wvucrazed Wrote:I agree with the premise that SU needs to look at a proven winner. UC seems to have made a great move bringing in a guy who has won everywhere he's been at the lower levels. Paul Johnson obviously brings that winning history.

Skip Holtz has been successful thus far at ECU, but he didn't set the world ablaze as South Carolina's offensive coordinator as I recall.

How about Todd Graham at Tulsa? I also think Turner Gill is an interesting idea. If he can get Buffalo to 5 or 6 wins, he would prove he knows how to turn around a program.

No way they would hire Skip Holtz, maybe Lou Holtz............They need a new AD and Head coach, I knew the day Robinson was hired and introduced by the AD that that was a loosing combination...

No way Syracuse gets Skip from ECU.

No offense to the Orange but the clout just is not there anymore.

Skip is a Big 10/SEC kind of guy. If he leaves, that is where it will be.

Topcard91 Wrote:No way Syracuse gets Skip from ECU.

No offense to the Orange but the clout just is not there anymore.

Skip is a Big 10/SEC kind of guy. If he leaves, that is where it will be.

And you know this how? Sorry to inform you but Syracuse still is a bigger program than ECU despite our current suckiness.

Topcard91 Wrote:No way Syracuse gets Skip from ECU.

No offense to the Orange but the clout just is not there anymore.

Skip is a Big 10/SEC kind of guy. If he leaves, that is where it will be.

Syracuse is a storied, national program. With the right coach, the sky's the limit. They are at their low point with on-the-field product, but they are still Syracuse. Any coach at any non-BCS school would be foolish to pass up on an opportunity to bring the Orange back to prominence unless he was very very very happy with his current job.

Who knows, maybe Skip Holz will stay in Greenville forever. But to say he would never leave for SU is merely hopeful speculation on your part.

wvucrazed Wrote:

Topcard91 Wrote:No way Syracuse gets Skip from ECU.

No offense to the Orange but the clout just is not there anymore.

Skip is a Big 10/SEC kind of guy. If he leaves, that is where it will be.

Syracuse is a storied, national program. With the right coach, the sky's the limit. They are at their low point with on-the-field product, but they are still Syracuse. Any coach at any non-BCS school would be foolish to pass up on an opportunity to bring the Orange back to prominence unless he was very very very happy with his current job.

Who knows, maybe Skip Holz will stay in Greenville forever. But to say he would never leave for SU is merely hopeful speculation on your part.

Well said! I believe this is still a prize job and I don't think you can ever take away a program's storied history just because it has some down years. Those new to following the original Big East schools don't really respect the tradition, and I think that holds a lot of merit...and will play a large part in turning the program back around.

Fire Gross! Won't happen because Nancy Cantor is just as bad for the university as Gross is for the athletic dept.

This kinda fits with this thread, so I decided to post it here:

Quote:3) That the ACC is simply hideous. A year after going 6-16 against BCS-conference foes, the nation’s preeminent basketball-conference-masquerading-as-a-football-league is off to another impressive start: 1-4 against BCS-conference opponents (the one is actually Georgia Tech’s win over independent Notre Dame) and, even more embarrassing, 6-7 against Division I-A opponents, (including Virginia’s loss at Wyoming, NC State’s loss to UCF and UNC’s loss to East Carolina). Perhaps most humbling of all, the league’s two highest-profile Big East imports, Miami and Virginia Tech, lost to two top-10 opponents Saturday (Oklahoma and LSU) by a combined score of 99-20. Adding insult to injury: The Big East itself has started off 9-2 against its I-A opposition, including five wins against 2006 bowl teams.

Is Appalachian State available for membership, by any chance?

SI.com-Stewart Mandel

Unreal how bad they've gotten...

I think Skip will definitely consider Syracuse. Skip coached at UCONN for many years and he had the option to grow UCONN but he chose to go with his daddy. That was a big mistake. UCONN could have been Skip's baby now instead of RE. I am sure he will consider Cuse if Cuse is looking for him.

