It's great to have good friends in high places...

http://www.charlotte.com/bobcats/story/169648.html

I'm sure Buzz is a great guy, just a terrible coach.

etsuBucsFan1988 Wrote:It's great to have good friends in high places...

http://www.charlotte.com/bobcats/story/169648.html

I'm sure Buzz is a great guy, just a terrible coach.

He didn't succeed at Tennessee but enjoyed very good success at every other level building up to that job (thats why he got it) and that makes him a terrible coach? No don't think so.

Yes, he's a terrible basketball coach

WHat do you have to back that up? He didn't do well at Tennessee? HE is a good coach he wasn't good enough for that level, that surely doesn't make him a terrible coach.

When you are at a low- to mid-major school you can get by by being a terrible coach. You can compete and win with just talent and against the talent of fellow programs. But when you have to compete daily with true Division one talent and programs, then that's really when your coaching abilities show. That's all I'm saying.

So Rick Pittino is a god awful coach because he couldn't make it in the NBA, gotcha.

R

Prior to Tennessee

1996-97 Appalachian State 14-14
1997-98 Appalachian State 21-8 Southern Conference Regular Season Champions, SoCon Coach of the Year
1998-99 Appalachian State 21-8 Southern Conference Regular Season Champions
1999-00 Appalachian State 23-9 .Southern Conference Regular Season Champions, Southern Conference Tournament Champions, Southern Conference Coach of the Year, NCAA Tournament

2000-01 Tulsa 26-11 .722 NIT Champions

At Tennessee he went 61-59 with 2 NIT's in 4 years. Not good but not awful just not nearly good enough for the SEC but prior to that he was a very successful coach.

Rod

The only men's basketball coach at Tennessee to have any consistent success is the late Ray Mears. Don Devoe was a 15-22 win coach a year, Jerry Green had a couple of good teams but the felons were mounting up in his tenure, Wade Houston was AWFUL, he is a terrible coach.
Buzz was just over his head trying to recruit at a football first school, and just wasn't ready for that job.
Keep in mind no coach in the HISTORY of Tennessee basketball has taken them past the sweet 16.

88- Rod is a Buzz apologist. Just as much as Schnauzer is a Bartow apologist.

Rod STILL can't give DeChellis any credit for the job he did here because he has such a hard-on for Buzz.

Which is laughable. If anyone spent about two minutes with both Eddie D and Buzz, you'd hire Eddie D.

Just a more intelligent human being.

I have given DeChellis credit repeatedly, I just have not bowed down to him as the greatest coach of all time

Nor have I, or did you forget who the reporter was who broke how he left to go to Penn State?

By the way, what is this credit you gave DeChellis repeatedly?

Give me a quote here, won't you?

I know you have stated repeatedly that you felt Peterson should have gotten the job because he was from the South, proving my point about the geographic bigotry of the area.

But giving DeChellis credit? When did this happen?

I have never stated Petersen should have gotten the job because he was from the South. I have said I felt Petersen or Lebo would have been good hires for the same reasons Fry gave for hiring Hamilton for football. Ties to ETSU, the SoCon,, contacts in the Southeast. I have said DeChellis became a good coach while at ETSU but I don't think he was the only man for the job. Others including Buzz or Jeff or.. (insert others here) could have done as good a job turning ETSU around as DeChellis did. They have a good or better track record at the SoCon level as DeChellis has. What always seems to have pissed you off is I have said DeChellis was a good coach, not a great one. We have had the same debate over and over but you continue to try and spin what I have said and put words in my mouth that I have never said. My position is the same as it always has been and I have repeatedly posted.

1. I don't think DeChellis was a very good coach when he got here. I know I know, my GOD he only had 1.. thats right 1.. count them 1.. did I mention he only had 1 eligible player his first year and he Beat Chattanoga.. He was the greatest thing since Hoosiers, I know I know.

2. He grew into a good coach while here, he was not and never will be a great coach.

3. I think other coaches could have done a as good a job as he did at ETSU.

4. I don't like the "reasons" Fry hired DeChellis opposed to his reasons for hiring Hamilton.

5. Pitt broke the story DeChellis was leaving, Wow I know everyone was totally surprised that he would leave to take a job at his alma mater a Big Ten school if he was offered, I was shocked as I am sure everyone was (yawn) that he would do such a thing.

6. Pitt will now trot out the same tired old Straw Men and attack them and not what I actually have typed as he always does and will pretend to totally forget that we have had the same debate a dozen times before with almost the exact same posts.

Like I said Pitt get new material, I am not a Petersen fan I just get tired of seeing people make stupid posts, I have to comment and seeing Petersen is a terrible coach because he wasn't successful at Tennessee ranks right up there with some of your posts.

R

Well spoken Rod! You're quite articulate for a message board poster!

Yeah. I think he put it through spell check this time.

Of course, BucLover, you've had it in for Eddie D too.

Let's go through this point by point-

1.- Then you'd be wrong. The man never lost his team and in post-game interviews I would find a team that was united behind their coach- speaking enthusiastically about him without losing sight that they had to improve.

I don't know what you wanted Eddie D to do with that team. He inherited a total mess. He weeded out the bad apples and got the program on the right course. In two years they were 17-12 and he was getting phone calls from East Carolina about their coaching job.

I will also say that I covered the ETSU-Appalachian State game in Boone in 1996-97 and the Appalachian State people on the media bench spoke of how well coached they thought ETSU was.

These were people who HAD Buzz Peterson in their fold- and they stated why they could see why ETSU picked DeChellis instead of Peterson.

2. That remains to be seen. I will say that DeChellis does have the chance to be a great coach and Peterson does not because Peterson has evidently relinquished his coaching duties.

