If we finished 12-0 or if UC finished 12-0, there has been some talk that neither we nor the bearcats would play in the NC game. I think that is really unfair and it does lead to the question, why are we in the Big East? I really could care less if we played in a BCS bowl game that is not the championship game if we finish 12-0. If a Big East team finishes 12-0, why should we get the MWC / Utah treatment? I know the Big East still has some respect issues with the national media and gets criticized because we only have 7 conference games and no championship game, but come on, the BCS championship game seems to only be set up to match teams from the SEC, Big 12, Big 10, PAC 10 or ACC. I know it is too early to start this talk, but it is in the mind of a lot of Big East ADs and fans. Also, why are the requirements for the Big East to go undefeated but an SEC or Big 12 school can play in the championship game with one or even two loses? Going undefeated is basically the same requirement for schools from the MWC, CUSA, and WAC.

Too early for this to be even discussed. When and if either UC or USF stands at 10-0 then we can discuss the issue

(10-04-2009 05:55 PM)MiamiBull2 Wrote:  If we finished 12-0 or if UC finished 12-0, there has been some talk that neither we nor the bearcats would play in the NC game. I think that is really unfair and it does lead to the question, why are we in the Big East? I really could care less if we played in a BCS bowl game that is not the championship game if we finish 12-0. If a Big East team finishes 12-0, why should we get the MWC / Utah treatment? I know the Big East still has some respect issues with the national media and gets criticized because we only have 7 conference games and no championship game, but come on, the BCS championship game seems to only be set up to match teams from the SEC, Big 12, Big 10, PAC 10 or ACC. I know it is too early to start this talk, but it is in the mind of a lot of Big East ADs and fans. Also, why are the requirements for the Big East to go undefeated but an SEC or Big 12 school can play in the championship game with one or even two loses? Going undefeated is basically the same requirement for schools from the MWC, CUSA, and WAC.

I think you're a bit worried about nothing. If USF goes 12-0 you go to the title game. That means you knocked off teams that were ranked FSU, CINCY and Miami. But I'm really seeing how tradition in FB taints reality. People are talking up Miami as a top ten and a title contender. Yea they beat Okl- (by one point on their home gridiron and Okl was playing without their starting QB.) One point win is hardly a murder.
They beat FSU- but so did USF and Boston College and probably a bunch of other teams as the season rolls on.
They beat Ga. Tech.- Good win for UM- so far.
But they lost to Va. Tech- and Alabama spanked VT.
But the odd thing is that even ACC fans are talking up Miami and over VT and VT beat Miami. Miami can't even win the ACC coastal unless VT takes two losses.
So yea there is some favoritism given to traditonal powers and personally, I think all the hype over Miami is good for USF. When you kick their A$$ the whole world will be watching. ANd kick it good-too. No one point crap like they did with Okl. So yea, go undefeated and you'll get the title game. But first you have to get past CIncy and BE. DO that and you won't be denied.

P.S. a few years back (2004) Auburn was undefeated amd ranked #2 in the polls and was denied a shot at the BCS title-- so times do change.

(10-04-2009 04:11 PM)CD11 Wrote:  

(10-04-2009 04:06 PM)Sandiss Wrote:  If UC goes undefeated, many are saying that they will still not play in the BCS NC game. No respect for the Big East, just no respect.

If that's what happens, and it's not UF-Texas in the NCG, then I'm going to have an extremely hard time understanding why we're even in the BCS. I was under the impression that being in an AQ conference in the BCS meant we qualified to be in the national title game.

If Cincy goes unbeaten and loses a title-game shot to a one-loss team, it will be because of their SOS, which is likely to be bad. They just did not schedule tough OOC competition.

(10-04-2009 06:08 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Too early for this to be even discussed. When and if either UC or USF stands at 10-0 then we can discuss the issue

Agree. Get back to me in November with this issue if UC or South Florida is 10-0.

