This thread was linked on the AGS (1-AA/FCS) Board and I found this input by a Missouri State fan hilarious; he is clueless:

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/sh...hp?t=62290

In the last few weeks, there's been fans from other possible institutions looking at the SBC - namely Texas St-San Marcos - that have made appearances and pleaded their school's case to the SBC fan base.

MSUBear42 response: Which is funny because they (SBC fans) all want Missouri State to join the SBC, but we don't want anything to do with them, even if it did mean finally moving up.

The SBC has offered, in each of the last 11 years, for MSU to join, but our prez and AD have repeatedly said no.

Of course those teams can sit their and talk. They don't have to prove it.

It's easy to talk about what you would do. It's another thing to do it.

(08-15-2009 08:11 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 07:06 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 06:06 PM)theboro Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 03:44 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 02:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 02:23 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 01:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 11:06 AM)theboro Wrote:  Statesboro's still pretty remote

Not to mention the fact that if you ever want to make a strip to Stateboro you need to stock up on penicillin before you go...

Just stay out of the strip clubs and you won't need penicillin.

I don't know... in Statesboro I get the same kind of "airborne STD" vibe I get in Panama City.

If I was a MTSU fan I would be against GSU as well. MTSU took a lot of beatdowns from GSU back when we were a much smaller school. Also since MTSU depends on athletes from GA so much you would be on hard times having to fight among 4 FBS schools in the talent deprived state of Tenn. Right now you have more scholarship players from GA than your home state....never a good recipe for success.

I notice you really didn't respond to the stuff about the athletic budget, facilities and support system.

You wanna argue those?

Doesn't La Monroe or Lafayette......hard to keep track of which is which have a $7 million budget? Are they going to be booted out based on your opinion of the minimum requirements? From the way you talk it sounds like you need a $20 mil budget. Isn't Troy at $13 mil? It wouldn't take much for GSU to get there and beyond.

Gee, and you call yourself informed? Louisiana's budget is slightly over 13 mil this season and led the SBC in football attendance in 2008. So why would we be getting the boot?

Must be some bad info in this article then. "UL-Lafayette’s athletic budget is approximately $10 million, while ULM’s budget is less than $8 million."

http://www.jonesborosun.com/archived_story.php?ID=38547

(08-15-2009 10:19 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 08:11 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 07:06 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 06:06 PM)theboro Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 03:44 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 02:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 02:23 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 01:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 11:06 AM)theboro Wrote:  Statesboro's still pretty remote

Not to mention the fact that if you ever want to make a strip to Stateboro you need to stock up on penicillin before you go...

Just stay out of the strip clubs and you won't need penicillin.

I don't know... in Statesboro I get the same kind of "airborne STD" vibe I get in Panama City.

If I was a MTSU fan I would be against GSU as well. MTSU took a lot of beatdowns from GSU back when we were a much smaller school. Also since MTSU depends on athletes from GA so much you would be on hard times having to fight among 4 FBS schools in the talent deprived state of Tenn. Right now you have more scholarship players from GA than your home state....never a good recipe for success.

I notice you really didn't respond to the stuff about the athletic budget, facilities and support system.

You wanna argue those?

Doesn't La Monroe or Lafayette......hard to keep track of which is which have a $7 million budget? Are they going to be booted out based on your opinion of the minimum requirements? From the way you talk it sounds like you need a $20 mil budget. Isn't Troy at $13 mil? It wouldn't take much for GSU to get there and beyond.

Gee, and you call yourself informed? Louisiana's budget is slightly over 13 mil this season and led the SBC in football attendance in 2008. So why would we be getting the boot?

Must be some bad info in this article then. "UL-Lafayette’s athletic budget is approximately $10 million, while ULM’s budget is less than $8 million."

http://www.jonesborosun.com/archived_story.php?ID=38547

Old news story, 13 mil this year. Either way it was not 7 or 8 mil.

(08-15-2009 10:26 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 10:19 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 08:11 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 07:06 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 06:06 PM)theboro Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 03:44 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 02:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 02:23 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 01:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 11:06 AM)theboro Wrote:  Statesboro's still pretty remote

Not to mention the fact that if you ever want to make a strip to Stateboro you need to stock up on penicillin before you go...

Just stay out of the strip clubs and you won't need penicillin.

I don't know... in Statesboro I get the same kind of "airborne STD" vibe I get in Panama City.

If I was a MTSU fan I would be against GSU as well. MTSU took a lot of beatdowns from GSU back when we were a much smaller school. Also since MTSU depends on athletes from GA so much you would be on hard times having to fight among 4 FBS schools in the talent deprived state of Tenn. Right now you have more scholarship players from GA than your home state....never a good recipe for success.

