(11-04-2009 08:25 AM)panite Wrote:  The BE should sign as the primary for the International Bowl against a MAC team in case the conference needs it 1 of 4 years for the year that ND might take the Champs Bowl and a BE 6&6 team needs a place to go.

You have posted this practically every day for the last three months. It does not make sense. Think about what you are saying.

What bowl is going to sign a conference to a four-year deal knowing that they "might" be available for just one season? The Big East is in danger of only filling five of our six contracts this year, unless UConn recovers down the stretch, but you think some businessman in Toronto is stupid enough to guarantee us a seventh contract? I wonder how long he would last advertising a BE-MAC game knowing good and well that he will probably end up with MAC #3 vs. Sun Belt #4 every year instead?

I am confident that, with 35 or possibly 36 bowls available, no Big East team will sit home in the one year ND takes the Champs.

(11-04-2009 08:25 PM)Krocker Krapp Wrote:  

(11-04-2009 08:25 AM)panite Wrote:  The BE should sign as the primary for the International Bowl against a MAC team in case the conference needs it 1 of 4 years for the year that ND might take the Champs Bowl and a BE 6&6 team needs a place to go.

You have posted this practically every day for the last three months. It does not make sense. Think about what you are saying.

What bowl is going to sign a conference to a four-year deal knowing that they "might" be available for just one season? The Big East is in danger of only filling five of our six contracts this year, unless UConn recovers down the stretch, but you think some businessman in Toronto is stupid enough to guarantee us a seventh contract? I wonder how long he would last advertising a BE-MAC game knowing good and well that he will probably end up with MAC #3 vs. Sun Belt #4 every year instead?

I am confident that, with 35 or possibly 36 bowls available, no Big East team will sit home in the one year ND takes the Champs.

If you don't like it don't read it. The bowl in Toronto pays $750k while those crap southern bowls pay $300k and $350k respectively. Why should a BE team be forced to go to a crap bowl and loose $184k in the process like Rutgers last year. Rutgers hasn't been sent to a bowl except the International one year where they covered their expenses and actually made some money. Also the International Bowl drew 40k+ in attendence while the other two bowls scummed along with their meager morsel payouts with attendence figures well below the International Bowl. I believe the International Bowl has been more successful for the BE than the other two cheap paying bowls in St Pete and Birmingham and that the BE would be foolish to walk away from this bowl at this time.

SHOW ME THE MONEY NOT THE BULL$H... PROMISES......

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(11-05-2009 07:41 AM)panite Wrote:  If you don't like it don't read it. The bowl in Toronto pays $750k while those crap southern bowls pay $300k and $350k respectively. Why should a BE team be forced to go to a crap bowl and loose $184k in the process like Rutgers last year. Rutgers hasn't been sent to a bowl except the International one year where they covered their expenses and actually made some money. Also the International Bowl drew 40k+ in attendence while the other two bowls scummed along with their meager morsel payouts with attendence figures well below the International Bowl. I believe the International Bowl has been more successful for the BE than the other two cheap paying bowls in St Pete and Birmingham and that the BE would be foolish to walk away from this bowl at this time.

Do you want to have a MATURE discussion or not? This has nothing to do with what I don't like. It is about common business sense. What bowl is going to sign a deal for Big East #7 when such a team MIGHT be available one time in four years and knowing that they would have to fly a 6-6 Sun Belt #4 team to Toronto as a replacement the other three years? You say show you the money? Ken Hoffman, the guy who actually makes the decisions for the International Bowl, says show him the money.

If you want to advocate keeping Toronto, and dropping either Birmingham or St. Petersburg, that is a completely different discussion. But that is not the comment I was responding to. You have been saying over and over again to sign the International Bowl for the one year when Notre Dame MIGHT take the Champs Bowl. No sane business person is going to make such a deal. I'm in favor of keeping Toronto if the SEC can't guarantee an opponent in Birmingham. They are two different issues though.

(11-05-2009 08:40 PM)Krocker Krapp Wrote:  Do you want to have a MATURE discussion or not?

Apparently not...

(11-05-2009 08:40 PM)Krocker Krapp Wrote:  

(11-05-2009 07:41 AM)panite Wrote:  If you don't like it don't read it. The bowl in Toronto pays $750k while those crap southern bowls pay $300k and $350k respectively. Why should a BE team be forced to go to a crap bowl and loose $184k in the process like Rutgers last year. Rutgers hasn't been sent to a bowl except the International one year where they covered their expenses and actually made some money. Also the International Bowl drew 40k+ in attendence while the other two bowls scummed along with their meager morsel payouts with attendence figures well below the International Bowl. I believe the International Bowl has been more successful for the BE than the other two cheap paying bowls in St Pete and Birmingham and that the BE would be foolish to walk away from this bowl at this time.

