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<a href='http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html' target='_blank'>Swift Boat Vets for Truth ad</a>
08-05-2004 02:54 AM
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on the Paul Gallo radio show on supertalk mississippi this morning the MS Dem. Party leader said that this was all a lie, these guys never served with Kerry. Paul then basicaly called the MSDP chief a gullible moron .
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Vietnam vets escort Kerry home
Nedra Pickler, Associated Press
July 29, 2004 CARRI0729

BOSTON -- John Kerry promised "no retreat, no surrender" in his fight against President Bush during a homecoming steeped in the memory of his Vietnam War combat.

Escorted by 13 crew mates who fought alongside him in the Mekong Delta, Kerry road a water taxi across Boston Harbor. He saluted and waved to cheering supporters waiting in a drizzle at the Charlestown Navy Yard, Bruce Springsteen's "No Surrender" blasting on the speakers.

"Bruce Springsteen has it right. No retreat. No surrender. We are taking this fight to the country, and we are going to win back our democracy and our future," Kerry said.

In Vietnam, Kerry and his crew mates traveled on swift boats mounted with gun turrets. In Boston, they were on the Lulu E, a lumbering ferry decked out in red, white and blue bunting. The weapons were alongside -- manned machine guns protected the crew from Coast Guard speedboats in this first national political convention since the Sept. 11 attacks.

The band of brothers included 12 Navy veterans and Jim Rassmann, a Special Forces soldier whom Kerry rescued from the water during a gunfire attack. Kerry jokingly put a life jacket over Rassmann, saying although the Navy guys shouldn't need it, an Army man might need protection.

After a three-minute speech to supporters on the dock, Kerry headed to his Beacon Hill home for family time and work on his acceptance speech. He would only reveal to reporters that the speech will be a surprise.

"I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to my opportunity a little more than 24 hours from now to share with you and all of America a vision for how we're going to make this country stronger at home and respected in the world," Kerry said on the dock.

The speech is certain to remind voters of his service in Vietnam and try to convince them that he would be a better commander in chief. A dozen retired generals and admirals were making the same point Wednesday.

Retired Army Gen. John Shalikashvili, who served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under President Clinton, was addressing delegates. He was introduced by retired Lt. Gen. Claudia Kennedy, the only woman ever to become a three-star general in the Army.

Ten of 12 retired generals and admirals who are publicly backing Kerry appear in a convention video, expressing their concern with the current state of the military. And Kerry's crew mates say they are living proof that Kerry is an accomplished wartime leader.

"He made good decisions, I believe proper decisions," said Mike Medeiros of San Leandro, Calif., who served for four months on Kerry's swift boat in Vietnam. "And the fact that we all returned alive is a good indication that they were the right decisions."

Medeiros was reunited with Kerry in 1996, when Republicans were attacking his military record in a heated Senate race. Kerry's crew mates came to set the record straight at the Charlestown Navy Yard, the same place they stood shoulder-to-shoulder on the eve of his nomination acceptance.

"We're going to write the great next chapter of America's history together," Kerry said."

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One one hand you've got a handful of "vets" who want to make some money off their book, on the other hand you have a dozen generals and that many more crew members who support John Kerry.

Go out and buy the book, these guys want your money.



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08-05-2004 07:46 AM
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Yea, lets discredit the men who actually served with John Kerry and expose him for the fraud he is.

Typical democrat response.

BTW- Kerry went outside of his platoon for support to earn the purple heart.

Does that sound like a war hero to you?

5 medals in 4 months- RIGHT.

Keep the FRAUD out of office. NO JOHN KERRY.
08-05-2004 10:50 AM
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Here comes the spin from the democrats.

The Vets were there- Moore is a propogandist.

But, Moore is right, Vets are wrong :laugh:

Bush lied!! Bush is to blame for everything!! :cry: :cry:
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Yep, the embracers of Moore, Clarke, "Anonymous", and everyone else taking shots at President Bush are now screaming "dirty politics".

It's so pathetic, I don't even have the words to describe it.

Watch how these Swift Boat Vets are attacked - it won't be on the truthfulness of their statements, it will simply be called a dirty trick with no evidence or fact to back it up.
08-05-2004 11:25 AM
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BearcatCarl Wrote:Yep, the embracers of Moore, Clarke, "Anonymous", and everyone else taking shots at President Bush are now screaming "dirty politics".

It's so pathetic, I don't even have the words to describe it.

Watch how these Swift Boat Vets are attacked - it won't be on the truthfulness of their statements, it will simply be called a dirty trick with no evidence or fact to back it up.
Remember, these are the same democrats who put Michael Moore in the presidential box.

I, too, can't find the words to describe how hypocritical the liberal response is to this.