I notice you really didn't respond to the stuff about the athletic budget, facilities and support system.

You wanna argue those?

Doesn't La Monroe or Lafayette......hard to keep track of which is which have a $7 million budget? Are they going to be booted out based on your opinion of the minimum requirements? From the way you talk it sounds like you need a $20 mil budget. Isn't Troy at $13 mil? It wouldn't take much for GSU to get there and beyond.

Gee, and you call yourself informed? Louisiana's budget is slightly over 13 mil this season and led the SBC in football attendance in 2008. So why would we be getting the boot?

Must be some bad info in this article then. "UL-Lafayette’s athletic budget is approximately $10 million, while ULM’s budget is less than $8 million."

http://www.jonesborosun.com/archived_story.php?ID=38547

Old news story, 13 mil this year. Either way it was not 7 or 8 mil.

Hmmm It was dated June 10, 2009. You must have even newer info.... a booster agree to donate $6 million a year or something like that?

MODERATOR - ISN'T IT TIME TO MOVE THIS THREAD TO THE AREA 51 BOARD ?

This discussion is going nowhere. Every argument turns into a hypothetical dick measuring contest.

Many people are of the opinion that GSU/App. St./TX St./UTSA/MSU would bring little to nothing to the current SBC.

GSU/App. St./TX St./UTSA/MSU fans disagree. . .

Now that we've settled that, just cool your keyboards for a month, and you'll have something else that's worthwhile to talk about again.

(08-15-2009 10:41 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  This discussion is going nowhere. Every argument turns into a hypothetical dick measuring contest.

Many people are of the opinion that GSU/App. St./TX St./UTSA/MSU would bring little to nothing to the current SBC.

GSU/App. St./TX St./UTSA/MSU fans disagree. . .

Now that we've settled that, just cool your keyboards for a month, and you'll have something else that's worthwhile to talk about again.

We will (FBS schools).
They won't (FCS schools)

(08-15-2009 10:43 PM)theboro Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 10:41 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  This discussion is going nowhere. Every argument turns into a hypothetical dick measuring contest.

Many people are of the opinion that GSU/App. St./TX St./UTSA/MSU would bring little to nothing to the current SBC.

GSU/App. St./TX St./UTSA/MSU fans disagree. . .

Now that we've settled that, just cool your keyboards for a month, and you'll have something else that's worthwhile to talk about again.

We will (FBS schools).
They won't (FCS schools)

Hell, be glad I started this thread....it has had more action than any on this board in a L-O-N-G time.......I am sure the moderator is loving it.

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I like the SB as a non BCS-FBS conference and have watched it anxiously from it's first football days. It is a growing (very slowly) conference that has done some good things.

I think the real vibe I am getting on this thread from the Sun Belt folks is that they do not want any new members unless they add revenue. There are two big holes and one extra problem to this line of thinking.

1) The only schools that would ad revenue the the SB are folks that would make the Sun belt a four bid conference in the NCAA tourney. No one that could make the NCAA's every season would ever or will ever join the sunbelt. That would be a school like Memphis.

This will never happen.

2) Unless the sunbelt adds teams and makes two divisions, it may not survive as it is known right now. The economic pressures of these young programs is immense.

The extra problem (and this is the biggee) is that no respectable athletic program has entered or ever will enter the SB with dreams and desires to stay. THE SB AS WE KNOW IT WILL NOT EXIST IN 7-9 YEARS.[b][i][u] The SB will be looking for members to replace the jumpers.

The comments on this board have been very clanish and loyal but the truth is every school in the belt and every school that has done a feasibility study looking to move up looks at the SB only as a stepping stone.

Since GSU and ASU are the two 1aa's mentioned we can look at them. GSU and ASU would have no monetary problems with a move to the SB.

Both have Football attendance that would put them in the upper level of the SB attendance and this is without the quality teams of the SB coming to visit them.

GSU has improved booster contributions 50% just by doing the study. ASU has a budget larger thanGSU's and some 1a's. Both could be on the budget level as Southern Miss with 2 $1,000,000 OOC games a year and a $20 increase per semester in student fees.

In the laws of large numbers, that is not really a big deal and having lower level FCS facilities and budgets is really not that inconceiveble.

Weird how everyone wants to halt talking on the subject when the truth about athletic budgets came out. And FCS schools will have something to look forward to: a PLAYOFF. But that's another subject entirely...

I, on the other hand, am stuck waiting for basketball season, because we don't even have a football team yet, dammit!

