Maybe a MAC fan here could go over to the C-USA forum and post the following poll:

How many "C-USA" fans here believe Marshall cheats and recruits morons who could not get in a real university.

1. YES: __
2. NO: __

Then all the MAC fans here can go over there and vote.:D

I liked the added competition (in the past, not so much of late), but will not miss their a-hole fans.....

bronco67 Wrote:Maybe a MAC fan here could go over to the C-USA forum and post the following poll:

How many "C-USA" fans here believe Marshall cheats and recruits morons who could not get in a real university.

1. YES: __
2. NO: __

Then all the MAC fans here can go over there and vote.:D

BTW, would anyone here like to predict how Kit-Cat would vote? :D

bronco67 Wrote:Maybe a MAC fan here could go over to the C-USA forum and post the following poll:

How many "C-USA" fans here believe Marshall cheats and recruits morons who could not get in a real university.

1. YES: __
2. NO: __

Then all the MAC fans here can go over there and vote.:D

that post would be deleted or moved in about 10 seconds.

I will be honest and say that I will miss the MARSHALL/TOLEDO matchups.

I was hoping that Toledo would have went to CUSA as well.

Sure, Marshall has always wanted in another more southern conference but there was no option there until the ACC raided the BE and started the domino effect.
Had that not happened, MU would still be in the MAC.

I have seen some teams really step it up since 1997.
NIU and BGSU come to mind.

The gameday showcase was awesome for the league in terms of exposure.

I don't think the MAC will miss a beat on the field. But I do see some of the same attendance problems causing problems for the MAC.

Thanks MAC for giving Marshall a home to build itself up.

DJdaHERDfan73 Wrote:I will be honest and say that I will miss the MARSHALL/TOLEDO matchups.

I was hoping that Toledo would have went to CUSA as well.

Sure, Marshall has always wanted in another more southern conference but there was no option there until the ACC raided the BE and started the domino effect.
Had that not happened, MU would still be in the MAC.

I have seen some teams really step it up since 1997.
NIU and BGSU come to mind.

The gameday showcase was awesome for the league in terms of exposure.

I don't think the MAC will miss a beat on the field. But I do see some of the same attendance problems causing problems for the MAC.

Thanks MAC for giving Marshall a home to build itself up.

Very classy post

DJdaHERDfan73 Wrote:I will be honest and say that I will miss the MARSHALL/TOLEDO matchups.

I was hoping that Toledo would have went to CUSA as well.

Sure, Marshall has always wanted in another more southern conference but there was no option there until the ACC raided the BE and started the domino effect.
Had that not happened, MU would still be in the MAC.

I have seen some teams really step it up since 1997.
NIU and BGSU come to mind.

The gameday showcase was awesome for the league in terms of exposure.

I don't think the MAC will miss a beat on the field. But I do see some of the same attendance problems causing problems for the MAC.

Thanks MAC for giving Marshall a home to build itself up.

Hell has frozen over. A Turd fan posting a positive remark in regards to the MAC. :eek:

msopher Wrote:

DJdaHERDfan73 Wrote:I will be honest and say that I will miss the MARSHALL/TOLEDO matchups.

I was hoping that Toledo would have went to CUSA as well.

Sure, Marshall has always wanted in another more southern conference but there was no option there until the ACC raided the BE and started the domino effect.
Had that not happened, MU would still be in the MAC.

I have seen some teams really step it up since 1997.
NIU and BGSU come to mind.

The gameday showcase was awesome for the league in terms of exposure.

I don't think the MAC will miss a beat on the field. But I do see some of the same attendance problems causing problems for the MAC.

Thanks MAC for giving Marshall a home to build itself up.

Hell has frozen over. A Turd fan posting a positive remark in regards to the MAC. :eek:

Too bad for DJ, he will now be banned from all Marshall boards...

MadEagle Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:

MadEagle Wrote:I can see where any of you would get mad at the fans for talking sh!t about your conference now that they are out of it. So I really dont blame you their at all. We fans of C-USA have to hear that same sh!t from Louisville fans who's football team had a great season this year but also had a 1-10 season in 98.

Marshall fans were talking ****** when they were in the MAC too. It's a little different than what C-USA has seen with the defecting schools.

No really its not Louisville fans have always thought their program was Gods Gift to college football. Now to the fan who said i implied the MAC was not sh!t before Marshall came into the league show me where I put that in any of my post. Yes the MAC has a history but the league didnt get as noticed as it did after Marshall came back into it. I mean Kit-Kat went as far as to say you're league was boring. That was far worse than anything I said. But I can see where he would say that. I dont remember to many MAC games being on tv before Marshall came into the league. And my responce to the Northern Illinois fan you can say what you want but the fact of the matter is that in the history of college football teams build to beat the champions of their conference. And Marshall dominated the MAC in the late 90's early 2000's and if I am correct you recruited Micheal Turner and your other top running backs during that time period. So to say you did not recruit to beat Marshall would be very comical.

