You're absolutely right. Stan Hill won't be going to O town and beating the Knights. It will be Gochneaur(pronounced goke ner).
Don't worry, after he puts up 400 yards and 4 TDs on the Knights, you'll know how to say his name.


If destination was the primary choice then OSU and Michigan should not even have good players. Or ND, PennSt, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas.............need I go on.
My point is...........It is about the coaching staff, program,winning tradition,championships,NFL draft picks,Heisman candidates, Offense and defense style.............not just destination.
But hey, say whatever makes ya feel good. All I know is my team does their talking on the field.
Maybe next year Knights. Maybe next year.

UCF99 Wrote:Herdon says "we always reload at the skill positions". Funny saying that while recruiting these gentleman you cheated. UCF had the #1 recruiting class in the conference last season (not cheating) and will most likely do so this year. Whether you like it or not, Orlando is a much more desirable place to live than in a backwoods homer town like Huntington. Sunny Florida by Disney or backwoods in West Virginia? Better athletes will continue to come to UCF and your high and mighty attitude will change when we are consistantly beating your A$$. Stan Hill will not come here to O-town and beat the Golden Knights, I'm not a gambling man but I would be on that.

Not to say Marshall isn't capable of contending for the MAC East year in and out, it will be very difficult for Moo to continue to provide grade A milk for the rest of the MAC. Moo simply can't bring in the talent of a UCF or an NIU even.

KC

Projected 2003 Preseason:

East

1. Miami
2. Marshall
3. Central Florida
4. Ohio
5. Akron
6. Buffalo
7. Kent

West

1. Northern Illinois
2. Toledo
3. Bowling Green
4. Western Michigan
5. Ball State
6. Central Michigan
7. Eastern Michigan

I would project it a little different:

EAST
1. Miami
2. UCF
3. Marshall (vs Toledo @ UCF and @ Miami makes the Herd 5-3 in the MAC)
4. Ohio
5. Akron
6. Kent State
7. Buffalo

WEST
1. Toledo
2. BGSU
3. NIU
4. CMU
5. WMU
6. Ball State
7. EMU

Knightshift,

What do you expect from a guy whose user title is "2002 MAC Champs"?

I will say this though. UCF returns a lot of really good people on defense and a good core on offense. For Coach K's sake they need to win the MAC title and represent the MAC well in OOC. Another season like this and he better be gone. Orsini means business. Captain Kirk got the message loud and clear and it seems he has the Hoops Knights playing pretty damn good. I hope Kruz gets it. It would be a shame to see him go after almost two decades here, but tough $hit.

As for Marshall and their reloading. They may very well reload because the nonqualifier/paid to play pipeline isn't dried up just yet. I wouldn't even be surprised if a QB other than Stan Hill won the starting job next year. Stan Hill played well against Miami, but that's not saying much considering their secondary (with little help from the defensive line) was absolutely attrocious and was the worse in the MAC this year. I noticed that in the next two games he was basically the handoff to the running back QB or running QB (running seems to be a common theme with him). Why weren't the coaches more confident with him throwing against say Ohio (who didn't have a weak secondary like Miami)?

Anyway, hopefully Steven Moffett signs with us this February so we can finally have a real QB (since Daunte) and have hope for '04. I'm tired of these system QBs with no arm strength and marginal accuracy. Fountain, Kruz and co can recruit their a$$es off. Too bad we didn't do so well on the recruiting trail in '98 and '99. Oh what could have been.


and Herd it wuz,

"If destination was the primary choice then OSU and Michigan should not even have good players. Or ND, PennSt, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas.............need I go on."

Those schools are generally the flagship institutions -- have nice huge campuses, they play in huge packed stadiums and they are in the big conferences. It's kinda like why WVU will always outrecruit you. They don't have a better location, but they have more to offer. Shame on you for listing Texas, Austin is a great city ... someone told you wrong. Happy Valley is a college town all the way and real good for parties etc. ND gets players because they are ND and that campus is a top Indiana tourist destination for a reason. But, when they were struggling some of the really elite players that were on their board cited the fact that they were located in South Bend as a reason for not going there. Actually, even when they weren't struggling players stated that as a reason. I remember Dan Kendra (remember that PA all-world QB?) said he picked FSU over ND because South Bend sucked (not the exact word). Columbus and AA aren't bad either. I went to Huntington this year and it wasn't all that great. No real good parties, etc. The girls weren't that hot ... I did see a couple hotties though, but not enough.

hashmander Wrote:I remember Dan Kendra (remember that PA all-world QB?) said he picked FSU over ND because South Bend sucked (not the exact word).

Kendra verbally committed to Penn State and backed out because Bowden and Kendra's father were tight, from what I can recall................

Like I said before................
Whatever makes ya feel better. More power to ya.

My team does their talking on the field. :D

There is a reason a team wins year in and year out. And no, it is not because of cheating.

