PirateMarv
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RE: So...what deserving Big East team will be snubbed in March?
Bambu Wrote:CollegeCard Wrote:PirateMarv Wrote:CollegeCard Wrote:PirateMarv Wrote:Memphis victories probably opened the door for other schools in CUSA, CAA, MAC, MWC and MVC to get extra bids. In fact many of these leagues overall strength of schdules are rated pretty close to your league's SOS.
So I would think that Memphis took 1-2 bids from your conference. Did I miss anything?
Lastly, I am lost as to how Memphis leads to more bids for CUSA, the MVC, or CAA? Not being derogatory on this point, I simply don't see the reasoning. What am I missing?
First of all Memphis has beaten most of the teams in your conference that you all are touting for the Big Dance. I am unclear as to how in your mind Houston and maybe even a Tulane could possibly be left out, since Memphis beat the crap of everybody? How do you phathom that a BEast team can get more cred than a CUSA team for losing to a common opponent? Not only that, but have you been watching G. Mason and VCU this year? Both of those teams are going, and since ECU beat Mason and N.C. State that strenghtens CUSA's case for the second just that much more.
I saw the need to reply this individually, since it was a question directed to me. To answer the question, I am completely clear in saying Houston and Tulane are not NCAA deserving at this time. They could play their way in by winning nearly every remaining game they have left, but that is unlikely. As it stands tonight, neither team would even draw remote at-large interest. They would not even be 1 of the last 10 left out.
Houston's Profile:
-15-4 (4-1), RPI of 84, SOS of 162
-An 0-4 record against the Top 100. 3 of the 4 losses by double digits, despite 2 being home games.
-A 10-0 record against Teams 201-341. That is a very high number of sub-200 opponents. These should be sure wins for tourney teams, and I think the committee nearly ignores them, even for ACC or Big East teams.
-A 5-0 record against teams #101-200. The only redeeming aspect.
To put it bluntly, zero Top 100 wins and your top win being against a 14-8 MAAC team (Marist) isn't NCAA. It is a clear cut NIT profile, with little debate. Now, as they have shown, Houston is good enough to win nearly every time out against sub-100's, and thus will start racking up wins in CUSA play. They should finish with a gaudy record, and it will be needed to be considered for the NCAA.
Tulane's Profile:
-13-6 (4-2), RPI of 125, SOS of 210
-An 0-3 record against the Top 100
-Is there much else to say? No one here is recommending South Florida for the NCAA, despite being 1 of the 14 teams rated higher than Tulane.
As for your whole "Memphis" paragraph that I quoted, I still see no sound logic being represented. Let me say this to make it clear that I am not just hating on CUSA. Memphis hands down deserves 100% of the first place votes in both polls come Monday morning. They are playing great. That said, the Tigers' domination in no way means CUSA deserves a 2nd bid.
You claim GMU and VCU are near locks. Both are far from a sure thing. Sure, both have a shot. However, GMU has 4 horrible losses, to teams now rated #157, 173, #203, & #288. That is ugly. VCU is also a dangerous team that could also make it, but they have much work to do. ECU upsetting GMU & NCST doesn't give CUSA a 2nd bid though.
I agree, and it's bizarre to see an ECU fan waving a Memphis banner here. I'm sure most Tiger fans would prefer if he left us out of this. We have nothing to prove to the Big East fans in hoops, considering it's been over 3 years since we've lost to a BE squad.
But seriously, it was obvious when our schedules came out that CUSA
would be a one bid league again. Hell, we get a team in the NIT and it'll be a feat.
I wave the "Memphis banner", because I was born in West Tennesse and I had a large number of family members (uncles, aunts and siblings) and friends that attended Memphis, when it was still called Memphis State. And while I may have grown up in Chicago, I still spent every summer of my childhood working on my Grandparents farms in West Tennessee; in fact I still maintain a home in West Tennessee and I have countless relatives that live here. Moreover, I have performed clinical work at the University of Memphis; and I have had the opportunity to attend several Tiger games this year. So please forgive me for "waving the banner", but I believe that I have more than a passing interest in the University of Memphis.
BTW, I attended ECU while I was in the military in N.C., but I actually graduated from Illinois. So I actually root for several schools, notably: ECU, Illinois and Memphis. I also begrudingly root for UNC, NCSU and Tennesse, which stems from the fact that my Paternal Grandparents moved to Tennessee from North Carolina. I hope that I was able to shed some light on this issue for you.
Finally, the matter that I was trying to address, albeit badly, is that the posters are relying to a great extent upon the strength of their conference to justify the bids, but IMO this matter is going to be resolved by looking at the OOC work of these teams; which is what happened to the BE last year.
(This post was last modified: 01-31-2008 04:15 PM by PirateMarv.)
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