NIU didn't start improving their recruiting until they started beating teams like Wake Forest, Alabama, Maryland, etc. etc. I don't remember any recruits saying they went to NIU to play Marshall. When NIU was losing most of its games, they would hardly play Marshall unless they won the division and got to the MACC - not real likely at that point, and still not a reality. If anything, they came to NIU to beat Toledo. At least Toledo wins without cheating (except, of course, for fake punt plays )

NIU007 Wrote:And my responce to the Northern Illinois fan you can say what you want but the fact of the matter is that in the history of college football teams build to beat the champions of their conference. And Marshall dominated the MAC in the late 90's early 2000's and if I am correct you recruited Micheal Turner and your other top running backs during that time period. So to say you did not recruit to beat Marshall would be very comical.

Since reentering the MAC, NIU has recruited to defeat Toledo, Bowling Green and Western Michigan. These schools have been the dominant teams in the MAC West, a division we have yet to win. Besides, in the eight years that NIU and Marshall were together in the MAC we only played each other twice, the last time being in 2001. We have such little history with the Herd, its hard to fathom that we would build a team for the sole purpose of defeating them.

MadEagle Wrote:I mean Kit-Kat went as far as to say you're league was boring. That was far worse than anything I said. But I can see where he would say that.

BTW, we're terribly sorry, but using Kit-Cat as a source invokes our own local version of Godwin's Law. You'll have to try a new argument on a different day.

First all I didnt know Kit-Kat was such a fan favorite when i came over here. I dont normally come over here to the MAC boards I just wanted to know how most of you felt about the Marshall Program. Now you can remind me all you want about the MAC having a couple of Top 25 finishes before Marshall came into the league the fact of the matter is that after they came into the league they simply dominated it, Toledo iand Miami Ohio are about the only teams, Well maybe Bowling Green can say something to because they have had success against Marshall but as far anyone else Marshall normally put you in your place. I am not trying to offend nobody by saying that but its truth.

MadEagle Wrote:First all I didnt know Kit-Kat was such a fan favorite when i came over here. I dont normally come over here to the MAC boards I just wanted to know how most of you felt about the Marshall Program. Now you can remind me all you want about the MAC having a couple of Top 25 finishes before Marshall came into the league the fact of the matter is that after they came into the league they simply dominated it, Toledo iand Miami Ohio are about the only teams, Well maybe Bowling Green can say something to because they have had success against Marshall but as far anyone else Marshall normally put you in your place. I am not trying to offend nobody by saying that but its truth.

I said Marshall added spice to a boring league.....but it was a league that is much better than people used to give it credit for. Marshall fans think they saved the conference from 1-AA extinction well that is hardly the case.

Most of the MAC started pumping a lot more money into football in the early 90's with facility upgrades before Marshall came on board and the fruit began to bear itself with CMU, BG, and Toledo all having strong programs in the early 90's with OHIO, WMU and Miami coming on strong during the late 90's And now NIU and Akron are building powerhouses in this league.

I think Marshall held some of the MAC schools back more then helping the league. I know they cost OHIO a MAC Championship in 1997 when we were 8-2 heading into the final week and they upset us.

MadEagle Wrote:I just wanted to know how most of you felt about the Marshall Program. 

What I am about to say is no slam on Marshall, but it is how I view their situation. They have a rabid following and great facilities. The are dedicated to win championships. All these things are great, however, what really seperates Marshall from a team like OU, WMU, etc. from a competitive standpoint is the fact that Marshall coaches have more recruiting freedom than any other school in the MAC. They take tons of props as well as transfers from other 1A universities who were thrown off their original team for transgressions with the law and team rules. In general, they take athletes most other schools in the MAC would not touch. It is no coincidence that their recent decline has coincided with their inability to recruit these types of players due to their NCAA penalties. Now this is not cheating, it is perfectly allowable under NCAA rules so I have no problem with them doing it, however, most other schools in the MAC aren't willing to take those types "student athletes." This explains Marshall's championships as much as anything else.

MadEagle Wrote:the fact of the matter is that after they came into the league they simply dominated it

Listening to Hurd fans may not be the best place to get your "facts." :rolleyes:

The fact of the matter is that they never won a championship that they didn't host. Another fact is that they cheated to even get to the game. When the MAC took away their self-hosted Championship game, and the NCAA made them stop the most blatant cheating, they became just another middle-of-the-pack, easy win for the Toledo's, BG's, NIU's and Miami's of the league.