(08-15-2009 10:41 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  This discussion is going nowhere. Every argument turns into a hypothetical dick measuring contest.

Many people are of the opinion that GSU/App. St./TX St./UTSA/MSU would bring little to nothing to the current SBC.

GSU/App. St./TX St./UTSA/MSU fans disagree. . .

Now that we've settled that, just cool your keyboards for a month, and you'll have something else that's worthwhile to talk about again.

It appears that some on this board would rate the conference just below the ACC or something. According to the Sagarin ratings the FCS Colonial Athletic Association plays tougher football and the SB is just ahead of the SOCON.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/f...titialskip

Go back to 2007 and the SOCON and CAA are rated higher than the SB. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm

I think the SB is a growing conference that will continue to improve each year and pass conferences such as the MAC, WAC etc. But some on here act like the differnce between Ark St and App St is like the difference between Alabama and App St. Not the case.

(08-15-2009 10:51 PM)SunBelt Watcher Wrote:  [/align][align=justify]

I like the SB as a non BCS-FBS conference and have watched it anxiously from it's first football days. It is a growing (very slowly) conference that has done some good things.

I think the real vibe I am getting on this thread from the Sun Belt folks is that they do not want any new members unless they add revenue. There are two big holes and one extra problem to this line of thinking.

1) The only schools that would ad revenue the the SB are folks that would make the Sun belt a four bid conference in the NCAA tourney. No one that could make the NCAA's every season would ever or will ever join the sunbelt. That would be a school like Memphis.

This will never happen.

2) Unless the sunbelt adds teams and makes two divisions, it may not survive as it is known right now. The economic pressures of these young programs is immense.

The extra problem (and this is the biggee) is that no respectable athletic program has entered or ever will enter the SB with dreams and desires to stay. THE SB AS WE KNOW IT WILL NOT EXIST IN 7-9 YEARS.[b][i][u] The SB will be looking for members to replace the jumpers.

The comments on this board have been very clanish and loyal but the truth is every school in the belt and every school that has done a feasibility study looking to move up looks at the SB only as a stepping stone.

Since GSU and ASU are the two 1aa's mentioned we can look at them. GSU and ASU would have no monetary problems with a move to the SB.

Both have Football attendance that would put them in the upper level of the SB attendance and this is without the quality teams of the SB coming to visit them.

GSU has improved booster contributions 50% just by doing the study. ASU has a budget larger thanGSU's and some 1a's. Both could be on the budget level as Southern Miss with 2 $1,000,000 OOC games a year and a $20 increase per semester in student fees.

In the laws of large numbers, that is not really a big deal and having lower level FCS facilities and budgets is really not that inconceiveble.

Very well put!

(08-15-2009 10:29 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 10:26 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 10:19 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 08:11 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 07:06 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 06:06 PM)theboro Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 03:44 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 02:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 02:23 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 01:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 11:06 AM)theboro Wrote:  Statesboro's still pretty remote

Not to mention the fact that if you ever want to make a strip to Stateboro you need to stock up on penicillin before you go...

Just stay out of the strip clubs and you won't need penicillin.

I don't know... in Statesboro I get the same kind of "airborne STD" vibe I get in Panama City.

If I was a MTSU fan I would be against GSU as well. MTSU took a lot of beatdowns from GSU back when we were a much smaller school. Also since MTSU depends on athletes from GA so much you would be on hard times having to fight among 4 FBS schools in the talent deprived state of Tenn. Right now you have more scholarship players from GA than your home state....never a good recipe for success.

I notice you really didn't respond to the stuff about the athletic budget, facilities and support system.

You wanna argue those?

Doesn't La Monroe or Lafayette......hard to keep track of which is which have a $7 million budget? Are they going to be booted out based on your opinion of the minimum requirements? From the way you talk it sounds like you need a $20 mil budget. Isn't Troy at $13 mil? It wouldn't take much for GSU to get there and beyond.

Gee, and you call yourself informed? Louisiana's budget is slightly over 13 mil this season and led the SBC in football attendance in 2008. So why would we be getting the boot?

Must be some bad info in this article then. "UL-Lafayette’s athletic budget is approximately $10 million, while ULM’s budget is less than $8 million."

http://www.jonesborosun.com/archived_story.php?ID=38547

Old news story, 13 mil this year. Either way it was not 7 or 8 mil.

Hmmm It was dated June 10, 2009. You must have even newer info.... a booster agree to donate $6 million a year or something like that?

Nope, 2.5mil to 3 mil comes from Institutional support. And yes, I do have more recent info since I'm involved in some fundraising athletics.