I don't have any issue adding ECU and UCF to the BE if we split. I hope we do soon cause 8 total members are not helping us when people keep comparing 11 or 12 team conference to 8 team conference 1-8.

I'm more concerned with UVA luring Skip Holtz away than Syracuse. I just hope Coach Holland has enough clout with UVA to prevent the Cavs from stealing Coach Holtz. Some are speculating that Michigan with lure the LSU coach up north. It would be very interesting to see which coach LSU would pursue. I wonder if the West Virginia coach might be interested in LSU?

mlb Wrote:I think Skip Holtz would be a great hire for Syracuse, but I'm not sure he would want to go to upstate NY. I think he will hold out for an ACC or SEC job.

You may have the right school but the wrong coach...

Boston College may be BCS ready this year. Steve Logan knows offense and the Carrier Dome is made for the fast offensive game.

I think if Holtz wins out, he may be at Virginia next year (or Clemson).

^^ I was thinking Logan as well. He would be great for Syracuse.

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mlb Wrote:I think Skip Holtz would be a great hire for Syracuse, but I'm not sure he would want to go to upstate NY. I think he will hold out for an ACC or SEC job.

You may have the right school but the wrong coach...

Boston College may be BCS ready this year. Steve Logan knows offense and the Carrier Dome is made for the fast offensive game.

I think if Holtz wins out, he may be at Virginia next year (or Clemson).

Logan really put ECU on the map. Why did ECU get rid of him anyway?

I would love to see Steve Logan as a head coach again. It was fun to watch his teams play ball.
I think it's kinda crazy to say Holz wouldn't leave for the Cuse job. I feel that he would. You have a storied program in a BCS conference. He'd go.
It would be better though if he stayed at ECU long enough to bring them up to BCS level in the BEast.
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cuseroc Wrote:Logan really put ECU on the map. Why did ECU get rid of him anyway?

In many ways, Logan burned out.

ECU got a new Athletic Director and Chancellor that thought the knew football and didn't respect what Logan did for ECU and our program.

They leaned on Logan. Logan got pissed. In addition, Logan was feeling the challenge in recruiting against the BCS. Logan was fired.

ECU hired John Thompson and seriously had two of the worst seasons in the history of football. The teams were not prepared on any level.

Then, the Chancellor got into trouble and was forced out.
Then, the Athletic Director "left" (with blessings from ECU) for UNLV.

Then, ECU hired Terry Holland.

Steve Logan lived a quiet life for a few years and spent time coaching in NFL-Europe. His offenses really shined.

Logan is now the offensive coordinator at Boston College. Wow, I love watching his teams.

The thing I remember about Logan which was strange--he would sometimes just watch games in a crouch and look like he was in a deep trance...kinda weird.

Well. I think Cuse needs to make a move soon. GRob is not the right guy. Not sure Gross is the right guy either.

If Skip leaves for the Cuse, maybe ECU can get Logan back.

On an unrelated note, ND fans are starting to realize Willingham might not be such a bad coach after all.

SF Husky Wrote:Well. I think Cuse needs to make a move soon. GRob is not the right guy. Not sure Gross is the right guy either.

If Skip leaves for the Cuse, maybe ECU can get Logan back.

On an unrelated note, ND fans are starting to realize Willingham might not be such a bad coach after all.

Serves them right. I would love to see Washington get to at least 10 wins this year while ND sits at home ineligible. That would be great.

East Carolina Is A Better ACC Team Than Most ACC Teams

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/09/1...acc-teams/

There were two things we learned during the East Carolina/Virginia Tech tilt that opened the season. One: Virginia Tech isn't the tenth-best team in the country when Sean Glennon is the quarterback. Two: East Carolina is doing a better job of being a competitive ACC team than most of the conference's charter members. Don't get me wrong- it's not like this is some new jack program coming out of the Sun Belt to pull shocking upsets against titans of football competence. But in the "get enough conference wins to get a plane ticket to Boise or San Francisco" sort of way, the Pirates are definitely passing muster.