If you feel Peterson's record was good- okay. There was an NCAA berth at Appalachian and he sports a lifetime winning record. You have an arguement.

But he wasn't great- and the job he did at any of his stops was not as good as what DeChellis did here.

3. Perhaps. It's a subjective arguement, though, and I'd rather have the bird in the hand than one- not even two but ONE in the bush.

You see where Derek Whittenburg and Jeff Lebo are today and perhaps they would have won here.

But if Buzz was 17-12 in his third year and East Carolina called- he's going to Greenville. His track record pretty much indicates that.

4. Let it GO!

Besides, this shows what a hypocrite you are.

You criticize Fry for not using the same criteria he used to hire Hamilton to hire DeChellis- WHATEVER THAT IS- and then you make FIVE POSTS ON OUR RECENT THREAD ABOUT PAUL HAMILTON SPEAKING ILL OF HAMILTON!

Or are you going to backtrack on this, too, and then say "Kye may have some eligibility left- poor Brevard" is not a criticism of Hamilton per se?

SO WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU WANT FRY TO USE THE SAME CRITERIA TO HIRE DeCHELLIS HE USED TO HIRE HAMILTON IF YOU DON'T THINK HAMILTON DID A GOOD JOB?

It's not only an exceedingly petty arguement, but IT MAKES NO SENSE!!!!!!!!

5. Can't you get ANYTHING right? The story I wrote- which is the reason why David Mullins won't credential me- is the one that got me my investigative reporting award from the Tennessee Sportswriters Association.

It was not about DeChellis getting the job- but rather the way Mullins and DeChellis covered up his interview- which included out and out lying to numerous sportswriters.

So PLEASE do not say I am a DeChellis shill- because I am the guy who gave him the GREATEST CRITICISM OF HIS CAREER!

6. Those were all original arguements. You going back on your word is not- as you will soon see.

By the way, Rod- who said THIS-

RodShaw2 Wrote:"Who gives a rat a$$ if the Bucs win 19-20 games in the A-Sun? Thats not a successful season more important to look at would be if we played in the SoCon, could we win 10>? 12? Bartow winning in the A-Sun isn't going to impress me with his coaching ability"

WHY- IT WAS YOU ROD! Yep- you made it on Dec. 14, 2006 in the thread "Will ETSU ever beat a great team again?"

So, let's talk about originality. Let's talk about it now.

What is so original about your posts? That you will backtrack continually and now even CHANGE YOUR MIND ABOUT THE JOB BARTOW IS DOING in your everlastingly futile attempts to challenge my points?

Or is it because Bartow won 22 games in the A-Sun and not 20 that makes all of his sins forgiven?

I haven't changed my mind about Bartow being a good coach, I recently made a post where I said a monkey could have coached his first year team to the NCAA in the Sonny Smith thread on 6/19/07. I even gave DeChellis credit in the same thread, something you say I have never done. What is backtracking about that?

Quote:Based on the facts that during a game Bartow seems clueless and has no idea how to make in game adjustments. If things aren't going right they aren't going to get any better.
You have to filter all of those "accomplishments" you listed though 2 facts, 1 year he was riding DeChellis's coattails, a monkey could have coached a team with that much talent. Bartow got out of the way and let them play. The rest he has done in the A-Sun., Big damn deal, if we play in the AAC or Peachbelt in a couple of years I bet we really dominate then!!!

My problem with Fry other then him being a cocky little bastard (Met him once, that was a enough, little mans syndrome big time) was the two faced nature of his hiring practices. If those are good enough reasons for hiring a football coach then why didn't the same hold true for basketball? It has nothing to do with the success or failure of the coaches involved but the reasoning behind Frys 2 decisions. I never thought Hamilton was a good coach, nice guy yeah good coach no.

As for that other post you ragged me on about spelling I went back and looked, I misspelled "usually" that's it, and no I didn't go back and try and edit it.

R

You're so cute when you're mad . . .

"You know Marky (sic- no comma) they have meds for Napoleon complex of yours. Of course the post count has gone up on this board since you came, (sic- comma where there should be a period) you have made 25% of the posts. (sic- what are you- the editor of Pendant Publishing? There should be an exclamation point here) The old board was on its last legs and people migrating to this one long before you showed up. You have done nothing to increase discussion about ETSU sports. Most of your posts (and the responses you get) have little or nothing to do with ETSU sports, which is the whole point of these boards. You try and use these boards as your own soapbox because you have been denied any legit platform for your so called journalism. Despite what you wish people to believe you are usaully your own worst enemy and caused most of your problems with your ego. You have little to contribute of real substance and are an entertaining diversion sometimes when things get slow. Most of the time you aren't even that, (sic- you need to put in a period and then start a new paragraph) you need to get a new act and material. You keep posting the same things over and over and are losing what little entertainment value you had, now you are just sounding shrill. I am here talk about ETSU sports not watch the Marky Marky (sic- you misspelled Marky Mark) and the Funky Bunch Show.
I am sure you will comeback with your standard attacks and responses, again try something NEW. But i (sic- the "i" should be capitalized) know you can't."

Please tell me you're not a grad of ETSU. Most professors would flunk you for that paragraph.

I realize we're casual here, and certainly we all make punctuation and spelling mistakes- but it's rather obvious you were so mad when you made that post you couldn't write properly.

Which is just what I said originally!

Pitt will you please diagram each sentence for us. I think what this board needs is a good English teacher. I expect you to show your work and go step by step.

31- Hey, he defended the paragraph to my criticism.

He defended- THAT PARAGRAPH.

Whatdya want me to say?

"Oh, sure Rod. Seven errors. Happens to all of us. My bad."

LOL CLASSIC! When you cant defend yourself, attack someone elses grammar! Pitt you are such a douche.