Yes he would be a great choice... so would the Tulsa head coach.

army56mike Wrote:Say Robinson stinks it up bad again this year gets fires and you had the opportunity to pick the new Syracuse coach. Who would it be? Of course you have a blank check. I think these guys would be fun to watch, and they are in no particular order...

1. June Jones
2. Paul Johnson
3. Steve Logan
4. John L. Smith
5. Paul Petrino

My short list for SU

1. Turner Gill-- HC Buffalo
2. George OLeary- HC UCF and former SU assistant
3. Al Golden-- HC Temple

I was shocked that SU didn't hire Gill when he didn't get the Nebraska job last year. SU needs a coach who has ties to NY/East

Jackson

bitcruncher Wrote:None of this is news to me. I've been disgusted with Syracuse's administration ever since they threw out Pasqualoni so uncerimoniously. That move was the beginning of the end of football at Syracuse. This is just the death knell.

All that remains is to write GRob's obit...

What is the difference...?

Pasqualoni and Syracuse
Logan and East Carolina
Solich and Nebraska

Seriously, could Bowden survive at Florida State if he was hired a few years ago? Could Paterno survive at Penn State?

I do hope Southern Miss knew what they were doing when the let Bower go. It seems so similar.

For the record, I don't think Robinson lasts past this season. Robinson is losing his ability to recruit players because of Syracuse's lack of success.

chess Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:None of this is news to me. I've been disgusted with Syracuse's administration ever since they threw out Pasqualoni so uncerimoniously. That move was the beginning of the end of football at Syracuse. This is just the death knell.

All that remains is to write GRob's obit...

What is the difference...?

Pasqualoni and Syracuse
Logan and East Carolina
Solich and Nebraska

Seriously, could Bowden survive at Florida State if he was hired a few years ago? Could Paterno survive at Penn State?

I do hope Southern Miss knew what they were doing when the let Bower go. It seems so similar.

For the record, I don't think Robinson lasts past this season. Robinson is losing his ability to recruit players because of Syracuse's lack of success.

One possible scenario as you described above (Robinson doesn't last the season...or he is told by mid-late Oct that he will not come back for 2009), is that SU hires a HC from a list of coaches who are not in the profession this year (maybe on TV) and/or from a non-bowl team...so said coach can get an early start to recruiting (late Nov/early Dec) as he can.

Because the MAC only has 3 bowl invites..Gill at Buffalo could have a winning record and obviously not go bowling so he could fit the bill.

PS. I think 'Cuse "has to" hire a coach with RECRUITING EXPERIENCE in FLA...as Cuse, who use do very well in South FL recruiting...as been passed over by UL, RU, WVU, Pitt, & UCONN who now hit FLA pretty hard.

I am very worried about UofL's hold on Florida recruiting. It does not seem to be Koach's strength. FL was UofL's lifeline for a while. We seem to be going west in Texas for recruits now.

Water under the bridge, but refresh my memory: Who were the other leading candidates to replace Pasqualoni at the end of the 2004 season? Was Bo Pellini a candidate?

KnightLight Wrote:

chess Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:None of this is news to me. I've been disgusted with Syracuse's administration ever since they threw out Pasqualoni so uncerimoniously. That move was the beginning of the end of football at Syracuse. This is just the death knell.

All that remains is to write GRob's obit...

What is the difference...?

Pasqualoni and Syracuse
Logan and East Carolina
Solich and Nebraska

Seriously, could Bowden survive at Florida State if he was hired a few years ago? Could Paterno survive at Penn State?

I do hope Southern Miss knew what they were doing when the let Bower go. It seems so similar.

For the record, I don't think Robinson lasts past this season. Robinson is losing his ability to recruit players because of Syracuse's lack of success.

One possible scenario as you described above (Robinson doesn't last the season...or he is told by mid-late Oct that he will not come back for 2009), is that SU hires a HC from a list of coaches who are not in the profession this year (maybe on TV) and/or from a non-bowl team...so said coach can get an early start to recruiting (late Nov/early Dec) as he can.

Because the MAC only has 3 bowl invites..Gill at Buffalo could have a winning record and obviously not go bowling so he could fit the bill.

PS. I think 'Cuse "has to" hire a coach with RECRUITING EXPERIENCE in FLA...as Cuse, who use do very well in South FL recruiting...as been passed over by UL, RU, WVU, Pitt, & UCONN who now hit FLA pretty hard.

You pushin' for Terry Bowden?

"A lot of guys were saying, 'Why would you commit to Syracuse? You're a four-star. You're better than Syracuse.'"

someone needs to tell him that syracuse is about 10 times better than the MAC and CMU..4 star..

2-win Cuse "10 times better" than 8-win and bowl game vs Purdue CMU? Not even close.

UBRowing10 Wrote:2-win Cuse "10 times better" than 8-win and bowl game vs Purdue CMU? Not even close.

Holy moly. A Buffalo Bulls fan?

Jackson1011 Wrote:My short list for SU

1. Turner Gill-- HC Buffalo
2. George OLeary- HC UCF and former SU assistant
3. Al Golden-- HC Temple

I was shocked that SU didn't hire Gill when he didn't get the Nebraska job last year. SU needs a coach who has ties to NY/East

Jackson

Cross O'Leary off the list. He has a $5 million dollar buyout plus he makes $1.1 million per year in a state with no state tax. I think O'Leary is getting up in age to start another project too.

UBRowing10 Wrote:2-win Cuse "10 times better" than 8-win and bowl game vs Purdue CMU? Not even close.