Witness last season: ECU snagged two conference wins against NC State and Virginia, and they were rather convincing. Granted, both NC State and UVA were teams that missed out on the postseason, but both were prone to multi-week spans of bowl-team level competence. And now this year; a close loss on the road to a team that America as a whole was rooting for, and this past weekend's result, a 37-34 win against Butch Davis' UNC squad, which has shown surprising amounts of friskiness on the offensive front.

It's worth wondering if this is just another example of the ACC failing to take care in what they wish for. First, Jim Swofford pirated Miami and Virginia Tech and then Boston College for (let's face it) 95% football reasons, leaving many to wonder aloud whether the Big East even deserved a BCS bid. Now, in Louisville (fresh off a rather symbolic shaming of Wake Forest in the Orange Bowl), West Virginia (passed over for ACC expansion because it supposedly didn't fit the conference's academic profile) and Rutgers (during Greg Schiano's initial recruiting classes, Virginia in particular found itself embarrassed for losing prospects to them), they have three more legit title contenders than the ACC, with South Florida making serious gains. But a Conference USA team that hasn't been ranked since, I dunno, Jeff Blake's heyday? Should the ACC sit out the BCS out of shame this year, like when Notre Dame turned down stuff like the Independence Bowl?

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wvucrazed Wrote:

Topcard91 Wrote:No way Syracuse gets Skip from ECU.

No offense to the Orange but the clout just is not there anymore.

Skip is a Big 10/SEC kind of guy. If he leaves, that is where it will be.

Syracuse is a storied, national program. With the right coach, the sky's the limit. They are at their low point with on-the-field product, but they are still Syracuse. Any coach at any non-BCS school would be foolish to pass up on an opportunity to bring the Orange back to prominence unless he was very very very happy with his current job.

Who knows, maybe Skip Holz will stay in Greenville forever. But to say he would never leave for SU is merely hopeful speculation on your part.

Well said! I believe this is still a prize job and I don't think you can ever take away a program's storied history just because it has some down years. Those new to following the original Big East schools don't really respect the tradition, and I think that holds a lot of merit...and will play a large part in turning the program back around.

Fire Gross! Won't happen because Nancy Cantor is just as bad for the university as Gross is for the athletic dept.

Syracuse is still a storied program in the minds of Syracuse fans and some others in the Big East. That is not the case in most of the country. Most consider Syracuse a laughing stock. One of the worst programs in the country. At least when ECU was WAY down they recognized the problem and got rid of everyone involved. Syracuse has not shown they are that interested in fixing the football problem.

No good football coach is going to be willing to go and coach at a place where football will ALWAYS be #2 behind basketball and at a place where the facilities are showing serious signs of aging.

Skip left UConn with full knowledge of them becoming a D1 program. He left to become a assistant at a SEC school!!

Skip said his goal when he interviewd with ECU was to win a National Championship at Notre Dame. Not coach a mediocre Big East program in a dilapidated building.

If/when Skip leaves it will be a much bigger program than Syracuse. One that is serious about football. (Michigan, Notre Dame, Clemson, Florida St., even Virginia) Virginia has a beautiful 60,000 seat stadium with the absolute best of everything. Plus the 2nd highest budget in the country. If you think Syracuse is a better program than any of these or even ECU, you are just kidding yourself.

army56mike Wrote:I would love to see Steve Logan as a head coach again. It was fun to watch his teams play ball.
I think it's kinda crazy to say Holz wouldn't leave for the Cuse job. I feel that he would. You have a storied program in a BCS conference. He'd go.
It would be better though if he stayed at ECU long enough to bring them up to BCS level in the BEast.
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He won't be a head coach again, IMO. He hates the PR work with the alumni and he hates recruiting. He might if the check is big enough. Though he cultivates this image of a free thinking cowboy, he'd go for the bucks in a heartbeat.

I could see Holtz going to UVA...that would be a good fit.