelSavage to say our academics aren't good enough, our television deal isn't good enough, the Big East is worse then another potentially gutted conference, we can't possibly get another quality bowl, etc., etc. If you were really a Big East fan you would have an open mind, and not rip everything that is Big East, while going out of your way to defend the ACC, Miami-FL and North Carolina.

This coming from the guy who said Brian Kelly would be on the sidelines for UC this year. How'd that work out for you? Fact: The Big East's TV contract is worth the least amount of the 6 BCS conferences. Are you going to dispute that? Or are you really that much of a homer that you think Oklahoma, Mizzou, etc. will join the football schools of the Big East? Do you really think that those schools want to share a conference with you? They don't.

(02-11-2010 05:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:41 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  I've heard for years how great the Big East's media markets are and all I continue to see is the BCS conference that has the worst TV deal. Every new TV contract bears that out.

I think this is just another pie-in-the-sky fantasy for people that can't yet come to grips with adding Memphis, East Carolina, etc.

or just fodder for someone that just wants to ignore the value of the Big East.
As I said look at the choices I posted and tell me that the four Big XII schools I mentioned could get better TV deals staying with the remaining big12 schools over Big East/

Oklahoma & Nebraska are more of a TV draw than any school the Big East has to offer. Plus, you're ignoring the history that those schools share. You really think those old Big Eight schools that have been together for over a century would split off to join up with the Big East schools? It's hilarious.

(02-11-2010 06:05 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:49 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:44 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-11-2010 05:41 PM)MichaelSavage Wrote:  I've heard for years how great the Big East's media markets are and all I continue to see is the BCS conference that has the worst TV deal. Every new TV contract bears that out.

I think this is just another pie-in-the-sky fantasy for people that can't yet come to grips with adding Memphis, East Carolina, etc.

or just fodder for someone that just wants to ignore the value of the Big East.
As I said look at the choices I posted and tell me that the four Big XII schools I mentioned could get better TV deals staying with the remaining big12 schools over Big East/

I've said it in the past, MichaelSavage is a closet ACC fan. Over the last few years he has attacked people who have ripped North Carolina, and then lectured us for daring to say that the Big East's academics can matchup with the ACC's academics. And the reason I bring this up is because EVERYTIME the Big East fans think positively towards expansion, here comes MichaelSavage to say our academics aren't good enough, our television deal isn't good enough, the Big East is worse then another potentially gutted conference, we can't possibly get another quality bowl, etc., etc. If you were really a Big East fan you would have an open mind, and not rip everything that is Big East, while going out of your way to defend the ACC, Miami-FL and North Carolina.

This coming from the guy who said Brian Kelly would be on the sidelines for UC this year. How'd that work out for you? Fact: The Big East's TV contract is worth the least amount of the 6 BCS conferences. Are you going to dispute that? Or are you really that much of a homer that you think Oklahoma, Mizzou, etc. will join the football schools of the Big East? Do you really think that those schools want to share a conference with you? They don't.

LOL. Once again,tell me you really think that
Kansas-Kansas State-Iowa State-Texas Tech-AM-Baylor-BYU-TCU
would bring more money than the Big East.

My point is, you to out of your way to devalue everything that is said positively about the Big East, and then go out of your way to defend the ACC. Heck, in a thread made a day or so ago someone was joking about the MWC being better then the ACC in basketball and you had to go in that thread and defend the ACC on that. The proof is in the pudding.