KNIGHTTIME Wrote:Next year we have NC State and S. Fla at home

close. not NC State, it's South Carolina State. hey, easy mistake, if each school name was one word, they'd rhyme :)

We all know the advantages (e.g., facilities, location, size, etc.) and disadvantages of UCF (e.g., hoops, directional stigma, etc.)

A different perspective is...can the BE afford not to take them? Do you think the SEC, Big 12, ACC or others have the thoughts of adding UCF after seeing what USF has done? What if Vandy was finally disgusted enough to leave the SEC and SEC needed a new team with UCF sitting there with that sweet location?

Can the BE afford to wait and have another conference pluck them?

My pet peeve: Change their name to Orlando University.

TegaCayCard Wrote:We all know the advantages (e.g., facilities, location, size, etc.) and disadvantages of UCF (e.g., hoops, directional stigma, etc.)

A different perspective is...can the BE afford not to take them? Do you think the SEC, Big 12, ACC or others have the thoughts of adding UCF after seeing what USF has done? What if Vandy was finally disgusted enough to leave the SEC and SEC needed a new team with UCF sitting there with that sweet location?

Can the BE afford to wait and have another conference pluck them?

My pet peeve: Change their name to Orlando University.

I'm all for changing the name to University of Orlando. It won't happen though. By the way, we do not have a directional name. "Central" is actually regional. UCF has grown out of the regional name (IMO). We are the 6th largest University in the country. It really pisses off some of the alumni to bring this up, but it should be addressed at some point.

Disadvantage - hoops? We just built the nicest college arena in Florida. We have home games this year against Ole Miss, Uconn, and Nevada. We have a game at Disney against Villanova. We were #2 in the C-USA last year. We just started taking hoops serious the last few years. Steve Sloan a former AD would not give our basketball program any money.

Last - S. Fla will never let us in the Big East. It will not happen in my opinion.

wvucrazed Wrote:Ed Pastilong threatened to sue UCF and told a group of fans that if there was ever a vote for UCF's inclusion into the Big East, "I can assure you WVU will vote no." That was widely reported by WVU fans and insiders and discussed extensively at the time.

When an AD makes statements like that, I really don't consider it an issue that was blown out of proportion by a few internet message board posters.

That being said, as others have pointed out, that was a prior UCF administration, and time has passed since then. If the relationship between WVU and UCF is repaired, then that's awesome. I'd love to see UCF come back to Morgantown to complete the series they agreed to - it would be a very tough and interesting game.

How any of this would work as to UCF's potential BE membership is anyone's guess, but it obviously can't hurt to be on good terms with as many BE schools as possible.

I understand him being upset.. but the whole lawsuit thing was a laugh.. We had a contract.. it had an buyout and we paid it. legally there was no issues.... that being said.. If we can help out WV with scheduling.. and make it up to them .. I am all for it... and for me that has nothing to do with BE membership.. Though I'm sure it wouldnt hurt with the WV AD.

TegaCayCard Wrote:We all know the advantages (e.g., facilities, location, size, etc.) and disadvantages of UCF (e.g., hoops, directional stigma, etc.)

A different perspective is...can the BE afford not to take them? Do you think the SEC, Big 12, ACC or others have the thoughts of adding UCF after seeing what USF has done? What if Vandy was finally disgusted enough to leave the SEC and SEC needed a new team with UCF sitting there with that sweet location?

Can the BE afford to wait and have another conference pluck them?

My pet peeve: Change their name to Orlando University.

We are the out of the box pick for the big 10... sorry BE . we will be busy elswhere...

UCF_Cardinals Wrote:

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:Next year we have NC State and S. Fla at home

close. not NC State, it's South Carolina State. hey, easy mistake, if each school name was one word, they'd rhyme :)

NC State doesn't play at UCF till 2010.

Remember...just because a contract is home-home...doesn't mean the games are automatically scheduled for back-to-back years...especially since UCF was still "over-booked" through 2009 by past AD's.

KnightLight Wrote:NC State doesn't play at UCF till 2010.

