(12-30-2013 07:13 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 11:46 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-29-2013 11:03 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 01:30 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-28-2013 12:53 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  ACC would be best served kicking out a few schools. Boston College, Pitt, Syracuse, and Wake Forest can go and the ACC would be stronger.

PRESENT
SU - 4-4 ACC record and a bowl win (7-6 overall)
BC - 4-4 ACC record (7-5 record) bowl appearance pending
Pitt - 3-5 ACC record and a bowl win (7-6 overall)

FUTURE
All three are young teams with new coaches (Pitt's just finished his 2nd year whereas BC and SU have coaches that just finished/are in their 1st)

PAST
All three have Heisman winners, undefeated seasons, and 2/3 have at least one NC (Pitt has 9). Beyond that, Pitt and SU are two of the most storied programs of all time (both in the top 20 in all time wins, and both have post season awards named after their alumni)

INTANGIBLES
Pitt, SU, and BC all have great academics, and where NY and New England has weak recruiting, western PA and Ohio is excellent. However, SU athletics are a revenue goldmine (it will be about 3rd in the ACC after FSU and UL) and SU gets very solid overall ratings. 2/3 of those schools bring their own bowl (Pinstripe - SU and Detroit - Pitt), and SU and Pitt have elite basketball programs (SU also has an elite lacrosse program, which matters in the ACC).

Are you sure those are the schools that you want to cut?

EDIT: FWIW, BC and WF also have more ACC championship game appearances than UNC and Miami, and BC has as many as Clemson (WF has as many wins as Clemson).

Don't take it as disrespect to fans of those schools. I just dont think they move the meter at all and don't bring much to the table. Pitt is lucky to bring 20k to a game, syracuse plays in a basketball arena, Wake is a small private school in a redundant market, and BC is in a recruiting wasteland.

No. Syracuse plays basketball in a football stadium, Pitt's average attendance is north of 40k, and BC has fielded a very successful program for quite some time. The Eagles can't be in THAT bad of a recruiting wasteland. Beyond that, Syracuse also tends to get pretty decent ratings, and BC and Pitt were instrumental in getting a scheduling agreement with ND. I can't tell if you're trying to troll or just terribly misinformed.

I guess. It's just my opinion, I don't think those four schools really add a whole lot. Their traditions carry them a lot

Pitt sells 40k tickets, lets not confuse that with people actually going to the game.

And how many Pitt games have you been to the last decade that allow you to make such a statement?