(11-27-2009 08:44 PM)NIU8110 Wrote:  Madd for at large bids outside of conference ties the committee must first choose 9 win teams that are available, than 8, than 7 and so on. They cannot choose a 7 over a 8.

Is this really correct? Is this a rule that just got created. We had 10 wins in 2003 and stayed home.

(11-27-2009 10:08 PM)huskiehog64 Wrote:  

(11-27-2009 09:00 PM)niu79 Wrote:  With Wyoming winning today there are only three bowl slots open, with a possible 4th if Army loses to Navy.

Eligible teams to fill at-large slots with 7 or more wins are Middle Tennessee, BG, and NIU.

There are five teams that could win tomorrow to reach 7 wins and be eligible for an at-large bid. They are UCLA, Notre Dame, La-Lafayette, La-Monroe, and either SMU or Marshall (one of the two CUSA teams will fill the last CUSA slot, the other would be a 7 win at-large). All but SMU and Marshall are underdogs.

If there are upsets tomorrow that add more teams to the available field of 7+ win teams, there is a very real chance we'll be home for the bowl season. Middle Tennessee with 8-9 wins, is virtually a lock. UCLA and ND will definitely be chosen if they get their 7th win, and I don't think we have a better case for a bowl than BG, or an available 7-5 team from CUSA.

Why is BG's resume so much better than NIU's? Who have they beaten this year that is so impressive?

They beat 8-3 Sun-Belt Champ Troy in their first game of the season.

Plus they have name power in Tyler Sheehan and Freddie Barnes

Let me rephrase MD

What is an at-large spot?

" Bowls have contractual tie-ins with various conferences, where that bowl agrees to select a team from a certain conference. If the conference does not have enough bowl-eligible teams, that bowl then goes to a conference it has a backup agreement with and if the backup conference can't fill a spot, it is available to teams that are eligible but have no bowl with a conference tie-in to go to. When it comes to at-large spots, eight-win teams must be picked before seven-win teams and seven-win teams must be picked before six-win teams."

http://www.huskiewire.com/articles/2009/.../index.xml

(11-27-2009 10:37 PM)NIU8110 Wrote:  Let me rephrase MD

What is an at-large spot?

" Bowls have contractual tie-ins with various conferences, where that bowl agrees to select a team from a certain conference. If the conference does not have enough bowl-eligible teams, that bowl then goes to a conference it has a backup agreement with and if the backup conference can't fill a spot, it is available to teams that are eligible but have no bowl with a conference tie-in to go to. When it comes to at-large spots, eight-win teams must be picked before seven-win teams and seven-win teams must be picked before six-win teams."

http://www.huskiewire.com/articles/2009/.../index.xml

So in 2003 am I correct in assuming there were no at-large spots?

(11-27-2009 08:44 PM)NIU8110 Wrote:  Madd for at large bids outside of conference ties the committee must first choose 9 win teams that are available, than 8, than 7 and so on. They cannot choose a 7 over a 8.

I agree with your logic about wins though. Fan support, Notable victories, bowling history etc play a bigger role than just a record.

Yes they can. They just cannot choose a 7 or 8 or 9 over a 6 win team.

(11-27-2009 11:04 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-27-2009 10:37 PM)NIU8110 Wrote:  Let me rephrase MD

What is an at-large spot?

" Bowls have contractual tie-ins with various conferences, where that bowl agrees to select a team from a certain conference. If the conference does not have enough bowl-eligible teams, that bowl then goes to a conference it has a backup agreement with and if the backup conference can't fill a spot, it is available to teams that are eligible but have no bowl with a conference tie-in to go to. When it comes to at-large spots, eight-win teams must be picked before seven-win teams and seven-win teams must be picked before six-win teams."

http://www.huskiewire.com/articles/2009/.../index.xml

So in 2003 am I correct in assuming there were no at-large spots?

The rule change occurred in 2006.

(11-27-2009 11:12 PM)Doggone Wrote:  

(11-27-2009 08:44 PM)NIU8110 Wrote:  Madd for at large bids outside of conference ties the committee must first choose 9 win teams that are available, than 8, than 7 and so on. They cannot choose a 7 over a 8.

I agree with your logic about wins though. Fan support, Notable victories, bowling history etc play a bigger role than just a record.

Yes they can. They just cannot choose a 7 or 8 or 9 over a 6 win team.

Ahem Ahem as I was saying cyberdawg!

MD, below is the NCAA rule on the selection process for at-large bowl bids. It has been a rule for a few years now. The rule is pretty straightforward, and is there is no grey area to cause any confusion or misinterpretation.


One of the main rules regarding bowl eligibility, NCAA Division I Bylaw 30.9.2.1, has several provisions that attempt to ensure that teams with seven wins will receive preference for bowl bids:[4]

Bowl games that have a contract with a conference must select a team with at least seven wins if one is available.
Any bowl berths that become eligible when a conference fails to meet its contracted tie-ins must first be filled by any eligible 7-win teams before any remaining FBS 6–6 teams can be accommodated.

Additionally, conferences are not allowed to sign contingency agreements with bowl games that would allow 6–6 teams from their conferences to receive bowl berths at the expense of any potential team with seven or more wins. While this does not prevent conferences from signing contingency agreements that are triggered when a second conference is unable to provide enough eligible teams to fill all of its contracted berths, it does not allow a 6–6 team from the contingency conference access to a bowl game over a 7-win team from a third conference.

(11-27-2009 10:18 PM)rabidawg900 Wrote:  

(11-27-2009 10:08 PM)huskiehog64 Wrote:  

(11-27-2009 09:00 PM)niu79 Wrote:  With Wyoming winning today there are only three bowl slots open, with a possible 4th if Army loses to Navy.

Eligible teams to fill at-large slots with 7 or more wins are Middle Tennessee, BG, and NIU.

There are five teams that could win tomorrow to reach 7 wins and be eligible for an at-large bid. They are UCLA, Notre Dame, La-Lafayette, La-Monroe, and either SMU or Marshall (one of the two CUSA teams will fill the last CUSA slot, the other would be a 7 win at-large). All but SMU and Marshall are underdogs.

If there are upsets tomorrow that add more teams to the available field of 7+ win teams, there is a very real chance we'll be home for the bowl season. Middle Tennessee with 8-9 wins, is virtually a lock. UCLA and ND will definitely be chosen if they get their 7th win, and I don't think we have a better case for a bowl than BG, or an available 7-5 team from CUSA.

Why is BG's resume so much better than NIU's? Who have they beaten this year that is so impressive?

They beat 8-3 Sun-Belt Champ Troy in their first game of the season.

Plus they have name power in Tyler Sheehan and Freddie Barnes

AND the are from Ohio. The perfect trifecta for BUGS.

(11-27-2009 10:37 PM)NIU8110 Wrote:  Let me rephrase MD

What is an at-large spot?

" Bowls have contractual tie-ins with various conferences, where that bowl agrees to select a team from a certain conference. If the conference does not have enough bowl-eligible teams, that bowl then goes to a conference it has a backup agreement with and if the backup conference can't fill a spot, it is available to teams that are eligible but have no bowl with a conference tie-in to go to. When it comes to at-large spots, eight-win teams must be picked before seven-win teams and seven-win teams must be picked before six-win teams."

http://www.huskiewire.com/articles/2009/.../index.xml

Yeah I don't know where this guy gets his information, but that's not the rule according to the NCAA Postseason football handbook. See pages 8-11 here:

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_han...ndbook.pdf

Nowhere does it say 8-win teams have to be picked before 7-win teams. They simply refer to the teams with more than 7 wins as "teams with winning records" or "deserving winning team."