Remember...just because a contract is home-home...doesn't mean the games are automatically scheduled for back-to-back years...especially since UCF was still "over-booked" through 2009 by past AD's.

What is our schedule for next year?

Pitt - Away
S. Fla - Home
Miami - Away
Texas???

People need to remember something. Athletic Directors do not vote on league membership. Presidents vote on league membership. Athletic Directors can "advise" their Presidents but there are many instances in which their "advice" is not heeded. President Hardesty (WVU) and President Hitt (UCF) get together for dinner at least once a year, if not twice a year, by the way so they at least have a cordial relationship already anyway.

I think the Big East needs to swoop in and grab Central Florida for 2010 regardless. There is too much money to be made down there to let CUSA take advantage of it. Grab the Knights and cut CUSA out of the lucrative Florida market before FAU or FIU develop enough to be a viable replacement. This would force CUSA to look westward for a replacement instead. There is enough talent in Florida to stock both USF and UCF for decades.

UCFs current contracts (As known by the public). We're still overbooked for now but by 2010 we'll be able to fill in the games at Florida and at WVU if needed.

You guys know how hard it is to get 5 OOC games. Until 2002, UCF had to plan for 11 games a year. Then it was 12. Then suddenly it was 3-4.

2008:
vs. South Carolina State
vs. South Florida 9/6
at Clemson 9/13
at Pittsburgh 9/13
at Miami

2009:
at Wisconsin 9/5
at Pittsburgh 9/12
at Texas 9/19
vs. Miami 10/3

2010:
vs. NC State 9/11
at Miami 9/25

2011:
at Texas 9/24

Also the other wrench thrown in was the on campus stadium. One of the financing requirements is 6 home games a year.

So 4 conference games +

2008: USF, SCSU (covered!)
2009: Miami....need one more! (Wisconsin, Pitt or Texas needs to be moved!)

st932253 Wrote:UCFs current contracts (As known by the public). We're still overbooked for now but by 2010 we'll be able to fill in the games at Florida and at WVU if needed.

You guys know how hard it is to get 5 OOC games. Until 2002, UCF had to plan for 11 games a year. Then it was 12. Then suddenly it was 3-4.

2008:
vs. South Carolina State
vs. South Florida 9/6
at Clemson 9/13
at Pittsburgh 9/13
at Miami

2009:
at Wisconsin 9/5
at Pittsburgh 9/12
at Texas 9/19
vs. Miami 10/3

2010:
vs. NC State 9/11
at Miami 9/25

2011:
at Texas 9/24

Clemson - 2008 will be gone (no return trip)
Wisconsin - 2009 will be gone (no return trip)

The series with WVU looks like it isn't possible for 2008 or 2009. We have to drop most likely Clemson in 2008 to get back to a 12 game schedule. We are set for 6 home games in 2008. The 2009 season will need a little shakeup. We need another home game (Wisconsin will probably go). 2010 or 2011 look pretty open.

wvucrazed Wrote:

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

wvucrazed Wrote:Was Texas home and home, or was it just a 1-time thing to open your stadium?

The Texas series is a 2-1. ESPN wanted a big name team to open the stadium. I don't think the 2-1's will be very common though. UCF can now make about the same amount of money if it is Texas or UL-La.

It wouldn't surprise me that we wouldn't try to work something out with WVU due to previous problems. What year do you need a game? We already are booked next year....unless we axe the Miami series?

The problem with a series between WVU and UCF is that we already have 2 long-term agreements with ECU and Marshall. The other OOC games are going to be 2 BCS teams (most years Maryland + one other), and a home guarantee via either the MAC or 1-AA. I'm not sure precisely, but we may have some home openings and UCF would certainly be more attractive than a Ball State or James Madison, but I can't forsee a return trip to UCF, at least for quite a while.

I'm not sure how long the ECU series runs, maybe when it concludes something with UCF could be worked out. I personally think it would be a very good game.

-- I think your spot on wvucrazed. IMO there won't be a UCF/WVU game untill the ECU or Marshall series runs out. I just can't see WVU playing three CUSA east teams during one season.