(08-15-2009 11:08 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 10:29 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 10:26 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 10:19 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 08:11 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 07:06 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 06:06 PM)theboro Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 03:44 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 02:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 02:23 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 01:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 11:06 AM)theboro Wrote:  Statesboro's still pretty remote

Not to mention the fact that if you ever want to make a strip to Stateboro you need to stock up on penicillin before you go...

Just stay out of the strip clubs and you won't need penicillin.

I don't know... in Statesboro I get the same kind of "airborne STD" vibe I get in Panama City.

If I was a MTSU fan I would be against GSU as well. MTSU took a lot of beatdowns from GSU back when we were a much smaller school. Also since MTSU depends on athletes from GA so much you would be on hard times having to fight among 4 FBS schools in the talent deprived state of Tenn. Right now you have more scholarship players from GA than your home state....never a good recipe for success.

I notice you really didn't respond to the stuff about the athletic budget, facilities and support system.

You wanna argue those?

Doesn't La Monroe or Lafayette......hard to keep track of which is which have a $7 million budget? Are they going to be booted out based on your opinion of the minimum requirements? From the way you talk it sounds like you need a $20 mil budget. Isn't Troy at $13 mil? It wouldn't take much for GSU to get there and beyond.

Gee, and you call yourself informed? Louisiana's budget is slightly over 13 mil this season and led the SBC in football attendance in 2008. So why would we be getting the boot?

Must be some bad info in this article then. "UL-Lafayette’s athletic budget is approximately $10 million, while ULM’s budget is less than $8 million."

http://www.jonesborosun.com/archived_story.php?ID=38547

Old news story, 13 mil this year. Either way it was not 7 or 8 mil.

Hmmm It was dated June 10, 2009. You must have even newer info.... a booster agree to donate $6 million a year or something like that?

Nope, 2.5mil to 3 mil comes from Institutional support. And yes, I do have more recent info since I'm involved in some fundraising athletics.

If that is the case that money should have been part of the less than 8 mil the writer covering the SB members convention had written but let's say the writer left it out.

so from your post ULM = less than 8 mil plus 2.5 mil = 10 mil. GSU budget = shade under 10 mil. ASU budget = shade under 13 mil.

looks really competitive on the surface.

(08-15-2009 10:57 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 10:41 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  This discussion is going nowhere. Every argument turns into a hypothetical dick measuring contest.

Many people are of the opinion that GSU/App. St./TX St./UTSA/MSU would bring little to nothing to the current SBC.

GSU/App. St./TX St./UTSA/MSU fans disagree. . .

Now that we've settled that, just cool your keyboards for a month, and you'll have something else that's worthwhile to talk about again.

It appears that some on this board would rate the conference just below the ACC or something. According to the Sagarin ratings the FCS Colonial Athletic Association plays tougher football and the SB is just ahead of the SOCON.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/f...titialskip

Go back to 2007 and the SOCON and CAA are rated higher than the SB. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm

I think the SB is a growing conference that will continue to improve each year and pass conferences such as the MAC, WAC etc. But some on here act like the differnce between Ark St and App St is like the difference between Alabama and App St. Not the case.

I dont care what those polls say. No 1AA conference is tougher than the Sun Belt. The top 6 or 7 teams in the Sun Belt would win any 1AA conference any year fairly easily. I dont care that appy state beat one sucky 1A Michigan team in like a 150 tries.

Just forget GSU Eagles, the guy can't take being proved wrong. When called out for no responding to the budget comments, he comes back uninformed. When I called him out for saying that "GSU gave MTSU some beatdowns" and I showed that GSU may have a measly 6-4 advantage but MTSU was the one giving beatdowns as we won 3 of the 4 games that were decided by more than 10 points, he has nothing to say.

The guy obviously loves his team, just like all of us, and I don't fault him for that, but this conversation is clearly going nowhere. As I said, he asked for our opinions, we gave them and now it's time to move on.

(08-15-2009 05:11 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 02:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 02:23 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 01:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 11:06 AM)theboro Wrote:  Statesboro's still pretty remote

Not to mention the fact that if you ever want to make a strip to Stateboro you need to stock up on penicillin before you go...

Just stay out of the strip clubs and you won't need penicillin.

I don't know... in Statesboro I get the same kind of "airborne STD" vibe I get in Panama City.

Wow...for a fan of a school whose teams haven't done squat in the past millennia you sure talk a lot of smack. Hell neither has my team (we don't even have football), but I'm not on here running my mouth.