You Knight fans have a good program to build on but you keep predicting big things for them and setting yourself up for failure.

UCF should of just concentrated on playing their first year in the MAC and at the end of the year evaluate the conference and conference play to see where their recruiting needs should be and offensive and defensive upgrades/changes needed.
Instead, UCF totally embarrasses themselves with all the crazy statements made by their coach, their big wigs, their players, and most importantly their fans. And because of all the prediction failures, UCF's 7-5 with a 6-2 MAC record is looked at as a bad thing instead of a good thing.
And here we are once again hearing the same predictions from the same fans. Yes I think UCF will be the team to beat 2003. But I also think Miami will be the team to beat. And I think MU will be the team to beat. So that means that 3 "teams to beat" will be beating up on each other. And add to that a much improved Ohio team that will have a true throwing QB in Ryan Hawk. Like I said before, nobody comes out the EAST unscathed.
The EAST winner will have 2 MAC losses next year.
EAST
UCF 8-4
MUg 8-4
MUr 7-5
OU 7-5
*Noticed I put UCF on top to make ya happy and what it feels like when your team is on top. :D
But seriously, now, the teams are not my prediction, I am predicting that the records will be that but the 4 teams will be in different places. Mark my words, Ohio will have a say in the EAST next year(that means I am predicting that Ohio knocks 1 or 2 of the top3 off).
So you shouldn't be worried about having Miami/Marshall at Home. You need to be worried about playing Ohio in ATHENS. hint hint

The bottom line here is:

Next year, UCF, Miami, and Marshall (and quite possibly Ohio OR Akron) will duke it out for the east.

Ohio - Long shot due to games on the road against Marshall and Akron (and I don't know about the OOD team) They have to improve their run defense and get a passing game)

Miami - Good road team, but must improve O Line and secondary...Still a contender. They have road games at UCF and OHIO.

UCF - Have to say that UCF has the inside track (home games against the Herd and Miami). They also have quite a few returning starters. They finished strong this year which should carry into next year. However, they still will get everyone's "A" game. This year has seemed to have little effect insofar as their cockiness, but all good teams have swagger.

Marshall - This will truly be a reloading year. The Herd has 3 very capable quarterbacks waiting in the wings to take over the reins. Stan IS a good passer who adjusted to Pruett's game plan for Ball U and Ohio. If the run works, why not use it??? Marshall will be losing some O-Linemen, BUT the backups have gotten extensive PT this year, so look for that to be more of a non-factor. Also, the Herd Defense (1st in the MAC) returns 8 (I think) starters. So look for the D to be better next year. If the Herd is to win the East next year, it MUST play well the whole season. Road games against Miami, UCF, and Western will be HUGE.

East:

1) UCF/Miami/Marshall (5-3) with the tie break going to the Herd

My reasoning is that the Herd has always found a way to win, and until they're knocked off, they are the favorite...

4) Akron (4-4)
5) Ohio (4-4) A loss to Akron this year puts the Bobs in 5th...
6) Kent (2-6)
7) Buffalo (1-7) Again...to the cellar.


Just my thoughts.



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THUNDERstruck73 Wrote:The bottom line here is:

Next year, UCF, Miami, and Marshall (and quite possibly Ohio OR Akron) will duke it out for the east.

Ohio - Long shot due to games on the road against Marshall and Miami (and I don't know about the OOD team) They have to improve their run defense and get a passing game)

Miami - Good road team, but must improve O Line and secondary...Still a contender. They have road games at UCF and OHIO.

UCF - Have to say that UCF has the inside track (home games against the Herd and Miami). They also have quite a few returning starters. They finished strong this year which should carry into next year. However, they still will get everyone's "A" game. This year has seemed to have little effect insofar as their cockiness, but all good teams have swagger.

Marshall - This will truly be a reloading year. The Herd has 3 very capable quarterbacks waiting in the wings to take over the reins. Stan IS a good passer who adjusted to Pruett's game plan for Ball U and Ohio. If the run works, why not use it??? Marshall will be losing some O-Linemen, BUT the backups have gotten extensive PT this year, so look for that to be more of a non-factor. Also, the Herd Defense (1st in the MAC) returns 8 (I think) starters. So look for the D to be better next year. If the Herd is to win the East next year, it MUST play well the whole season. Road games against Miami, UCF, and Western will be HUGE.

East:

1) UCF/Miami/Marshall (6-3) with the tie break going to the Herd

My reasoning is that the Herd has always found a way to win, and until they're knocked off, they are the favorite...

4) Akron (5-4)
5) Ohio (4-5) A loss to Akron this year puts the Bobs in 5th...
6) Kent (2-7)
7) Buffalo (1-8) Again...to the cellar.


Just my thoughts.

You are a genius Thunder. First you have Ohio playing on the road at Miami in 2003. We played MOH on the road in 2002. Are we playing a 2 for 1 against MOH now? Then all your predictions are predicated on a 9 game MAC conference schedule. 6-3, 1-8, 4-5 does it make any sense.