I can't wait to hear your opinion of your new best friends in a couple of years.

I do indeed, as a big fan of MTB in the 70's I saw them in concert many times....the times have changed though and southern rock has morphed into country pop...

oops you meant Marshall University....hell no...good riddens.

Kit-Cat Wrote:

MadEagle Wrote:First all I didnt know Kit-Kat was such a fan favorite when i came over here.  I dont normally come over here to the MAC boards I just wanted to know how most of you felt about the Marshall Program. Now you can remind me all you want about the MAC having a couple of Top 25 finishes before Marshall came into the league the fact of the matter is that after they came into the league they simply dominated it, Toledo iand Miami Ohio are about the only teams, Well maybe  Bowling Green can say something to because they have had  success against Marshall but as far anyone else Marshall normally put you in your place. I am not trying to offend nobody by saying that but its truth.

I said Marshall added spice to a boring league.....but it was a league that is much better than people used to give it credit for. Marshall fans think they saved the conference from 1-AA extinction well that is hardly the case.

Most of the MAC started pumping a lot more money into football in the early 90's with facility upgrades before Marshall came on board and the fruit began to bear itself with CMU, BG, and Toledo all having strong programs in the early 90's with OHIO, WMU and Miami coming on strong during the late 90's And now NIU and Akron are building powerhouses in this league.

I think Marshall held some of the MAC schools back more then helping the league. I know they cost OHIO a MAC Championship in 1997 when we were 8-2 heading into the final week and they upset us.

I would hardly call that 27-0 win in Huntington an upset. You all had 63 total yards and 1 first down the entire game...and it was a 33 yard run and your fullback got gang-tackled at the end of it even.

However, that was an excellant Ohio U team that just did not play well that day...it a rainy evening in Huntington...I remember it pretty well. The next year, OU played very well at home and had Marshall down early before MU came back and got a win in Pedan Stadium. The best defensive performance I've ever seen out of Marshall was in 97 though. I also remember Randy Moss throwing season tying TD catch #22 out of the stadium and into the McDonald's parking lot. They actually painted a dot on the lot with a small sign about the ball landing there until they repaved the lot a couple of years later.

ThunderingHerdFan Wrote:

Kit-Cat Wrote:

MadEagle Wrote:First all I didnt know Kit-Kat was such a fan favorite when i came over here.  I dont normally come over here to the MAC boards I just wanted to know how most of you felt about the Marshall Program. Now you can remind me all you want about the MAC having a couple of Top 25 finishes before Marshall came into the league the fact of the matter is that after they came into the league they simply dominated it, Toledo iand Miami Ohio are about the only teams, Well maybe  Bowling Green can say something to because they have had  success against Marshall but as far anyone else Marshall normally put you in your place. I am not trying to offend nobody by saying that but its truth.

I said Marshall added spice to a boring league.....but it was a league that is much better than people used to give it credit for. Marshall fans think they saved the conference from 1-AA extinction well that is hardly the case.

Most of the MAC started pumping a lot more money into football in the early 90's with facility upgrades before Marshall came on board and the fruit began to bear itself with CMU, BG, and Toledo all having strong programs in the early 90's with OHIO, WMU and Miami coming on strong during the late 90's And now NIU and Akron are building powerhouses in this league.

I think Marshall held some of the MAC schools back more then helping the league. I know they cost OHIO a MAC Championship in 1997 when we were 8-2 heading into the final week and they upset us.

I would hardly call that 27-0 win in Huntington an upset. You all had 63 total yards and 1 first down the entire game...and it was a 33 yard run and your fullback got gang-tackled at the end of it even.

However, that was an excellant Ohio U team that just did not play well that day...it a rainy evening in Huntington...I remember it pretty well. The next year, OU played very well at home and had Marshall down early before MU came back and got a win in Pedan Stadium. The best defensive performance I've ever seen out of Marshall was in 97 though. I also remember Randy Moss throwing season tying TD catch #22 out of the stadium and into the McDonald's parking lot. They actually painted a dot on the lot with a small sign about the ball landing there until they repaved the lot a couple of years later.

27-0 can be an upset. A ranked and 8-0 Toledo team went to Muncie in 1998 and lost to Ball State 31-3. That was an upset. What's the difference?

How many votes do MAC fans feel can safely be deducted from this poll due to them coming from, um, elsewhere? I'm thinking maybe all but three or four.

The difference is that Marshall was 8-2 coming into that game...unlike Ball State who struggled. Marshall beating Ohio being an upset in the same breath as Ball State beating Toledo? Come on...you know there is a difference. That's like me saying Western Michigan upset Marshall 30-10 in Huntington in 2000. They were simply the better team at that point in the season. We got them when it mattered though.