(10-07-2017 12:07 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  You didn't jump to far as far as ideology Stink. The Methodist isn't very much different than the Catholic church other than the Methodists don't follow the Pope.

Christians (well most anyway) don't think of non-believers as inferior. I don't. I think of them as losing out on salvation which comes through Christ's dying on the cross for ALL OF US. It's a concept that non-believers can't grasp. They can't understand how a man-God could save everyone by going to his death as the lamb goes to his without a fight. It was written centuries before in Isaiah 53 (Torah) that he would die for us. It's incredible that even though it was written in the Jewish scriptures and is very obvious who that verse was referring to that even some (most) Jews don't want to accept it. There's many other verses in the Torah that point to Jesus as the Savior but again they skip its message.

The Bible is unchanging and after more than 2000 years there have been people who wanted to destroy its message have not been able to and will not be able to. So your thinking that it will change one day is questionable if not ludicrous.

There's a joke where someone wrote on a bathroom stall, "God is dead, signed Nietzsche". Underneath someone wrote "Nietzsche is dead, signed God". That pretty much sums it up.

It's not that non-believers can't grasp that concept. It's merely that they (and billions of other people) don't believe it to be true. More to the point, it has nothing to do with the question of morality. That is a religious concept, not a moral one.

The Bible may be unchanging (if you don't count the numerous different translations as "changing"). And, if you don't count the ways in which the New Testament is believed by Christians to supercede the Old Testament. But concepts of morality are constantly changing. All morality is a function of time and location. What is moral to a person in Afghanistan may not be moral to one in Alabama, and vice versa. What was viewed as moral in the American south for hundreds of years is no longer viewed that way.