(10-04-2009 06:55 PM)frogman Wrote:  

(10-04-2009 05:55 PM)MiamiBull2 Wrote:  If we finished 12-0 or if UC finished 12-0, there has been some talk that neither we nor the bearcats would play in the NC game. I think that is really unfair and it does lead to the question, why are we in the Big East? I really could care less if we played in a BCS bowl game that is not the championship game if we finish 12-0. If a Big East team finishes 12-0, why should we get the MWC / Utah treatment? I know the Big East still has some respect issues with the national media and gets criticized because we only have 7 conference games and no championship game, but come on, the BCS championship game seems to only be set up to match teams from the SEC, Big 12, Big 10, PAC 10 or ACC. I know it is too early to start this talk, but it is in the mind of a lot of Big East ADs and fans. Also, why are the requirements for the Big East to go undefeated but an SEC or Big 12 school can play in the championship game with one or even two loses? Going undefeated is basically the same requirement for schools from the MWC, CUSA, and WAC.

I think you're a bit worried about nothing. If USF goes 12-0 you go to the title game. That means you knocked off teams that were ranked FSU, CINCY and Miami. But I'm really seeing how tradition in FB taints reality. People are talking up Miami as a top ten and a title contender. Yea they beat Okl- (by one point on their home gridiron and Okl was playing without their starting QB.) One point win is hardly a murder.
They beat FSU- but so did USF and Boston College and probably a bunch of other teams as the season rolls on.
They beat Ga. Tech.- Good win for UM- so far.
But they lost to Va. Tech- and Alabama spanked VT.
But the odd thing is that even ACC fans are talking up Miami and over VT and VT beat Miami. Miami can't even win the ACC coastal unless VT takes two losses.
So yea there is some favoritism given to traditonal powers and personally, I think all the hype over Miami is good for USF. When you kick their A$$ the whole world will be watching. ANd kick it good-too. No one point crap like they did with Okl. So yea, go undefeated and you'll get the title game. But first you have to get past CIncy and BE. DO that and you won't be denied.

P.S. a few years back (2004) Auburn was undefeated amd ranked #2 in the polls and was denied a shot at the BCS title-- so times do change.

I believe in 2004 Auburn was actually #3, behind USC and Oklahoma. That's why I added the caveat of UF and Texas losing before I'd be mad about a potential NCG snub for Cincy - I was thinking back to 2004, where Auburn was indeed undefeated, but USC and OU had been 1-2 all season, so Auburn was basically the odd man out even though they probably would've given the Trojans a better game than the Sooners did.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/rank...04/week/16

(10-04-2009 07:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If Cincy goes unbeaten and loses a title-game shot to a one-loss team, it will be because of their SOS, which is likely to be bad. They just did not schedule tough OOC competition.

Coming from a USF fan...

(10-04-2009 07:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-04-2009 04:11 PM)CD11 Wrote:  

(10-04-2009 04:06 PM)Sandiss Wrote:  If UC goes undefeated, many are saying that they will still not play in the BCS NC game. No respect for the Big East, just no respect.

If that's what happens, and it's not UF-Texas in the NCG, then I'm going to have an extremely hard time understanding why we're even in the BCS. I was under the impression that being in an AQ conference in the BCS meant we qualified to be in the national title game.

If Cincy goes unbeaten and loses a title-game shot to a one-loss team, it will be because of their SOS, which is likely to be bad. They just did not schedule tough OOC competition.

(10-04-2009 07:45 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-04-2009 07:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If Cincy goes unbeaten and loses a title-game shot to a one-loss team, it will be because of their SOS, which is likely to be bad. They just did not schedule tough OOC competition.

Coming from a USF fan...

Have your seen the non-conference schedules for Texas and Florida? Somehow I don't think they will prevent the Longhorns or Gators from playing in the national championship game. If a team from the Big East goes undefeated and does not play in the championship game, it will be because of the disrepectful way in which Big East football gets treated, not out of conference schedules.

First, I don't think it is going to happen (going 12-0). The BE is too tough. But, if USF, goes 12-0 they WILL be in NC game mark it down. How can I be so confident? Let's take a closer look. First, a 10-0 USF would be in the top 10, probably top 5. My guess is around 4th to 5th. but, guess what, we get to play another probable top 10 Miami that everyone wants to annoint and says the swagger is back at the U. We get them at home, a possible win there. That would be enough to help put us over the hump to the #2 or 3 spot. Then with all the teams falling by the wayside the last couple weeks, I would think we're in if we somehow got by UConn. Bottom line is, for USF, the Miami game would come at a great time.

(10-04-2009 07:45 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-04-2009 07:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If Cincy goes unbeaten and loses a title-game shot to a one-loss team, it will be because of their SOS, which is likely to be bad. They just did not schedule tough OOC competition.

Coming from a USF fan...

