I believe Greg Johnson was a Senior on the 1997 team but I am not 100% about that because that was 10 years ago but I think he was on it because I know that team was very talented on the receiver end.

I'll give you this for Hamilton to go 6-5 or 5-5 in his final season was accomplishment for all that was going on, however in his first season he had a ton of talent and a legitimate playoff team and could only win 7 games and I see that as a sorry coaching job.

He had Littleman Stewart and Joey Kent.

I don't think the cupboard was bare.

Bottom line is that Hamilton was a bad coach and Cavan was greatness. Cavan probably could have coached the basketball team and succeeded to. He was just that great.

I have been a supporter of both Cavan and Hamilton.

But you are overrating Cavan and underrating Hamilton.

I mean that last statement was so ludicrous, I'm don't think I need to say anything else.

I may be overrating Cavan but I really don't think I am underrating Hamilton, the guy seriously had a total of four plays in his playbook that he used over and over. He has to be one of the worst play callers in college football history. It's pretty bad when you center your offense around the QB draw.

There were more than four plays in Hamilton's book, but supposedly Vince Lombardi had only six plays in his book.

I'm sure there were variations off the six plays, but, just so you know, Lombardi turned out okay.

But can someone please explain to me how a Mike Cavan fan can use Hamilton's Elon tenure as a reason he was a poor coach.

I want it said I am a Mike Cavan fan and pushed for his return to ETSU in a fundraising capacity, and still do.

But how in the world can anyone in good conscience say Hamilton is a poor coach and use Elon as an example after the egg Cavan laid at SMU.

At least Hamilton didn't leave with the program on probation!

The amazing thing is this thread is up to 27 posts, originally asking if the rumor that Jerry Falwell requested a limo for the '85 Liberty-ETSU game but couldn't get one- and yet all we've done is discuss Cavan vs. Hamilton.

I can use 1 simple fact that in my mind makes him a poor coach regardless of his wins and losses. He put starting his son getting to start at QB over the what was really good for the team at Elon and wouldn't change it no matter how much evidence kept piling up his son wasn't up to the job. If he was that blinded when it came to who was really the right person to start at the most important position in football than he was/is a BAD coach, period.

Quote:If he was that blinded when it came to who was really the right person to start at the most important position in football than he was/is a BAD coach, period.

EXACTLY!

Who was the backup you wanted to play ahead of Kye?

By the way, Kye is a friend of the board and a former poster during the SoConHoops days.

So what was Kye's nickname on the Soconhoops board?? I hope he let his Dad in on some of the criticism that took place on that board on the way he coached the football team. But by the looks of it he didn't because during the last season of football he was still basing his offense around the QB draw and running straight up the middle. Paul was also still having trouble getting a play in before the play clock ran out as well. That usually happened 3 or 4 times during a game.

Paul Hamilton: Worst coach in ETSU history. Thanks for all the bad memories Paul!

PittsburghBucs Wrote:Who was the backup you wanted to play ahead of Kye?

By the way, Kye is a friend of the board and a former poster during the SoConHoops days.

Wes Pope, who proved to be at least 2x the QB daddy's boy was when the new coach gave him a fair chance and didn't shove him into the TE role so sonny boy could play QB.
Pope threw for more yards and TD's in his 1 year as a starter then Hamilton did in his 2 years not to mention fewer INT's. Hamilton couldn't even break a QB rating of 100 either season, Pope had 126.1 rating last year. I also think Elon averaged about 80 more total yard of total offense in 2006 vs 2005.

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Rod- I'll take your word on the Elon thing. I really don't think the job he did or didn't do at Elon has anything to do with the job he did at ETSU. It's like a Chiefs fan telling me Hank Stram was garbage because of the job he did with the Saints.

But Nuck- to call Hamilton the worst coach in ETSU history tells me you have no idea what happened prior to 1992.

AND WON'T SOMEONE TELL ME IF FALWELL GOT HIS DAMN LIMO IN '85????????

Oh I remember ETSU prior to 1992 they went 1-10 in 1991, then Cavan came in and re-built the team to go 10-3 and a 1-AA playoff birth. Then goofy Hamilton came in and destroyed everything that Cavan built and shortly after many Hamilton screw ups football was canceled. Thanks Paul...both of ya.

You know, you are really revealing yourself as a true idiot.

I want you to research the history.

I want you to tell me in the history of ETSU football how many coaches had winning records in the majority of their seasons.

Hint- Cavan ain't in that club. Neither is John Robert Bell or Mike Ayers.

For Hamilton to be able to do that with them taking scholarships away from him is amazing.

Really neither is Hamilton if you treat him like you do the basketball team which is take away each division 2 victory. Instead of 6-5 every year it should be 5-5.

But speaking of actual candidates for "All Time Bad ETSU Coaches,"

Anyone know what car dealer Roy Fraizer worked for after his tenure at ETSU ended?

Come on Pitt you are avoiding my question. Why are you so intent on taking away non-division 1 wins from the basketball team but not Hamilton? By your logic with the basketball team loser Hamilton only had one winning season which was 6-4 in 1997. Other than that best Hamilton could ever do is 5-5. The loser only had one winning season and he NEVER made the playoffs. Cavan did. So please tell me with one winning season and no playoff births how Hamilton was so good to you?