How about you show some respect to the GSU fans? We give you the respect you deserve. You can disagree but how about we keep it respectful? Especially since neither you nor I have a track record to stand on? Really, the only ones who do are Troy in football and WKU in basketball...

I'm sorry but, how does my team's accomplishments or lack thereof have any bearing on my right to point out that Statesboro is one of the grossest places I've ever been?

(08-15-2009 11:41 PM)SunBelt Watcher Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 11:08 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 10:29 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 10:26 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 10:19 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 08:11 PM)CajunT Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 07:06 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 06:06 PM)theboro Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 03:44 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 02:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 02:23 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 01:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 11:06 AM)theboro Wrote:  Statesboro's still pretty remote

Not to mention the fact that if you ever want to make a strip to Stateboro you need to stock up on penicillin before you go...

Just stay out of the strip clubs and you won't need penicillin.

I don't know... in Statesboro I get the same kind of "airborne STD" vibe I get in Panama City.

If I was a MTSU fan I would be against GSU as well. MTSU took a lot of beatdowns from GSU back when we were a much smaller school. Also since MTSU depends on athletes from GA so much you would be on hard times having to fight among 4 FBS schools in the talent deprived state of Tenn. Right now you have more scholarship players from GA than your home state....never a good recipe for success.

I notice you really didn't respond to the stuff about the athletic budget, facilities and support system.

You wanna argue those?

Doesn't La Monroe or Lafayette......hard to keep track of which is which have a $7 million budget? Are they going to be booted out based on your opinion of the minimum requirements? From the way you talk it sounds like you need a $20 mil budget. Isn't Troy at $13 mil? It wouldn't take much for GSU to get there and beyond.

Gee, and you call yourself informed? Louisiana's budget is slightly over 13 mil this season and led the SBC in football attendance in 2008. So why would we be getting the boot?

Must be some bad info in this article then. "UL-Lafayette’s athletic budget is approximately $10 million, while ULM’s budget is less than $8 million."

http://www.jonesborosun.com/archived_story.php?ID=38547

Old news story, 13 mil this year. Either way it was not 7 or 8 mil.

Hmmm It was dated June 10, 2009. You must have even newer info.... a booster agree to donate $6 million a year or something like that?

Nope, 2.5mil to 3 mil comes from Institutional support. And yes, I do have more recent info since I'm involved in some fundraising athletics.

If that is the case that money should have been part of the less than 8 mil the writer covering the SB members convention had written but let's say the writer left it out.

so from your post ULM = less than 8 mil plus 2.5 mil = 10 mil. GSU budget = shade under 10 mil. ASU budget = shade under 13 mil.

looks really competitive on the surface.

Where did I state that GSU couldn't be competitive? Again, this discussion has become repetitive. 1) I'm not interested in dividing the revenue share into a larger pie. 2) Not interested in adding another conference member in the Eastern Time Zone, it only increases travel expenses especially for spring sports.

It has nothing to do about belittling your program.

(08-15-2009 11:52 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 10:57 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(08-15-2009 10:41 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  This discussion is going nowhere. Every argument turns into a hypothetical dick measuring contest.

Many people are of the opinion that GSU/App. St./TX St./UTSA/MSU would bring little to nothing to the current SBC.

GSU/App. St./TX St./UTSA/MSU fans disagree. . .

Now that we've settled that, just cool your keyboards for a month, and you'll have something else that's worthwhile to talk about again.

It appears that some on this board would rate the conference just below the ACC or something. According to the Sagarin ratings the FCS Colonial Athletic Association plays tougher football and the SB is just ahead of the SOCON.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/f...titialskip

Go back to 2007 and the SOCON and CAA are rated higher than the SB. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm

I think the SB is a growing conference that will continue to improve each year and pass conferences such as the MAC, WAC etc. But some on here act like the differnce between Ark St and App St is like the difference between Alabama and App St. Not the case.

I dont care what those polls say. No 1AA conference is tougher than the Sun Belt. The top 6 or 7 teams in the Sun Belt would win any 1AA conference any year fairly easily. I dont care that appy state beat one sucky 1A Michigan team in like a 150 tries.

I don't think the Sagarin poll has a dog in this fight. It is purely statistical based on how well teams play against each other. It looks pretty accurate to me as the SEC, BIG 12 and PAC 10 are near the top. I hate to burst your bubble but the SB is not at the top of the list.....not even ahead of the CAA and SOCON in 07 or the CAA in 08. Simply based on the #'s and how they compete on the field......not how well people think they are. I apologize if this information has brought you back to reality, but I do think the SB is one the rise and will soon consistently pass the CAA and SOCON in the unbiased Sagarin ratings.