Do you want to have a MATURE discussion or not? This has nothing to do with what I don't like. It is about common business sense. What bowl is going to sign a deal for Big East #7 when such a team MIGHT be available one time in four years and knowing that they would have to fly a 6-6 Sun Belt #4 team to Toronto as a replacement the other three years? You say show you the money? Ken Hoffman, the guy who actually makes the decisions for the International Bowl, says show him the money.

If you want to advocate keeping Toronto, and dropping either Birmingham or St. Petersburg, that is a completely different discussion. But that is not the comment I was responding to. You have been saying over and over again to sign the International Bowl for the one year when Notre Dame MIGHT take the Champs Bowl. No sane business person is going to make such a deal. I'm in favor of keeping Toronto if the SEC can't guarantee an opponent in Birmingham. They are two different issues though.

Flat out the BE needs to sign the International Bowl with ND in the mix. This bowl pays more then those crap low paying southern Pizza and Pete bowls. This bowl has been more successful then both of those bowls put together and pays more than those two crap bowls put to gether. Twist it what ever way you want and the discussion has been straight forward and "MATURE" through each and every post.

(11-07-2009 10:22 AM)panite Wrote:  Flat out the BE needs to sign the International Bowl with ND in the mix. This bowl pays more then those crap low paying southern Pizza and Pete bowls. This bowl has been more successful then both of those bowls put together and pays more than those two crap bowls put to gether. Twist it what ever way you want and the discussion has been straight forward and "MATURE" through each and every post.

I do not twist anything. My posts deal in facts. You still have not explained why Ken Hoffman and his backers in Toronto would sign a deal for Big East #7 when such a team MIGHT be available once every four years, and only if Notre Dame takes the Champs Bowl, while knowing they would have to fly in a Sun Belt #4 type of replacement the remainder of the time. It does not make sense for them.

Now, as far as the Papa John's Bowl and St. Petersburg Bowl are concerned, there are several reasons why the Big East is more interested in going there. The Papa John's Bowl is supposedly raising its payout to $1.2 million, which is higher than Toronto, and is working out a better deal as far as the SEC opponent is concerned ... while St. Petersburg is in Florida and has a similar payout to Toronto.

(11-07-2009 01:40 PM)Krocker Krapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2009 10:22 AM)panite Wrote:  Flat out the BE needs to sign the International Bowl with ND in the mix. This bowl pays more then those crap low paying southern Pizza and Pete bowls. This bowl has been more successful then both of those bowls put together and pays more than those two crap bowls put to gether. Twist it what ever way you want and the discussion has been straight forward and "MATURE" through each and every post.

I do not twist anything. My posts deal in facts. You still have not explained why Ken Hoffman and his backers in Toronto would sign a deal for Big East #7 when such a team MIGHT be available once every four years, and only if Notre Dame takes the Champs Bowl, while knowing they would have to fly in a Sun Belt #4 type of replacement the remainder of the time. It does not make sense for them.

Now, as far as the Papa John's Bowl and St. Petersburg Bowl are concerned, there are several reasons why the Big East is more interested in going there. The Papa John's Bowl is supposedly raising its payout to $1.2 million, which is higher than Toronto, and is working out a better deal as far as the SEC opponent is concerned ... while St. Petersburg is in Florida and has a similar payout to Toronto.

St Pete = 1 million
International = $750,000

(11-07-2009 01:40 PM)Krocker Krapp Wrote:  

(11-07-2009 10:22 AM)panite Wrote:  Flat out the BE needs to sign the International Bowl with ND in the mix. This bowl pays more then those crap low paying southern Pizza and Pete bowls. This bowl has been more successful then both of those bowls put together and pays more than those two crap bowls put to gether. Twist it what ever way you want and the discussion has been straight forward and "MATURE" through each and every post.

I do not twist anything. My posts deal in facts. You still have not explained why Ken Hoffman and his backers in Toronto would sign a deal for Big East #7 when such a team MIGHT be available once every four years, and only if Notre Dame takes the Champs Bowl, while knowing they would have to fly in a Sun Belt #4 type of replacement the remainder of the time. It does not make sense for them.

Now, as far as the Papa John's Bowl and St. Petersburg Bowl are concerned, there are several reasons why the Big East is more interested in going there. The Papa John's Bowl is supposedly raising its payout to $1.2 million, which is higher than Toronto, and is working out a better deal as far as the SEC opponent is concerned ... while St. Petersburg is in Florida and has a similar payout to Toronto.