KC

Hmm, now that you mention it....No, it doesn't...

I meant Akron in lieu of Miami...

And I suppose I had a brain fart when I didn't take into account that 7 MAC teams in a division = 6 games, not 7...

But the point was not so much about the records as it was about where they would finish...

And I'll ignore the genius remark because after much of what you post, it is painfully obvious that you are not even remotely qualified enough to make comments about my intellectual abilities/shortcomings or what have you.

THUNDERstruck73 Wrote:And I'll ignore the genius remark because after much of what you post, it is painfully obvious that you are not even remotely qualified enough to make comments about my intellectual abilities/shortcomings or what have you.

Do I need a PhD in putdowns? How do you know I don't have one? :D

KC

Another thing we all better recognize is Buffalo's young team.
They got a freshman RB by the name of Aaron Leeper(sp?) who CFN put on a list of FUTURE PRO PROSPECTS.
That got me checking out there roster. They have alot of freshman and sophmores.
They will be a little better next year and could win 4 MAC games. The key word is "could".
But in 2004, the Bulls will be a legitimate(sp?) MAC contender. I know that sounds ridiculous, but I think they are on their way up. Hell, there is no place for them to go but up.
Just watch how that Leeper kid performs 2003.
Just some food for thought.

It's kinda hard to imagine Buffalo a winning team huh??

FtLauderdaleRocket Wrote:

hashmander Wrote:I remember Dan Kendra (remember that PA all-world QB?) said he picked FSU over ND because South Bend sucked (not the exact word).

Kendra verbally committed to Penn State and backed out because Bowden and Kendra's father were tight, from what I can recall................

well obviously those weren't the only two schools in contention, but he did visit Notre Dame late and he did make the comment about South Bend.

HERD-it-wuz-DJ Wrote:Like I said before................
Whatever makes ya feel better. More power to ya.

My team does their talking on the field. :D

There is a reason a team wins year in and year out. And no, it is not because of cheating.

You Knight fans have a good program to build on but you keep predicting big things for them and setting yourself up for failure.

UCF should of just concentrated on playing their first year in the MAC and at the end of the year evaluate the conference and conference play to see where their recruiting needs should be and offensive and defensive upgrades/changes needed.
Instead, UCF totally embarrasses themselves with all the crazy statements made by their coach, their big wigs, their players, and most importantly their fans. And because of all the prediction failures, UCF's 7-5 with a 6-2 MAC record is looked at as a bad thing instead of a good thing.
And here we are once again hearing the same predictions from the same fans. Yes I think UCF will be the team to beat 2003. But I also think Miami will be the team to beat. And I think MU will be the team to beat. So that means that 3 "teams to beat" will be beating up on each other. And add to that a much improved Ohio team that will have a true throwing QB in Ryan Hawk. Like I said before, nobody comes out the EAST unscathed.
The EAST winner will have 2 MAC losses next year.
EAST
UCF 8-4
MUg 8-4
MUr 7-5
OU 7-5
*Noticed I put UCF on top to make ya happy and what it feels like when your team is on top. :D
But seriously, now, the teams are not my prediction, I am predicting that the records will be that but the 4 teams will be in different places. Mark my words, Ohio will have a say in the EAST next year(that means I am predicting that Ohio knocks 1 or 2 of the top3 off).
So you shouldn't be worried about having Miami/Marshall at Home. You need to be worried about playing Ohio in ATHENS. hint hint

I'm not setting myself up for anything. I'm sitting back and waiting to see what kind of team we'll have next year. If they aren't good then I want the coach fired.

"There is a reason a team wins year in and year out. And no, it is not because of cheating."

don't flatter yourself.

and genius our players didn't say ANYTHING. The only thing you people harp on that's factual is the AD talking about finding an all-sports home in a BCS conference in the future and our prez saying Midwest Conference.

and who are these same fans?

Finally, why should we worry about Ohio in Athens? We play them on October 11th. I'm more worried about Kent State and Akron on the road in November.

UCF99
I'll take the backwoods anyday. I've been to 5 countries and almost every state in the Union and you couldn't pay me to live in Fla? Where are you from anyway...Panama City?

What's wrong with Florida? Beaches, women, and warm weather. O.k, maybe avoid Tampa Bay.

There's nothing wrong with it. You can get used to the heat I suppose...beaches would be cool. I'm married so I have a lady.
I couldn't hunt if i lived there. Deer in Fla look like collies. :saber:

I don't know anything about hunting, but the fishing is good down here.

Like I said before, keep looking over them bobkitties in Athens. As a Marshall fan I know that them darn bobkitties have a mean bite when they want to fight.
UCF will find out next year what it is like to travel to the middle of nowhere and get beat by OU.

I hope your team doesn't think like you hashmander