Perhaps the dems can pay off Moore to make another movie, only this time he creates his own facts (again) and links the Swift Boat Veterans to Al Quieda.
08-05-2004 11:58 AM
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NONE of the members of this sham organization served on the same boat with Kerry. Not one.

It's a political hatchet job funded by the Republican Party. Nothing more, nothing less.
08-05-2004 04:09 PM
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Papa Lou BSU Wrote:NONE of the members of this sham organization served on the same boat with Kerry. Not one.

It's a political hatchet job funded by the Republican Party. Nothing more, nothing less.
LOL.

I knew it!

I knew some big mouth liberal would say that the Republicans launched this campaign.

Note- The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were founded in the 70's. They've been campaigning against the likes of John Kerry, and specifically John Kerry for a LONG time now.

So, your little conpiracy theory is crushed.

BTW- Sometimes in combat, troops actually mingle together, since they weren't always on their boat. You know, they actually combine divisions.

Leave it to Papa Lou to inform us about the book before it's even released.
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Papa Lou BSU Wrote:NONE of the members of this sham organization served on the same boat with Kerry. Not one.

It's a political hatchet job funded by the Republican Party. Nothing more, nothing less.
John McCain, who knows something about the extremes people will go to in getting their candidate elected, is calling the ad "dishonest and dishonorable."

He's also asked your pious White House to condemn it. They declined.

<a href='http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040805_1092.html' target='_blank'>http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap2004...40805_1092.html</a>
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Socko Wiethe Wrote:
Papa Lou BSU Wrote:NONE of the members of this sham organization served on the same boat with Kerry. Not one.

It's a political hatchet job funded by the Republican Party. Nothing more, nothing less.
John McCain, who knows something about the extremes people will go to in getting their candidate elected, is calling the ad "dishonest and dishonorable."

He's also asked your pious White House to condemn it. They declined.

<a href='http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040805_1092.html' target='_blank'>http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap2004...40805_1092.html</a>
The White House neither supports it nor condemns it.

And, why the hell should they?

Did any democratic leadership denounce the Michael Moore movie? NO- in fact, they invited him to their convention.

Atleast these Veterans have some credibility since they were ACTUALLY IN VIETNAM, something Moore can't claim-credibility.

Please, don't even bring that point up again.
08-05-2004 04:30 PM
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From Media Matters...

Quote:Submerging the truth about Swift Boat Vets on Hannity & Colmes, Scarborough Country

FOX News Channel's Hannity & Colmes and MSNBC's Scarborough Country both gave free airtime on August 4 to a new, misleading ad sponsored by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a recently formed group dedicated to attacking Senator John Kerry's record during and after his service in Vietnam. Both programs devoted segments to the ad, airing it the day before its scheduled release, but left out key facts that discredit Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

In an August 5 interview with the Associated Press, Senator John McCain (R-AZ), "a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called the ad criticizing John Kerry's military service 'dishonest and dishonorable' and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well."

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth did not serve alongside Kerry

In the new ad, members of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth claim that they "served with John Kerry." Hannity & Colmes co-host Sean Hannity echoed the false claim, saying that the veterans in the ad are "the people that know him best," and referred to them as "some of his fellow crewmates." Even Pat Halpin, who was filling in for co-host Alan Colmes, called them "some of John Kerry's crewmates." Scarborough echoed Swift Boat Veterans' misleading claim that they "served with John Kerry in Vietnam."

While the veterans attacking Kerry in the ad are veterans of the Vietnam War and may have served at the same time as Kerry, as The New York Times reported on August 5, the Kerry campaign noted that "none of the men had actually served on the Swift boats that Mr. Kerry commanded." Adm. Roy F. Hoffman, one of the veterans in the ad, has even "acknowledged he had no first-hand knowledge to discredit Kerry's claims to valor," the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported on May 7, "and said that although Kerry was under his command, he really didn't know Kerry much personally."

In contrast, many of the veterans who have appeared on the campaign trail with Kerry did serve alongside him. The Wall Street Journal's Albert R. Hunt noted in his August 5 "Campaign Journal" column, titled "Sham Charges Against a War Hero" (subscription required): "Indeed, 10 of the 11 men who served on his two swift boats all have sworn by John Kerry; nine living members were in Boston [for the Democratic National Convention]."

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth's Republican ties

As Media Matters for America previously noted, on May 4, Salon.com's Joe Conason detailed Swift Boat Veterans for Truth's ties to the Republican Party. In addition to pointing out that the group's founder, John O'Neill, has long-standing ties to the GOP that can be traced back to the Nixon administration, Conason also reported that among the people behind Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is "veteran corporate media consultant and Texas Republican activist Merrie Spaeth, who is listed as the group's media contact."