I have said in previous posts that if the Pizza raised the payout to 1.2 mil I would favor it over the International. Also, I remember that you said there was no way that the Pizza was going "quadruple their payment to to 1.2 in the next contract" as I brought it up in previous my posts. Your changing your mind now for the sake of a dispute in opinions I see. As for the actual Pete payout it was brought to this board's attention in a previous post that their actual payout last year was 350k and not the advertised 1 million. The International bowl has been a successful bowl and a good bowl partner for the BE for a lower tier team and has strongly supported the BE when bowls were needed for teams with winning records or 6 & 6 records when they would have sat home. I say sign them to the same muliple agrreement that the SEC is doing on rotating basis with their 7, 8, and 9 teams. If the Pizza and does not come up with the promised SEC opponent or the 1.2 mil payout then drop them to the bottom of the selection list for our bowl eligible teams. The same with the Pete Bowl if they do not come across with the 1 million dollar promised payout too, even though we already know the opponent is a CUSA team which I have no problem with as a pre Christmas Bowl. Once again show me the money and show me the SEC opponent or keep the International and drop the Pizza to the seventh bowl slot as the BE needs 7 bowls with ND in the mix. There is no reason that the BE cannot oversign their bowl committement contracts if they qualify for those contracts just like other BCS conferences such as the SEC, ACC, B-10 and B-12. If you don't fill the lowest contracted bowl it can go to the back up conference or to an at large team. Its better to have enough guaranteed bowls for your bowl eligible teams down through the 6&6 teams and the year ND knocks the BE teams down a bowl when they take our top bowl, then not have enough bowl committements, and have to go scrounging for large bids that may or may not be there when the bowl season begins.

If is a BIG word, panite. Since they haven't rasied the payout, this argument is rediculous, and your continuation of the argument sounds extremely stupid...

(11-08-2009 10:14 AM)panite Wrote:  I have said in previous posts that if the Pizza raised the payout to 1.2 mil I would favor it over the International. Also, I remember that you said there was no way that the Pizza was going "quadruple their payment to to 1.2 in the next contract" as I brought it up in previous my posts. Your changing your mind now for the sake of a dispute in opinions I see. As for the actual Pete payout it was brought to this board's attention in a previous post that their actual payout last year was 350k and not the advertised 1 million. The International bowl has been a successful bowl and a good bowl partner for the BE for a lower tier team and has strongly supported the BE when bowls were needed for teams with winning records or 6 & 6 records when they would have sat home. I say sign them to the same muliple agrreement that the SEC is doing on rotating basis with their 7, 8, and 9 teams. If the Pizza and does not come up with the promised SEC opponent or the 1.2 mil payout then drop them to the bottom of the selection list for our bowl eligible teams. The same with the Pete Bowl if they do not come across with the 1 million dollar promised payout too, even though we already know the opponent is a CUSA team which I have no problem with as a pre Christmas Bowl. Once again show me the money and show me the SEC opponent or keep the International and drop the Pizza to the seventh bowl slot as the BE needs 7 bowls with ND in the mix. There is no reason that the BE cannot oversign their bowl committement contracts if they qualify for those contracts just like other BCS conferences such as the SEC, ACC, B-10 and B-12. If you don't fill the lowest contracted bowl it can go to the back up conference or to an at large team. Its better to have enough guaranteed bowls for your bowl eligible teams down through the 6&6 teams and the year ND knocks the BE teams down a bowl when they take our top bowl, then not have enough bowl committements, and have to go scrounging for large bids that may or may not be there when the bowl season begins.

My previous posts actually said there is no way the Papa John's Bowl will quadruple its payment without being guaranteed a better shot at getting SEC teams every year. It is so amazing when full sentences are used rather than little cherry-picked bits and pieces of a complete paragraph. Stupid arguments with you are not worth changing anything over. As far as the St. Petersburg Bowl goes, I stated repeatedly that I wanted them to sign Big 12 #8 rather than CUSA, or else I would prefer the International Bowl. The Big East, however, has decided otherwise.

Notre Dame is only part of one bowl deal for only one possible year -- the Champs -- and the bar for them to take it is very high. They can't touch the others at all. Oversigning bowls beyond what a conference has averaged for the last four years will not be allowed by the NCAA during the next bowl cycle so, since the Big East only averages six bowl teams per year, no such option exists for the league. John Marinatto has already said several times that the Big East is only signing six bowl deals and the league office is currently hammering out the final contracts.