A Buffalo fan talking crap!? Wow. And do you actually think that CMU's coach would pass up on a chance to coach at a BCS program? Say that Syracuse comes along and gives him about $750,000 a year (with incentives). That's a BCS job at a program with strong tradition.

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

Jackson1011 Wrote:My short list for SU

1. Turner Gill-- HC Buffalo
2. George OLeary- HC UCF and former SU assistant
3. Al Golden-- HC Temple

I was shocked that SU didn't hire Gill when he didn't get the Nebraska job last year. SU needs a coach who has ties to NY/East

Jackson

Cross O'Leary off the list. He has a $5 million dollar buyout plus he makes $1.1 million per year in a state with no state tax. I think O'Leary is getting up in age to start another project too.

I agree, I don't think O'Leary is a good choice for number of reasons. Money (it'll cost a lot to get him and it's not worth it), age, and his style doesn't fit Syracuse. O'Leary appears to want to finish up at Central Florida and good for him. He's showing loyalty (as is UCF) and it's good to see that in a non-BCS program (Skip Holtz and ECU being the other example).

army56mike Wrote:I am very worried about UofL's hold on Florida recruiting. It does not seem to be Koach's strength. FL was UofL's lifeline for a while. We seem to be going west in Texas for recruits now.

I think alot of non state schools will have a tougher road in fla. USF is now BCS.. and UCF is seen as a very viable option.. and Fau is on the rise.. with the big 3 getting basically the pick of the litter right off the top.. and USF and UCF both getting recruits that would have skipped them 2 or 3 years ago.. outsiders are a bit further down the pecking order.

goodknightfl Wrote:

army56mike Wrote:I am very worried about UofL's hold on Florida recruiting. It does not seem to be Koach's strength. FL was UofL's lifeline for a while. We seem to be going west in Texas for recruits now.

I think alot of non state schools will have a tougher road in fla. USF is now BCS.. and UCF is seen as a very viable option.. and Fau is on the rise.. with the big 3 getting basically the pick of the litter right off the top.. and USF and UCF both getting recruits that would have skipped them 2 or 3 years ago.. outsiders are a bit further down the pecking order.

As FLA's population continues to rise (at a slower rate though than before), the state will continue to put out more and more HS Football Players...and as long as teams like UF, UCF, FSU and others continue to recruit "out-of-state" players...there will always be PLENTY of FL HS players for non-FLA teams to choose from...plus the obvious fact that many kids want to "go away" to college (i.e. away from home...many times wanting to go to another state/area).

Last year, 123 FL HS kids signed Div I scholarships with FLA schools...and another 235 kids signed Div I scholarships with NON-FLA schools.

That's why virtually every team East of the Mississippi (and plenty of others) recruit in FLA...and will always do so.

PS. Fun Fact: If FLA's 235 kids who signed with out-of-state teams in Feb 2008 were from a separate state...that would make it the 4th largest state in the country in regards to producing Div I HS talent (behind California, TX and the total amount in FLA).

THAT'S why everyone (basically) recruits in FLA.

Been away for a week...my take on this

GRob has to start out 3-2 this season (@NW, AKRON, PENN STATE, NORTHEASTERN and PITTSBURGH). Yes, 4 straight home games. If not the AD either secretly or not so secretly will hire a guy early.

As some stated we need an east coast guy...Florida connections a plus but more importantly he needs NJ, PA, MD and DC conncections.

A few names: Turner Gill, Mike Locksley (OC at Illinois), Al Golden, Bob Casullo. Turner Gill and Mike Locksley I figure are frontrunners...and would give the Cuse a huge advantage by having the only Black HC in the Big East

BTW, to a post above---yes, Bo Pellini was considered back in 2004.

If Robinson had any integrity, he would have quit at the end of last season.

Murph1 Wrote:

UBRowing10 Wrote:2-win Cuse "10 times better" than 8-win and bowl game vs Purdue CMU? Not even close.

Holy moly. A Buffalo Bulls fan?

There are one or 2 floatin'round. I remember dating a girl who went there, and was a big fan. But this was 35 years ago, and they called it Buff State then.

UBRowing10 Wrote:2-win Cuse "10 times better" than 8-win and bowl game vs Purdue CMU? Not even close.

I was referring to a historical, academic, conference overall deal. nothing against CMU

BYUcoog Wrote:

UBRowing10 Wrote:2-win Cuse "10 times better" than 8-win and bowl game vs Purdue CMU? Not even close.

I was referring to a (Cuse's) historical, academic, conference overall deal. nothing against CMU

Cuse of course has INCREDIBLE tradition/history...but in today's college football recruiting "game"...its all about "NOW".

For a HS Senior to be...in the time that kid played HS Ball (say first 3 years of HS), Syracuse during that kids HS career has just a 7-28 record.

For a HS Senior to be....Syracuse hasn't had a winning record since this coming year's Senior Class (2009) were in the 5th grade...probably when not many kids were "thinking" about attending college or playing college ball or even Syracuse in particular.

That's the Syracuse challenge of today as Cuse is suffering from a terrible coaching hire....as Robinson had only 1 yr of collegiate coaching experience since 1990...and had only 2 years of collegiate coaching experience (and recruiting) since 1980!!

No clue how or why he was the top candidate for Cuse back in 2005...because the name of the game in college football (Robinson had spent 14 out of his last 15 years coaching in the NFL prior to jumping to Cuse) is RECRUITING!

If you don't have any recruiting ties...don't hire good asst coaches that can RECRUIT, your program will suffer.