Jackson

The Knight Time Wrote:Cyber, honestly you're just a pain. You trash every single thread that mentions UCF- barring us normal fans from having civil discussion. If you want to be a freaking 5 year old consistently, then find a different avenue to do it in. This thread has nothing to do with you or USF, so get lost.

If this came from anyone else but you I would consider it, but since it's from a professional flamer like yourself....save your self the trouble. Oh btw, UCFKnight85, last time I checked this was a BigEast board and YOU are the guest.

Quote:1. It wasn't blown out of proportion. WVU AD's was so upset that he publically discussed suing UCF for damages.

2. O'Leary may say that he only wants home and homes, but he doesn't have much leverage as a non-BCS team.

He has all the leverage in the world, FACT is, UCF has sold over 42,000 tickets to every game this year. It does not matter who is on the schedule. UCF will not do 2 for 1's anymore, with anyone, it is bad business.

As for USF letting UCF into the big east, I think some of you are giving them a hell of a lot more power then they really have. They are one of three new members to a conference that has eight members. I would think most of the big east would laugh at USF for the reason they would want to keep UCF out. Most of the other schools would want a watered down USF, to keep the league more competative.

The other conferences, don't think for a minute that UCF is putting all their BCS dreams into the Big East basket. It would not surprise me in the slightest to see the ACC try to dominate Florida by taking another team. Geographically, it is a perfect fit. There will be another shake up and UCF has positioned itself to be a very nice pickup. No facilities need improvements, just add the BCS tag.

South Tampa Knight Wrote:It would not surprise me in the slightest to see the ACC try to dominate Florida by taking another team. Geographically, it is a perfect fit.

Good luck with that ACC invite. I'm sure it'll be coming any day now.

The last game between ECU and WVU is 2009.

There is nothing scheduled with any Big East team beyond that.

panite Wrote:Hopefully UCF follows through with the game and then WV helps to vote them into the BE.

Lord I hope not. We don't need another team from Florida in this league. WVU, Rutgers and Louisville all recruit heavily in Florida. We already have to recruit against the Big 4 in Florida. No way these 3 schools would want to make it harder to get players out of the Sunshine State. The Big East BCS train has made it's stop in Florida and USF jumped aboard. If anyone else gets in I would prefer it be Memphis and ECU.
CJ

CardinalJim, I think that Louisville would recruit North Carolina a little harder with ECU in the BE. One of your starting DB's is from Charlotte. I think Tulsa, of all schools, got a player or two from North Carolina when Coach K was coach of the Hurricanes. The western part of North Carolina is not too far from Louisville.

CardinalJim Wrote:

panite Wrote:Hopefully UCF follows through with the game and then WV helps to vote them into the BE.

Lord I hope not. We don't need another team from Florida in this league. WVU, Rutgers and Louisville all recruit heavily in Florida. We already have to recruit against the Big 4 in Florida. No way these 3 schools would want to make it harder to get players out of the Sunshine State. The Big East BCS train has made it's stop in Florida and USF jumped aboard. If anyone else gets in I would prefer it be Memphis and ECU.
CJ

Jim, don't know if you realize it or not, but UL and every other team is recruiting against UCF as it is. Just from the 2007 recruiting class:
Darin Baldwin chose UCF over USF
Alphonso Bryant chose UCF over Rutgers
A'Jami Guyton chose UCF over Rutgers and USF
Troy Kelly chose UCF over USF and WVU
Darius Nall chose UCF over Louisville
Ereck Plancher chose UCF over USF
Joe Weatherford chose UCF over Louisville
Michael Greco chose UCF over USF.

There are others and we did that coming off a 4-8 season. 2008 verbals have:

Brandon Davis choosing UCF over USF
Brendan Kelly choosing UCF over UCONN
David Williams choosing UCF over Cincy


This is not bashing, these are just facts. Whether UCF ends up in the Big East or stays in CUSA, any team outside of Florida will have to contend with UCF when it comes to Florida talent.

Word on the street is that UM just dropped UCif from 1 game down to a 1-1 and that they also are shifting thoer schedule next year to play a quality opponent in the first game at Joe Robme stadium. They had N. Texas but that fell through so now they will open with a ACC opponent.