As MMFA has documented, both Hannity & Colmes co-host Alan Colmes (on May 28) and FOX chief political correspondent Carl Cameron (on May 4) reported the group's Republican ties on FOX News Channel; on May 4, Scarborough mentioned criticism of O'Neill's "dirty tricks" for the Nixon administration. While Scarborough did mention on August 4 that the group was part of the "Republican counteroffensive" "prepar[ing] to release blistering attacks in John Kerry's Vietnam record," Hannity completely ignored the group's ties to the GOP.

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth doctor did not sign Kerry's medical record

Neither Hannity nor Scarborough bothered to note that Dr. Louis Letson, who is featured in the ad claiming to have treated Kerry for the wound that earned him his first Purple Heart and claiming that it was undeserved, was not the medical official who signed Kerry's medical records for the wound. The Kerry campaign noted this fact in a report in The New York Times and a report in the Los Angeles Times that surfaced when Letson first unleashed this attack in May.

In criticizing the ad, McCain told the Associated Press, "'It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me'... referring to his [McCain's] bitter Republican primary fight with President Bush," according to the AP. As Conason reported on May 4, "The 'swift boat' veterans attacking John Kerry's war record are led by veteran right-wing operatives using the same vicious techniques they used against John McCain four years ago." Conason explained that Spaeth (the group's media contact) participated during the 2000 Republican primary contest in TV ads that "falsely attack[ed]" McCain's environmental record in California, New York, and Ohio.
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Wow...SALON.COM reported it? Then it HAS to be true!

Keep shoveling, fellas...you're only drumming up interest in the organization and the book...which will lead to a thorough investigation of the Kerry record...and we all know what happens after that.

Do you really want to go down this road?
08-05-2004 05:34 PM
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Plus, if they're making it up, they can be sued for libel/slander, and all will be well with the world.

Isn't that what we got from you guys after the Clarke book, the Moore movie, et al?

Doesn't feel too good to be on the defensive, does it?

Quid pro Quo, baby. 03-razz
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If this is false, why did the Kerry adviser say

"They hired a godd**n private investigator to dig up trash!" charged a top Kerry adviser traveling with the senator late Tuesday. "This is pay for play... How low can they go?"

If the supposed facts are false, then why did the adviser go nuts when it was brought up?

George W. Bush isn't going to run this kind of ad, he's already said so, which is why you won't hear Bush saying "I'm George W. Bush and I support this ad" but Kerry will be getting the same kind of ads from groups like Moveon.org and other groups full of liberal freaks.
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BearcatCarl Wrote:Plus, if they're making it up, they can be sued for libel/slander, and all will be well with the world.

Isn't that what we got from you guys after the Clarke book, the Moore movie, et al?

Doesn't feel too good to be on the defensive, does it?

Quid pro Quo, baby. 03-razz
The fact that John McCain has entered this fray should mean something to you all, but your too wrapped up in partisan fervor.

This kind of activity is bad for both campaigns, and it's terrible for the country. Plus, if the consultants are to be believed, it turns off the undecided voters, so it's not exactly the smartest tactic to engage in.

But I suppose if playing defense is your liability, you might as well try offense.
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Socko Wiethe Wrote:
BearcatCarl Wrote:Plus, if they're making it up, they can be sued for libel/slander, and all will be well with the world.

Isn't that what we got from you guys after the Clarke book, the Moore movie, et al?

Doesn't feel too good to be on the defensive, does it?

Quid pro Quo, baby.&nbsp; 03-razz
The fact that John McCain has entered this fray should mean something to you all, but your too wrapped up in partisan fervor.

This kind of activity is bad for both campaigns, and it's terrible for the country. Plus, if the consultants are to be believed, it turns off the undecided voters, so it's not exactly the smartest tactic to engage in.

But I suppose if playing defense is your liability, you might as well try offense.
I'm currently looking for a Socko post similar to the above one, but in reference to the hollywood tripe and 527 invective directed at GW Bush. Given the eloquence and non-partisanship of his post, I'm assuming he similarly condemned the Moore movie, Al Gore's "brownshirts" commentary and Ozzy Ozbourne putting up shots of Hitler with our President during his rock concerts.

I'm still looking, Socko...where is it?

:rolleyes:

But WE'RE the ones blinded by partisanship.

Quid. Pro. Quo.
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It's really dumb for the Bush campaign to run an ad that has anything to do with military service.

Since he can't prove his.

Really dumb.

Somebody might call him on it.
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It's good that Pres. Bush isn't the one who put out the ad then, huh?
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Not a good way to help then.

If the Bush campaign didn't OK that ad I bet they are in spin city right now.
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