Let's see. FSU #18 when we played and Miami, probable top 10 when we play. The other 3 I will give you, but you can't play all tough games. How many other BCS teams play 2 top 25 teams ooc.

dude fsu is efing overrated...let's be flippin honest. it was a huge win and I loved it but come on. Oregon st would kick fsu's ass

(10-04-2009 07:45 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-04-2009 07:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If Cincy goes unbeaten and loses a title-game shot to a one-loss team, it will be because of their SOS, which is likely to be bad. They just did not schedule tough OOC competition.

Coming from a USF fan...

USF scheduled FSU and Miami. That's credible OOC scheduling, even if FSU is down. If we can beat Miami, that will be a very nice feather in the cap to impress pollsters. Cincy just doesn't have that on their schedule.

(10-04-2009 07:52 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  First, I don't think it is going to happen (going 12-0). The BE is too tough. But, if USF, goes 12-0 they WILL be in NC game mark it down.

Yes, because of our OOC scheduling, we would make it. But not Cincinnati.

(10-04-2009 09:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-04-2009 07:45 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-04-2009 07:01 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If Cincy goes unbeaten and loses a title-game shot to a one-loss team, it will be because of their SOS, which is likely to be bad. They just did not schedule tough OOC competition.

Coming from a USF fan...

USF scheduled FSU and Miami. That's credible OOC scheduling, even if FSU is down. If we can beat Miami, that will be a very nice feather in the cap to impress pollsters. Cincy just doesn't have that on their schedule.

well....OSU is on the sched for 2012.....as is VaTech and Miami.....
but our ooc schedule of Fresno St and Oregon state has, as a whole been better than yours so far....minuse fsu, you've played NOBODY

(10-04-2009 09:24 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  well....OSU is on the sched for 2012.....as is VaTech and Miami.....
but our ooc schedule of Fresno St and Oregon state has, as a whole been better than yours so far....minuse fsu, you've played NOBODY

Those are exactly the kinds of games you need ... but they aren't on the schedule this year.

As for right now, you're right, but we're not talking right now, we're talking hypothetical 12-0 for each team.

It would definitely be better for the Big East's chances of making the title game if USF, not Cincy, goes unbeaten. All Big East fans should therefore send LOTS OF POSITIVE karma our way in about 11 days. :)

UC has Illinois still to go on the schedule... which is probably comparable to Florida State. You played Wofford, Western Kentucky, and Charleston Southern to start the season. Sorry, that is not exactly a great schedule.

UC's OOC schedule:
SE Missouri State
Oregon State
Fresno State
Miami (Ohio)
Illinois

USF's OOC schedule:
Wofford
Western Kentucky
Charleston Southern
Florida State
Miami (Fl.)

You have 3 no-name terrible teams. You have 1 overrated school that almost lost to Jacksonville State. Granted, they have 1 decent win, BYU. The rest of the season will decide just how much FSU counts for you. Then you have Miami, no doubt the best OOC game among the two teams.

SOS between both schedules? It will be very close because of USF playing 3 terrible teams, 2 of which are not even in the FBS division (seriously, 2 D1-AA schools?). You have to hope that Miami doesn't fold down the stretch, not to mention hope that FSU comes back to play well in the ACC.

hey usf...your ONE good OOC game is vs Miami....which you haven't played yet.....sorry but the rest of your ooc sched sucks.......besides that, you have the Cats coming to town soon and you better damn well be worring about this game...you haven't exactly tore up the BE the past three years....

(10-04-2009 09:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-04-2009 09:24 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  well....OSU is on the sched for 2012.....as is VaTech and Miami.....
but our ooc schedule of Fresno St and Oregon state has, as a whole been better than yours so far....minuse fsu, you've played NOBODY

Those are exactly the kinds of games you need ... but they aren't on the schedule this year.

As for right now, you're right, but we're not talking right now, we're talking hypothetical 12-0 for each team.

It would definitely be better for the Big East's chances of making the title game if USF, not Cincy, goes unbeaten. All Big East fans should therefore send LOTS OF POSITIVE karma our way in about 11 days. :)

USF will get no pos. karma....you will however get Pike's right arm and the backside of Marshwn Gilyard and company....suck it

(10-04-2009 02:08 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  We're ranked ahead of Ohio State for the first time in our history. The Bearcats are making a lot of history the last 3 years!

Congrats