(11-08-2009 10:49 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  If is a BIG word, panite. Since they haven't rasied the payout, this argument is rediculous, and your continuation of the argument sounds extremely stupid...

So is 98% of the sarcastic bull$h.... that you put on this board..........

(11-08-2009 10:15 PM)Krocker Krapp Wrote:  

(11-08-2009 10:14 AM)panite Wrote:  I have said in previous posts that if the Pizza raised the payout to 1.2 mil I would favor it over the International. Also, I remember that you said there was no way that the Pizza was going "quadruple their payment to to 1.2 in the next contract" as I brought it up in previous my posts. Your changing your mind now for the sake of a dispute in opinions I see. As for the actual Pete payout it was brought to this board's attention in a previous post that their actual payout last year was 350k and not the advertised 1 million. The International bowl has been a successful bowl and a good bowl partner for the BE for a lower tier team and has strongly supported the BE when bowls were needed for teams with winning records or 6 & 6 records when they would have sat home. I say sign them to the same muliple agrreement that the SEC is doing on rotating basis with their 7, 8, and 9 teams. If the Pizza and does not come up with the promised SEC opponent or the 1.2 mil payout then drop them to the bottom of the selection list for our bowl eligible teams. The same with the Pete Bowl if they do not come across with the 1 million dollar promised payout too, even though we already know the opponent is a CUSA team which I have no problem with as a pre Christmas Bowl. Once again show me the money and show me the SEC opponent or keep the International and drop the Pizza to the seventh bowl slot as the BE needs 7 bowls with ND in the mix. There is no reason that the BE cannot oversign their bowl committement contracts if they qualify for those contracts just like other BCS conferences such as the SEC, ACC, B-10 and B-12. If you don't fill the lowest contracted bowl it can go to the back up conference or to an at large team. Its better to have enough guaranteed bowls for your bowl eligible teams down through the 6&6 teams and the year ND knocks the BE teams down a bowl when they take our top bowl, then not have enough bowl committements, and have to go scrounging for large bids that may or may not be there when the bowl season begins.

My previous posts actually said there is no way the Papa John's Bowl will quadruple its payment without being guaranteed a better shot at getting SEC teams every year. It is so amazing when full sentences are used rather than little cherry-picked bits and pieces of a complete paragraph. Stupid arguments with you are not worth changing anything over. As far as the St. Petersburg Bowl goes, I stated repeatedly that I wanted them to sign Big 12 #8 rather than CUSA, or else I would prefer the International Bowl. The Big East, however, has decided otherwise.

Notre Dame is only part of one bowl deal for only one possible year -- the Champs -- and the bar for them to take it is very high. They can't touch the others at all. Oversigning bowls beyond what a conference has averaged for the last four years will not be allowed by the NCAA during the next bowl cycle so, since the Big East only averages six bowl teams per year, no such option exists for the league. John Marinatto has already said several times that the Big East is only signing six bowl deals and the league office is currently hammering out the final contracts.

You can continue to turn and twist your statements any way you want but you have been very explicit and down on the Pizza raising their payout on this board, the Cusa board, and the Mac board when I first posted that the Pizza might go to 1.2 million. You have only changed your arguement for the sake of this discussion on this thread with in the last couple of days for the sake of arguing. Sign all seven bowl agreements I say and put the Pizza and the the St Pete bowls on the bottom of the list until those in charge deliver on their promises and show the BE the opponents they promise and the the money they claim to offer. Until then the rotation for the lower tier BE bowls should be.............

INTERNATIONAL $$$$$$$$$$
ST PETE
PIZZA

(11-09-2009 01:56 AM)panite Wrote:  

(11-08-2009 10:49 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  If is a BIG word, panite. Since they haven't rasied the payout, this argument is rediculous, and your continuation of the argument sounds extremely stupid...

So is 98% of the sarcastic bull$h.... that you put on this board..........

Which puts me 2% higher than you. Nothing you say is worth reading...

Panite, for the last time, I am not twisting anything. Stop making accusations and read exactly what people are saying. I posted on all those boards you list that the Papa John's Bowl will not quadruple its payout UNLESS it is guaranteed a better shot at the SEC. That is exactly what I posted so you need to chill out with the false accusations.

As far as the Big East signing seven bowl deals goes, once again, it will not be allowed by the NCAA during the upcoming bowl cycle. That is why the league office has been explicit about publicly saying that they will only be signing six bowl deals. NCAA rules will not allow them to sign a seventh postseason contract for the 2010-2013 seasons.

Calm down people!

I'm calm. I took my medications on time today...
the phenobarbitol works great for that...